so 629 usd for 200gh at 170 watts   plus a psu and a raspberry pi

so if I let you send me one of your raspberry pi's you will program it?

it looks like nice gear for watt use.  but a preorder and the price just don't work.

I can do a host  for 1th dragon miner for 2860 with paypal and hash today.

Isn't a competitive price for 1TH $2,500? And a good price for 1 TH $2,000? 3,500 is really high.

That's kinda subjective! A real measurement in dB would be nice, a video of the measurement even better!!

Noncetech check your PMs

"There exists a minimum order quantity for ASICs (from Bitmine) that we purchase, so the minimum amount of rigs for the first batch pre-order is 60 mining cards.
If payments for the mininum amount of rigs is not achieved within a certain period of time, the batch will be cancelled and payments are refunded in full to the customers.
Pre-ordering is open for exactly one week, so that production may start for the ordered products (if enough orders were made). This is to ensure that customers will get their products on time.
We will limit the amount of pre-orders to 240 mining cards to ensure that the production is not encumbered and that the products will ship at the required time."

This mean You just now wait for the pre orders money to buy ..... a chips ? And if there will be not 240 orders, you just cancel  and refund after 30 days ?

I went to check out Noncetech's beta miners in Helsinki today, generally speaking I liked what I saw, I admit I'm not a Bitcoin miner expert but I have some general knowledge about electronics and Bitcoin mining. I started mining scrypt coins about a year ago and I have read a lot of articles about Bitcon mining and mining hardware in the last year. I would say I have pretty good picture about Bitcoin mining in general.

The whole team was there, the coder, hardware guy and the economics guy, everyone seemed to know their stuff pretty well. Also one of the guys has a Chinese origin and speaks Chinese which I would say is a good advantage when you do business with Chinese subcontractors, for the assembly of the miners and so on. All the guys were friendly and in my opinion "down to earth" and none of them were full of themselves. Well that may yet change when they get filthy rich selling all those miners to us, I noticed money can do strange things to good people, I just hope they get rich, and don't turn into the dark side after that... I liked their team and wouldn't mind doing business with them.

They set up 2 miners at the occasion, one was their first test miner the other was one of the "beta" miners. The hardware setup seemed quite basic, just plug in the cables and boot the RasPi, the software side was not not yet that simple, their drivers for cgminer was not yet completely finished, so they needed to manually input some commands ( setting the voltage to the chips ) to the RasPi before starting cgminer.

Their web interface for the miner was not yet finished, so I just got a look at the page layout for the interface. The driver part that controls the fan speed on the miner was not yet fully programmed so the fans were on full speed all the time, and those small fans are quite noisy.

The miners was running in "Turbo" mode hashing around 250GH/s or more correctly they showed in cgminer as 2 x 125GH/s per card, 2 hashing blocks per card. One miner showed a little more HW errors than the others, that was the original first test miner the built, on the "Beta" miners they had made some hardware modifications on the Pcb, and it had less HW errors or none. We calculated the percentage of the HW errors on the original test miner, but stupid me cant remember the exact number, but it was low. As a scrypt miner with Gpu's I'm used to 0 HW errors, if I have HW errors I re tune my rigs so they go away, I was assured that Bitcoin mining with Asic's will produce some HW errors and thats normal.

The components on the Pcb's are of high quality, all critical components are made in USA or Japan, this is for stability and long life of the miner, I agree with the choice for a little more expensive components, as for me a miner has to be production grade, I don't have time to baby sit my miners, they should work 24/7/365.

One thing that I didn't get to see in the 3h visit I made to Noncetech is the chassis for the miners, they have not yet got that from the producer. Well I of course wonder how hot will the chassis get on the inside, with 4 cards running in "Turbo" mode producing 1000w of heat, and 2x120mm fans to get that heat out from there.

I'm no expert, but I don't see any major issues with Noncetech getting their miner shipped within a reasonable time after the Pre-orders start, there is some coding to do, but I would say that the coding is not a big issue. I was told that they have the "assembly line" all ready arranged with a Chinese subcontractor, and they are going to China to oversee the assembly and shipping of the miners. One thing that comes to mind is the chassis, if it needs total redesign, that could cause a small delay. Another thing that they have not done yet is a long term stress test, running a miner more than a day or two, now that I think of it, I should have volunteered to do a 3 week stress test on some of their miners, I'm sure my scrypt rigs wouldn't mind the noise in the garage...

Ok, I wont bore you guys any more today..

Best of luck to Noncetech launch today