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This is old news, scandal ongoing since 2010. But I want to raise awareness, for people to know how far secret police can go to infiltrate you. Undercovers may literally screw you to get inside you, and penetrate your political group. Maybe they propose marriage to you. Maybe you even have their babies - as they are secretly spying on you, looking for some way to arrest you!

No matter if you agree or not with these political activist groups in these cases, there's only one word for what the police did: Crime. Heinous, shocking to the conscience. Maybe done to you tomorrow. Undercover police are very dangerous, most places in the world (not only UK).

There is a Wikipedia article about this (current version):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_undercover_policing_relationships_scandal

Some clippings from only a few of many articles in mainstream media, over the years:






Search the web for many other articles, in many newspapers, or check Wikipedia sources.

IMO these "police" should all be in prison for first degree rape, and their bosses with them as accessories to rape.

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Take some lesson from this. Whether you are left wing or right wing, male or female, doesn't matter. If you do only legal activity, also doesn't matter. What matters is if you dissent from very narrow range of officially accepted opinions.

If undercover police want to get you, they abuse every trust and human relationship. Nothing is sacred.


DON'T be paranoid, but DO be vigilant.

Are you accusing Edward Snowden and Glen Greenwald of having made an April Fool's joke?

There is a reason why I opened with documented facts. Not speculation or Internet navel-gazing.


You omitted this:

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Why yes, because the best way to present important information is to avoid attention. Attention is the last thing I want for the message.

And I am obviously not trying to get pay attention to me. I am good enough at that otherwise, thank you very much. For the privilege of covering up my name so as to focus on the message, I paid >0.002 BTC to set up a throwaway account where I can post images... then deliberately mangled what I said with the style of at least 3 well-known users. I think this message is very important.


Try striking a balance. See OP for suggestions how.


Intelligence (and counterintelligence) work, and also ordinary police-detective work, operate on the balance of probabilities in the face of intentional deception and concealment of evidence. I am very sorry that I could not deliver an extended lesson on that in a "TL;DR" megapost that nobody would read. I want to raise awareness, make people think. Foolish of me, perhaps; but I've got to try.

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Yes, that happens; and the Snowden dump of the information in OP's quoted article also happened. But the evidence is rarely so clear-cut. Rather than tilting at windmills and searching for THE TRUTH, I suggest the practical, intentionally quite general advice in OP.

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Kicking around on the Internets, I have been accused of being a CIA pro troll, an NSA hacker, an FBI agent, a Mossad agent, an FSB agent, and a few dozen others. Well, being accused of being Nullius and/or following him? Most evil of all, LOL! (Cue accusations of being other users whom I believe are being targeted...)

Stop looking for names, and take the advice in OP about words and actions, what people reveal about their goals, etc.

The fact that I could create a "bitcointalk.org u=2778290" userid (self-signed by the primary key, with the signature's embedded creation time) proves everything that a signed "I am bitcointalk.org u=2778290" statement could, at the time of initial publication of the key. That is the reason for self-signatures on userids... a point that most people miss. Please learn how PGP works before explaining it to others.


Thanks.

Said in a post that exemplifies the worst negative stereotypes about Jewish thought and behavior, almost to the point of caricature. The irony is unintentional, I am sure.


So, so, so... you are making a thoroughly subjective argument (hypocritically merited +3 by the self-appointed grand poobah of the "Objective Standards Guild"). The whole basis of your argument is your own inner experience of "I basically am a jew".

And that basis assumes facts not in evidence. Your whole life story and your allegations of your identity are not amenable to proof on the Internet. Even upon looking for subtle shibboleths of your alleged Jewishness, the only thing I find is your consistency with negative stereotypes. Including extreme "cunning", to the degree of playing both sides of the table to the detriment of both, to your own gain (as I will show presently). That takes chutzpah, in the negative sense.

Well, I will presume true your statements about your identity, for the sake of argument. Let's play that way... Like a nice Jewish lawyer, yes?

Thereupon, I will declare same to be inadmissible as irrelevant. Let's be objective: An argument about the nature of Jews (and by implication, about Jewish Questions) must be acceptable on its merits, regardless of whether the argument is offered by a Jew or a Gentile.


Then why did you mention it here? Rationally, objectively setting aside any of my own potential biases, I see two possibilities:

1. You are admittedly "just weak" and "you can't handle it":


Yes, yes, but instead of "running to others" for protection when you present what I will assume to be a putatively good, but very unpopular argument, you hide behind your alleged Jewishness.  ...or,

2. You are just another self-hating Jew. Those are a dime a dozen, because Jews always love a good deal! Nothing new... check out the history of the 19th century debates on assimilation. So, so, you will show how much you objectively despise Jews, and thus absolve yourself of the stink of Jewishness. Out, out, damned spot!

#1 and #2 are not mutually exclusive; and both are options whether your arguments are objectively correct, or objectively incorrect... you're just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

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Do you want to contradict me? Tuches oifn tish, stop trying to be a token Jew for others based on the cheapest form of identity-politics, make an objectively correct argument against Jews, defend anybody's free-speech right to say it...


...defend "a lot of truth in race-realism" and "the actual truth of the world" on their merits, and also defend anybody's free-speech right to toss about racial slurs in a jovial manner... instead of mimicking a race realist, then jumping to the other side of the table and laying bait for you and your apparent buddy TECHSHARE to troll others into exactly the type of Internet flamewar where you can smear them no matter what they say. Based on a twisted guilt-by-association with somebody who is alleged to be insufficiently racist (!?), it seems. (I advise others to ignore: Don't take the bait.)

Or else, in Internet parlance, STFU one microsecond after you admit that your personal argument, presented by you as an individual, is not immune to criticism on the basis of "I have a hell of a lot of jewish blood in me". (Yeah, because everybody knows, Jews can say things about Jews that would get anybody else crucified, right?)

But if you do want to support objective arguments about Jews, you may want to first try remediating your ignorance about Jewish things, for example:


The Law of Return is not the same as the halakha, as you are referring to. If you are going to opine about Jews, you should at least learn the basics about Jewish issues.

(Really. Personally, subjectively, the thing I find most annoying about most antisemites is their almost comical incomprehension of all things Jewish.)

Notwithstanding that point, I did notice that you somehow managed to pick Purim (sundown 2020-03-09 to sundown 2020-03-10) for vicious, two-faced, simultaneously antisemitic and petty-personal-grudge trolling that amounts to a Chillul Hashem, if you believe in that (given that you are purporting to speak from a Jewish perspective, and thus as a representative of G-d) or if you don't, is still an insult to the memory of your alleged great-grandmother and great-great grandmother.

Purim, of all days. Are you are trying to bait the conspiracy theorists, too? Or are you just fighting for Haman?

My forum uid is bound in a userid. No need for a separate signed statement.

While I am at it, here are some additional hash commitments:


Please quote & archive. Thanks.

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This is a thread made to fight back against a growing mess that I believe is probably professionally manipulated. Of course, I expect interference. I will be accordingly ruthless in moderating this thread. No apologies.

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None of your business. I am anonymous.

If you support me, I encourage you to NOT merit my posts, green-trust me, or even talk to me too much. (If you have evidence or something important to say, please feel free to post it; but talk to the public and not to me, to the extent that can be done without looking awkward.) Obviously, people will be suspicious that this is an alt account. If you make it look like you're trying avoid violating merit/trust community standards, and even feel self-conscious about sockpuppet discussions ("talking to yourself"), then you can be part of my anonymity set!

If you support me, also feel free to "admit" to any accusations that I'm your alt. Not as a serious claim, but in an "I am Sparticus!" way. My identity is secured by a PGP key; and unless a digitally signed statement (or the revelation of a hash-committed preimage, etc.) says otherwise, only this account can speak for me. But I don't mind if people give a "sure, it's my account... so what?" sarcastic answer to this sort of question. If you don't want to say that, then just say that you neither confirm nor deny.

Sorry but not, I will not do PMs. Anybody who has evidence or tips is encouraged to send me an encrypted PM with that. But it's way too easy to leak personal info when drawn into a personal discussion. If you send me something good, presume my thanks. In almost no conceivable circumstance will I ever reply to a PM with this account... I prefer to keep discussions public. Thanks.

Real apologies if things are a bit messy. In some points, I try to copy styles of well known users; in others, I dumb myself down a bit. Then I change it around. Got to keep things interesting.

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Topic title says it. Out of many articles that have been written about this subject in the years before and since, this is still one of the best:


I encourage you to read the whole thing, then do more research on this important practical subject!

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Why am I bringing this up? Obviously, the Reputation forum (and Meta) are mass-chaos lately. It's that... and more:

• I noticed that certain users have been recently targeted with increased intensity by trolls who seek to destroy their reputations. They are exactly the types of users one would expect to be targeted by intelligence agencies and other mass-manipulators: High-visibility, principled, doing a lot of work to contribute to the community (some of them doing it for free, with no paid signature), sterling reputations for honesty and integrity.
• I noticed an ongoing persistent smear campaign against ChipMixer: A privacy site, which is certainly not beloved by the types of entities discussed in the above article.

I had been growing suspicious that there was more to this recent trollfest than meets the eye. Then, I saw two of the most astute users on the forum, o_e_l_e_o and actmyname, point out to others that widespread assumptions about the identities of various sockpuppet accounts are probably incorrect. Note that neither o_e_l_e_o nor actmyname said what I am saying here! What they said was purely negative. It just tended to mesh with suspicions that I already had, and made me take a closer look...

I may discuss all this in more detail on this thread. Maybe. But let's start with that, and then some general practical advice.

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DON'T	be paranoid. Paranoia paralyzes. Paranoia is a mind-killer. Mass-manipulators deliberately sow paranoia amongst those they wish to neutralize, and in particular, among political activists. There is a world of difference between prudence and paranoia. But on the other hand, "just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you..."
DON'T	make incautious accusations that your personal enemies are alphabet-soup agents. It makes your adversaries too powerful when you accidentally label some basement-dwelling idiot as an intelligence agency operative. It also makes you look like a fool.
DON'T	be stupid. Sorry, it's as simple as that... not simple at all. I could write a very long post with lots of advice, which few would read. If you care about your bitcoins, your reputation, and your sanity, you should probably read some guides (especially, activism guides) to how to avoid tricks and traps on the Internet.
DO	be aware that on any Internet forum dealing with hot issues, you will encounter parties with ulterior motives. Most of all the Bitcoin Forum, where money, power, and politics all intersect. I would assume the presence of everything and anything from intelligence agency plants, to garden-variety police informers, to paid shills for various large or small commercial interests... even for "nonprofits", maybe. Anybody with an agenda! Although this isn't the highest-traffic site (nothing compared to the major social media sites), its topic is Bitcoin; and it attracts a high concentration of intelligent people who have strong political opinions. Do the math.
DO	be objective. I mean, truly objective (not as that word is being abused around here lately). This is not a matter of "fairness," but self-protection. Evaluate and re-evaluate your own trust decisions based on an objective (re-)appraisal of those you trust, and those you distrust, without being blinded by personal feelings. This is not to be hardhearted, much less to show your virtue. It is to protect yourself from being emotionally manipulated and deceived.
DO	look to actions and results, not mere words. Many people talk about "freedom," "honesty," "community," etc. Do a person's actions consistently tend toward results that produce the stated goals? Or is that person a hypocrite who is playing you? Be wise also that this cuts both ways. Some people have personalities that make them unpopular for some reason or another, but they care about helping people and doing the right thing... they're just not people-pleasers flashing around flattering smiles. Any which way, look for concrete indicia of what a person's real goals are.
DON'T	get demoralized. There are good people out there. There are good people on this forum. You want to connect with them, while avoiding the ones who aren't good at all. If you forget the good people and get depressed by all the jerks, then who wins?
DO	remember that things are not what they seem. It's an old truism that on the Internet, anybody could be a dog. You have no idea who (or what) is behind a screen name. Don't get hung up on this... but do take things for what they're worth.
DON'T	be a dupe. I surmise that the professional manipulators get great mileage out of obsessive trolls, greedy bounty-chasers, and random idiots. It makes their job easier. If they want to make a wreck of the forum, they really don't need to do too much themselves... they just need to play to the weaknesses of people who have bad intentions anyway.
DO	keep doing Bitcoin!