You did the best you could do under the circumstances. What cannot be denied is that you took a huge casino to court and stood your ground, that alone deserves respect because you believed in something and you did not back down. The only thing to do now is wait until 2nd June. They’ve absolutely delayed it the most they can, they couldn’t have done any better job. But this is the last hearing before the final judgement. We still don’t know if they (or I) would appeal though. Apparently AntillePhone asked for hearings, didn’t know that was possible at this stage, but let’s see what happens. For sure though they won’t be able to delay their judgement when it comes to sending them to hell. |
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Just came across this topic by mistake… OP, I think I’ll have the most useful post for you, and you can check my thread about the FortuneJack and you’ll understand.
And this is the point : just forget about your money, you’ve been involved with the wrong people. They can’t make a living other than by dirty money, and chances are their highest executives read in books that consider all people except themselves slaves. The only joy is that once they enter hell they’re never going to get out again
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This seems to be good news as least to the extent that a date for 2nd June has been fixed for the next hearing. Th part I cannot understand is when are matters supposed to progress beyond hearings to the final judgment. I am not a legal expert but it does seem as though the process is taking too long. Yes on 2nd of June AntillePhone will reply (they were co-defendants with FortuneJack), and then comes the final order to pay. They’ve absolutely delayed it the most they can, they couldn’t have done any better job. But this is the last hearing before the final judgement. We still don’t know if they (or I) would appeal though. |
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If the amount calculated was correct and confirmed by FortuneJack, that is positive news as any dispute by them would only have added more time to this matter before getting resolved. I suppose it is one less matter to contend with. Did the judge indicate what will happen in court on 2nd June? Yes, but it was postponed again as usual, to 2nd of June. Fortunejack used this hearing to confirm the amount we calculated that was correct. For questions on the process please ask them here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5449674.200This is more for the scam accusation. Yes on 2nd of June AntillePhone will reply (they were co-defendants with FortuneJack), and then comes the final order to pay. |
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Is there another court hearing on that date? No they’ll have to respond on May 5 Yes, but it was postponed again as usual, to 2nd of June. Fortunejack used this hearing to confirm the amount we calculated that was correct. For questions on the process please ask them here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5449674.200This is more for the scam accusation. |
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Are there any updates regarding the case? I have a judgment against @Fortunejack for unpaid winnings exceeding 100,000 dollars. No they’ll have to respond on May 5 In my opinion, all casinos without an English license can be classified as scams! But this does not mean that they will deceive everyone. If a casino license is a significant factor for you to register, then a Curacao license is an empty phrase!
But in this example we can see that there are still at least some opportunities.
Dear PaperWallet, could you create a separate topic on the forum in which you would share your experience!? I would ask you to describe your path that reached the court. .1 Finding lawyers 2. How much did it all cost 3. Is your personal presence necessary 4. The necessary evidence, without which there is no point in contacting lawyers. 5. Perhaps some other features of the case that you encountered?
At the moment, a lot of players are brazenly deprived of their winnings. This can be from 100 to 5000 dollars. For such amounts, no one will start legal proceedings in another country. But maybe with your experience it will be possible to create collective complaints and remote review!?
Also, are there any international legal institutions that listen to negative experiences/suggestions of players in order to regulate the casino market?
I would be grateful for your comment.
Yes I shared my experience here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5368279.msg58302543#msg58302543If you’d like the photos back, comment on that thread and soon enough I’ll bring them back (they were part of an obsolete system) For legal counsel, check SBGOK online and you’ll find all of the answers you’re looking for |
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So for me personally, I've resolved never to have anything to do with fortunejack even after this whole issue seems to be over, it still won't trust fj.
Of course that is common sense. A lot of people though don’t have common sense and some businesses still run because of this. Bernie Madoff was able to scam his customers for decades, so being here for 10 years as they boast about it means nothing |
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I'm pretty sure he wasn’t referring to that specific lawsuit but rather lawsuits in general for different issues. I need to file one too, check your DMs when you have a moment.
He was answering my statement. I said Stake has a much much larger number of players yet no one sued them because of unpaid winnings. Up until now, he is still unable to give one example. Ok I will check my DM Yea and I'm pretty sure he can't give a single example anyways because Stake won't let that happen. There might be other lawsuits but probably one or two if not any lawsuits in terms of unpaid winnings. In any case let us know about your process with FortuneJack. This thread is very interesting to follow! You have to be pretty naive to think no court cases have been filed against Stake. All the big casinos have lawsuits filed against them. Curacao has even changed the rules so that cases are now heard by the ADR to keep from going to court. They may even pass a law stopping cases from going to court. In Curacao, under the old system, the governor handed out the gambling licenses. Huge casinos such as Stake launder an insane amount of money through banks in Curacao. There is no way that Stake was going to lose any lawsuits. Things have changed because of those such as SBKOG filing for transparency. The FATF has threatened to blacklist Curacao causing a change in laws LOK. The old system of Master License holders no longer exist. They are trying to cut down all the corruption in Curacao because so much gambling money goes through Curacao and it's good for business as well as the country. You’ve still didn’t give a single example of a lawsuit against Stake for unpaid winnings, which was my initial assertion. Of course lots of people can file lawsuits for anything they want. |
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April’s fools? Anyhow, was a pleasure playing with you @theymos today, but in all seriousness it would have been a good thing if those corrupt members in charge of the merit system are out. Check my last thread created and you’ll see how little merit I got for giving evidence of a court judgement against one of your forum members.
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I'm pretty sure he wasn’t referring to that specific lawsuit but rather lawsuits in general for different issues. I need to file one too, check your DMs when you have a moment.
He was answering my statement. I said Stake has a much much larger number of players yet no one sued them because of unpaid winnings. Up until now, he is still unable to give one example. Ok I will check my DM |
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You are correct, apologies, I read it but I thought they were talking about the judgement made 24th February, but yes indeed they were referring to a later hearing date on march 24, I just learned this:) What happened in the hearing that took place on 24th March 2025? My lawyer submitted the document which illustrates how much is the remaining unpaid winnings, about 88,000 euros. I mentioned it here for details about lawsuit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5449674.200Now they’ll have to respond only if the amount is correct in about 4 weeks approximately. The case is still under review by the competent court. Out of three claims, the court dismissed two claims made by the Claimant and stated that Fortunejack's terms and conditions were validly applied.
You should just pay the remaining, incorrectly voided bet now. We all saw the court documents and how Bet #3 wasn't considered a duplicate bet by the highest authority there is in this largely unregulated space. You shouldn't have to wait to see if there is some final technicality you can slip in to avoid having to pay OP what is due to them; especially when the right thing to do is more obvious in this case compared to most others. They should have paid 3 years ago. Now that the court has decided, they should pay now of course as well with an excuse. Going to court is not supposed to be the way you get paid your winnings but by clicking on « withdraw » on their website. Stake for example is a much much larger website, yet no one sued them because of unpaid winnings. There are a lot of lawsuits vs. Stake. Really? Lots of lawsuits against Stake for unpaid winnings? Then you must be able to give us at least one example. I am pretty positive Stake pay all their winners and don’t have such a thing |
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My lawyer has submitted to the court today the document that calculates the amount that has been stolen to be returned, which is 92,408.17 euros, minus the bet amount 4,657.67 that they have already refunded.
Stolen funds are more, though I might not appeal due to extremely long delays for much smaller amounts.
What happened with fj casino changing location of registration country, and can they still escape paying you this amount? I think they should not be allowed to escape justice, but I didnt see anyone from their team ever explaining this situation in bitcointalk forum. It's to make their actual location difficult to know. This is one of the issues with many of the online businesses these days, especially in the industry with weak regulation, they can change address very fast and even cause some people to waste their money and time locating them. Well, justice is smarter than that, investigators should be able to get the right location. About the payment, I think the court should decide that. But I only fear for the online businesses, they own the platform, so they can do and undo. You know what that means!  Just feels like poor quality AI |
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My lawyer has submitted to the court today the document that calculates the amount that has been stolen to be returned, which is 92,408.17 euros, minus the bet amount 4,657.67 that they have already refunded.
Stolen funds are more, though I might not appeal due to extremely long delays for much smaller amounts.
What happened with fj casino changing location of registration country, and can they still escape paying you this amount? I think they should not be allowed to escape justice, but I didnt see anyone from their team ever explaining this situation in bitcointalk forum. They explained it long and large for 2 years in court, I don’t think they should be allowed to explain it forever, now the judgement is out. Stake for example is a much much larger website, maybe 100 times more customers, yet no one sues them because of unpaid winnings. I do not know if they can escape or not in this life, but I’m 100% certain they’re not escaping Almighty Jesus Christ in the afterlife. |
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You are correct, apologies, I read it but I thought they were talking about the judgement made 24th February, but yes indeed they were referring to a later hearing date on march 24, I just learned this:) What happened in the hearing that took place on 24th March 2025? My lawyer submitted the document which illustrates how much is the remaining unpaid winnings, about 88,000 euros. I mentioned it here for details about lawsuit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5449674.200Now they’ll have to respond only if the amount is correct in about 4 weeks approximately. The case is still under review by the competent court. Out of three claims, the court dismissed two claims made by the Claimant and stated that Fortunejack's terms and conditions were validly applied.
You should just pay the remaining, incorrectly voided bet now. We all saw the court documents and how Bet #3 wasn't considered a duplicate bet by the highest authority there is in this largely unregulated space. You shouldn't have to wait to see if there is some final technicality you can slip in to avoid having to pay OP what is due to them; especially when the right thing to do is more obvious in this case compared to most others. They should have paid 3 years ago. Now that the court has decided, they should pay now of course as well with an excuse. Going to court is not supposed to be the way you get paid your winnings but by clicking on « withdraw » on their website. Stake for example is a much much larger website, yet no one sued them because of unpaid winnings. |
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Hi, uhh... sorry, I keep skipping through your thread for the past few days. I promise you that it was not intentional. I think I read somewhere that ADante will try to address the matter, though he'll need time to study the case and get into it as it was way before his time. I was waiting for him to jump in.
Please allow me to nudge him and see where he is in his attempt to catch up with this situation and hopefully I can bring him to comment here?
There is no need, someone else did long before you do, and they’ve had more than 2 years to settle their case, so now you can just leave it alone, thanks for the thought anyway |
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My lawyer has submitted to the court today the document that calculates the amount that has been stolen to be returned, which is 92,408.17 euros, minus the bet amount 4,657.67 that they have already refunded. Stolen funds are more, though I might not appeal due to extremely long delays for much smaller amounts. You can see the judgement against them and support the flag here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5534261.msg65132998#msg65132998 |
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I have to give you credit for what you have achieved. Taking a huge online casino to court and winning was something that required a lot of patience and mental strength to get through the hard days. The fact you won your case is a stunning achievement. Thank you You created this thread on 5th March therefore expecting FortuneJack to post within 21 days should suffice. That means if they do not post here by 26th March I will support the flag. Considering the judgement was made in your favour on 24th February 2025, it has given them substantial time to prepare a response. And they’ve had 2 years to tell the court everything they wanted, and delayed the legal process as much as legally possible, even sometimes their lawyers crying to get some extra time which was not supposed to be given to them. I understand regardless of what they might post, it cannot negate any court judgement against them unless there is an appeal. I would like to see them post about the matter in great detail because of what is at stake and I believe they will. If we reach 26th March or at any stage it becomes clear they will not appeal the judgement or are unable to because they cancelled their Curacao licence or the appeal time limit has expired, I will support the flag and then address it if/when FortuneJack post regarding the case.
It’s pretty clear yes, and some decency now for them is to present some excuses at least. I will remind you on the 27th if necessary:) |
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Lots of reputable accounts read the evidence and still not supported the flag (and that is, only talking about those who commented here). Maybe they’re waiting for the final order to pay by the court and see if they’ll pay or not. Nonetheless, these are still unpaid winnings from 3 years ago and deserve a flag…
OK, I'm inclined to agree with you at this point. One of your bets was incorrectly voided and you should have been paid for it. Plus them leaving Curacao for some country nobody has ever heard of is a big red flag. Once the final court order has been made, post it here (please don't alter the text except for blacking out your personal information) and I will support your flag. You will need a net 3 DT members to support the flag for it to be visible on their threads. I will send you a private message when out, so you don’t have to follow this thread. Another member @JollyGood, has also expressed interest in supporting the flag so I will send him a private message as well. And everyone else here who commented I’ll pin when the order to pay is uploaded in my OP. |
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