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Apparently so. Or some other shoe is going to drop any minute now.
"Rosebud" |
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Totally evil. Police will no longer be required to make an arrest before seizing crypto from a suspect. What ever happened to due process and the assumption of innocence until proven guilty? Sieg heil. Maybe the Canadian trucker protesters - and their donors - might have an answer to that. |
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It's been a while since I posted a "Saturday Long Read", so allow me to hit you with this little one... Bank... bank? Did Someone say Bank? In hindsight, it was inevitable.We are all hyped up over the ETFs. As usual we are fixated on something important while we miss the thing that really is the MOST important. Remember Baakt? Or is it Bakkt? Does anyone even know? That was going to launch us into HYPERBITCOINIZATION! And here we are again... this cycle's hype is ETFs! Wait... ummm didn't we also try this one before? It's like the China bans. We will gladly lap up the same narratives over and over. Well ETFs ARE coming. Someday. Eventually. But Blackrock, and the others are not the only ones playing. The powerful people had to figure out Bitcoin eventually, and now the race is on to define who controls the most of it. That is assuming Blackrock, and the Fed are not mounting a fantastic FUD campaign against Bitcoin. And I'd estimate there is a 20% chance that is exactly what they are doing. The reason I say 20 instead of zero is they hate bitcoin at least enough to try this. The reason I say 20 instead of 100 is these people are not generally dumb. You do not get to where they are being dumb. They are in control of the Earth, and they have seen what Bitcoin is. I think they are smart enough to know they can't stop it. So the objective from this point is to CONTROL it. And to do that, in the style they are most accustomed to they must own so much of it that it is easier to buy their product than the real thing. Make no mistake. People buying into the Blackrock product (or Fidelity, or ...) are putting 100% trust and control into the hands of the owners of those funds. And they will issue "shares" or "coins" or whatever they want to call it that represent a certain amount of the bitcoin they hold, and thus they can get right back to printing as they always have. I can try to give them the benefit of the doubt that they will not try their old tricks. But I am never able to see it as remotely possible. So that is what we are cheering for. And look! I am not saying that it is all bad. Nor am I saying that it won't set off the rocket of price appreciation. At least for a while. The fact of the matter is MOST Earthlings are going to need help. AND Layer 1, on-chain transactions are going to be expensive as fuck. The average Joe needs help. Frankly, even the above average Lisa needs help. Seriously... LUKE DASHJR has his coins stolen. So, it turns out Hal was right again. We are going to need Bitcoin Banks. And that is exactly what we are seeing the formation of. And by the way... I have never thought exchanges were really "bitcoin banks". Maybe the proto-banks. But if you are paying attention you can see the tip of the real spear making it's way into the spotlight. Old dogs... new tricks.The big exchanges are all conveniently being dragged into the litigation they TOTALLY set themselves up for with all the shitcoin nonsense they did over the last 8+ years. Or they are busy announcing their next NFT series or some other pablum designed to fleece the tiny audience they have been able to gain worldwide. At the same time other big legacy players in the "bitcoin space" are busy having their databases stolen, or floating a way to get your private keys. But at least Ledger is pointed in the right direction macro-strategy wise. They have entered the race to control the money. And though their tradeoff is terribly un-nuanced, they are at least realizing where things are going. Hopefully they improve their strategy. New Kid on the BLOCK.If you thought Jack Dorsey was just a lucky nerd to invent "mico-blogging" then what he did with the Cash App should make you reconsider. But what Block is currently doing tells me that he can see the future. And don't get me wrong. I am not fan-boying @jack. He is also throwing his digital hat into the ring of being the best way to hold your Bitcoin. The Bitkey hardware signer is more than a simple signer. It is also an attempt at creating something your mom or dad could use to hold bitcoin, with SOME sovereignty and a LOT of security. One interesting thing they have done is set up various forms of redundancy so that it makes it extremely difficult to lose your funds because of a single mistake. I am guessing it will also integrate L2 networks as the software grows. At least lightning which Block/Square/CashApp have already done. But this sort of "Bank" introduces a HUGE amount of trust in Block. I have not deeply studied the model yet, but at a glance you have to TRUST Block just like you trust JP Morgan. And although they are dividing the power in a way that you have the majority, they are still able to act as a "safety net" which means they have a lot of control over your UTXOs (or HTLCs). Still... This is a good step. And it might just find the niche that a lot of new Bitcoinners will be attracted to, and frankly better off with than trying to "be their own bank". Cypherpunks gonna cypherpunk.I am admittedly a bit of a fanboy of Adam Back. And I think Blockstream is certainly one of the more important companies in Bitcoin. Blockstream folks have contributed to Bitcoin Core, as well as producing the 2nd most used lightning implementation. They manufacture my favorite hardware wallet (tied with Seedsigner)And they have developed Elements, the engine for their layer 2 creation: Liquid. And though Liquid is a ghosttown still, and has been rightly criticized by people who do not matter very much anymore, it is a very compelling structure into which Bitcoin transactions can move as the fee market makes all of us tremble. It is interoperable with lightning, and has very interesting security trade offs. Would I use it for cold storage? Not yet. But I do have a non-trivial amount of value in it in anticipation of it being more important as we move forward. Well Blockstream too has entered the Bitcoin Bank game. Their Green wallet recently announced the ability to use lightning. It's still experimental, and I am testing it now. And I think it can be used both on the Bitcoin lightning network as well as Liquid lightning. Blockstream is building one of the most compelling sets of tradeoffs. Trust is introduced, but is distributed unlike most other horses in this race. And what they have left to do is to make their wallet Green transparently transact on the network that makes the most sense for the end user, whether it be the base layer, Lightning or Liquid. If they can do that then they will have a very strong business model. Since they own the Liquid network then they can charge small fees for transactions and make their money that way. As well as profiting from the exchange of on chain BTC with L-BTC and Lightning. And their model leaves you ultimately sovereign and distributes risk better than others. The best of the best for self-sovereignty.What I really want to see has yet to emerge. Perhaps I should try to create it... oh wait. Is that a taco over there? I think of it as a FOSS Firefox unlike a captured Chromium. An implementation of an easy to use wallet that employs multiple forms of redundancy and integrates multiple layer two networks seamlessly. Yet it is fully FOSS, fully un-owned, and run by the users. It could integrate base layer transactions as well as lightning, and maybe even introduce some of the leading edge strategies like Chaumian Mints (Fedimint, Cashu) or even an Elements based liquid-like implementation. The latter could be interoperable with other Elements implementations, including Liquid itself. Pardon me as I daydream. But are you seeing it? The future? It's out there waiting for us to seize it, direct it, and make it the best it can be. Even as "just" end users we have a lot of power. We choose what works best for us and can help others use those tools as well. No, Neo. What I am telling you is when you are ready... you won't have to!So this is where the competition in Bitcoin software is right now. Becoming the strongest Bitcoin Bank is the prize. And we need to help steer as many as possible to sovereign systems as we can. The old guard, such as the old hardware signers, as well as the big exchanges etc., should be paying attention. They can be left in the dust in a matter of a few years. Or sidelined to a single function, or niche use. While they are still living in the last halving, visionaries are quietly building the rails for the machines that will run on top of Bitcoin. In the end, we as the users... the seasoned users, need to be vigilant to guide the machines in the right direction by supporting the things that are built with the best tradeoffs. And we must help the clueless noobs already here, as well as the hoards on the way, UNDERSTAND why every precious bit of sovereignty you trade for every promise of security and convenience must be CAREFULLY weighed. In the end we, the users, get to OWN our money for the first time in our lifetimes. #CCMF Post of the year, imo. ------------------------- Wrapping up 23, this here sounds about right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wCoXGMxJnk |
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Interesting energy talk in this vid. Particularly from 25:20 to 31:50, when Martinson and Doomberg discuss the probability of LK-99/room temperature superconducting which got mentioned here some while ago when that preprint paper first got published. BTC gets briefly mentioned as well. tl, dr: Doesn`t look very likely as of now. Other outlets like Science are sceptical as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFDPBx6W0X0 |
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Getting sick from all those woke, anti-white, transgenders, political correctness bullshit these days. Jezus.. Disney really wants to go bankrupt even after $900 million mega flops. What's next; Mel Gibson playing Martin Luther King, Morgan Freeman as Nicola Tesla.  A lot of people think companies like Bud Light, Disney (Marvel, Lucasfilm, Indiana Jones), Netflix, Amazon, Target, etc. must have some sort of death wish. They don't understand that all this essentially free ESG money these corporations are being given, comes with a bullet list set of requirements and mandates the projects must adhere to, but otherwise no strings attached. The ESG banks are literally subsidizing corporations with free money that merely has to adhere to a social/political agenda. That is all. That is why these corporations lined up for it and took it hand over fist. Their execs don't care if the projects they spent this money on actually make a profit, because it was free. So in their eyes, they lost nothing. Plus they can write these off as massive tax losses. (I've even read that they can write off ESG projects that don't even get released to the public, i.e., that get shelved half way through production, like what Warner Brothers did with their Batgirl movie). Do you ever wonder why their CEOs and other top execs are always seen pictured smiling and relaxed in the media, even in the face of all these massive multi-billion dollar flops, missteps, and bad publicity? This is why. But the joke is on the corporations themselves; they are literally destroying the image of their own brands overnight. When all the free ESG money runs out, will they be able to recover and rebuild their brands? Will they be able to actually make real profits again? Doubtful. The people will remember. Pepperidge Farm remembers.  I generally agree with your statements, particularly with your conclusion (same goes for machasm and BitcoinBunny later on). However, I am not so sure about the free money part. Imo, it`s more like bowing down to ESG will secure access to capital flows (generally associated with an ROI-expectation). Which are first and foremost controlled by the big fund managers like ... our new best friends ... from Blackrock (also Vanguard). Who have been spearheading not only ESG, but also ... exciting ... new and additional catalogues like CEI (Corporate Equality Index) and DEI (Diversity, Equity and Inclusion). Pretty sure, there will be more to come if things go as planned. Thing is, these social/economic engineering tools can - and in the cases of Bud Light and Target already have done so - backfire bigly. They can be leveraged by the plebs and actually really hurt those companies. Latest Bud Light spots and Target pulling their ... special ... line of children`s clothes off the shelves have gone against one or more of the boxes they had to tick off in any of those guidelines. And that came with a price. Which they knew beforehand. https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/blackrock-fast-tracks-eviction-esg-violators-msci-linked-etfs-2023-03-09/Yeah, they didn`t get annihilated in an instant. But it did hurt their score(s). Even these corps can "not care" only so much. Given enough backlash, they will bow to the customer in the end. |
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This does not surprise me. Klauss Schwab and his puppets like Trudeau and Legarde want CBDC. WEF also has its puppets in the US and Warren seems to be one of these agents. All anti bitcoin campaigns ultimately point to the same plan: launch CBDC, limit cash use, prevent bank runs, control people by controlling their savings. A CBDC will allow them to do much more, mostly by limiting what you can buy; not allowed to pay hookers, not allowed to buy GTA6, only allowed to buy McDonalds once per month.  Pretty scary but very apt coming from that perverted Government is God lot. We can only hope that the likes of Schwab and Soros are dead and rotting in the ground before this gets rolled out. Would people put up with CBDC's and massive control? I can foresee them accepting it for a while, just like the Covid lockdowns, but surely eventually people will say: piss off?Nigerians said "piss off" right away. https://www.coindesk.com/consensus-magazine/2023/03/06/nigerians-rejection-of-their-cbdc-is-a-cautionary-tale-for-other-countries/Overview of CBDC activities worldwide: https://cbdctracker.org |
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For now, it seems to be limited to Binance USD-accounts.
It applies to whatever exchanges are using Signature Bank as their SWIFT partner, and the move was initiated by the bank and not SWIFT.  So, this is not as universal as you (and I) may take it when reading the headline/blog post.
No, as SWIFT transfers are also handled by other banks. Furthermore: Only 0.01% of Binance's monthly users are served by Signature Bank. Apparently Signature Bank had a $50k min. in place since 2016, and exchanges like Binance traditionally pooled user withdrawals together to make this amount. This is probably be what they will do in the future. So, nothing sinister is actually afoot. I'm not sure when the last time Armstrong was a credible source for... anything, but it was likely over a decade ago. All of the points made by you are correct. Thanks for elaborating. Armstrong`s headline and post read like "All retail fiat-crypto flows everywhere will end January 31st. This space will be reserved from now on only for millionaires and even higher tiers". This is what I wanted to find out about. I agree with your assessment of his credibility. But you never know. Broken clock and stuff.... Sometimes, he does cover interesting stories you won`t find on MSM. But his endless lectures on ancient coins are particularly exhausting. |
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as for sideways inflation can't happen by definition .
inflation is higher price
stagflation is fixed price or sideways
deflation is lower price.
I say 8.28
Please allow me to comment. Stagflation actually means fixed/sideways (i.e. stagnant) economy, combined with inflation. No new business, but higher prices. |
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Man, the price chart in the last 10 months looks pretty depressing. Even more than in 2018. And for us the EU citizens it is worsened by the strong $. It adds another 25% to the price depreciation compared to 2021.
This might offer you some relief from getting depressed/stressed out about current price action: BTC is denominated in USD, so BTC/EUR is derived from there. A stronger USD buys more EUR. So with EUR/USD coming down from around 1.20 to parity right now, this is actually good news for EU citizens - your BTC buys you 20 % more EUR. Hope that helps a bit. Hang in there. |
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Not wanting to drag this out any more, it was common belief after WW2 that the Nazis and industrialists of Germany had a plan to implement should Germany lose the war. That was economic rather than military domination of Europe.
I have never ever heard about this "common belief". Never met anyone who knew about this. Never heard anyone mention that he knew anyone who knew. That`s anywhere in the world I've been to. US, Africa, Europe. Giving up the strong Deutsche mark for the Euro definitely worked in Germany's favor by making their exports cheaper. I respect your wish to not drag this out. My reply will be in the psychodad section. You may or may not want to read it there. A good example was Greece with the subs they bought from Germany, Germany borrowed them money to buy German submarines. Actually, I think this the perfect example for what I was trying to bring across. It all boils down to the fact that Germany is now basically paying for its exports itself. During the Deutschmark era, German products were expensive, but high quality. They managed to be among the top export nations, besides charging high prices. Everybody was happy: Export fims, employees (white and blue collar), customers, etc.. Then, along came the EURO. It was never voted upon, but sold to the general public with promises of boosting the economy, while remaining as stable as the Deutschmark because of penalties in the Maastricht treaty (I think it was somethng like max. 3% deficit of the yearly budget). Of course, those penalties would be enforced fiercly. Along with the onset of globalization, exporters quickly realized that they could reap in big loads of money - and bonuses - by churning out goods and threatening workforce to go abroad if they asked for "unduly" pay raises. That`s why net income increases for non-management have remainded almost stale for something like a decade+. On the other side of the trade, buyer nations found it harder and harder to come up with the money for their desired goods. Because, you know, inflation, ever increasing government spending, higher fees and taxes, relative economic weakness compared to Germany...So finally, they started to offer IOUs in exchange for all these goods. German exporters said no problem, took those IOUs to the central bank and got money in return. They basically opened up a tab for their exports. Meanwhile, this tab is more than sky-high and cannot realistically be paid back (look up "Traget 2"). Bottom line: Germany has been paying for its exports itself for quite a number of years. It`s a bubble about to break. Not a means of ruling the EU. The useless bidges and streets thing is a matter of competition. Somehow, people thought it would be a good decision to give a specific contract to a German company (lobbying notwithstanding). This is, imho, changing as well. Just look at the number of countries that are dealing with China in their road-and-belt-initiative. And China is making all their "partners" depending on loans given to them. I have heard that there are rules and regulations that will allow Chinese companies/China to seize things like roads, harbours, etc. if loans aren`t being paid back on schedule. Sounds more like ruling to me... Other than that, I share your pessimistic outlook on the near-term. I think, riots might be the only solution - and way out - for Germany, and in consequence, Europe. If this government keeps on riding that train which is heading against a wall at full speed, it will end up something that I never ever wanted to live through. Meathook realities (TM: Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, bathroom scene) incoming. Btw: I really appreciate you showing me the ropes with this quoting thing. |
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Well I'm happy not to live in the USA. We get way more vacation with a regular job. Also job security is way better. Sick leave no matter how long you need to recover, etc. Americans think they live in the most free country in the world but that's simply not true. Yet average GDP for every EU country except for Luxemburg is still lower than that of the USA. Certain job sectors in fact across Europe such as IT pay pittance salaries compared to the USA. Sure, you only have private healthcare in the States but it is also of a much higher quality. Many Europeans need to flock exactly to the States to get experimental cancer treatments simply not available in Europe. I think you are pretty much the definition of an ignorant European who stupidly have outsourced energy security to a country you for some bizarre historical reason hate and you have also installed countless layers of government thinking it will protect you from trouble where in fact it is turning into a similar political setup that Adolf Hitler wanted to achieve: Germany in control and no one else gets a say. When someone wants to leave said political system such as the UK you shame them and completely forget it was them who saved your asses from all speaking German or Russian by now. It is also my understanding that the once secure job market in the likes of The Netherlands now with year only contracts is nowhere near as safe as it used to be. Plus the constant mumblings over ditching the mortgage tax break would make the average worker / mortgage payer much poorer if it were to go. The EU concept was Germany's plan B if the war was lost, to continue their dominance over Europe. Sadly the occupied Europe of WW2 has long forgotten why they are not all now speaking German. Am I correct in thinking you mostly live in Netherlands. I understand that thousands of farmers are to be forced to cease farming because of some misguided Green policy on reducing Nitrate pollution. Only to import food which has likely been produced under the exact same systems. Thereby outsourcing pollution, that's OK then. Europe and indeed the entire world need as much food production this year as is possible to prevent mass starvation for those that cannot bid the high market prices needed to secure essential commodities. Shame on the Netherlands' well heeled population for their efforts to reduce that food supply. Oh the US is no different! we are being run by the inmates from the asylum, the latest the Climate Bill $369 billion, what utter fuckwits could have conceived this and at this time in history when the world is on the brink. Those with even modest amounts of Bitcoin will ride this storm better than most. Full disclosure upfront: I'm too daft to know how to multi-quote (quoting and responding to different posts in one reply). So I'm trying to address every post relevant to this discussion in one go (hopefully in chronological order), in order to avoid multi-posting. @Farmer Bill "The EU concept was Germany's plan B if the war was lost, to continue their dominance over Europe".The EU concept is actually rooted in the mind of Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi, who was Austrian-Japanese, and also the founding president of the Paneuropean Union (formed in 1923). "The WW2 propaganda" as you refer to Germany's plan B was common knowledge in Europe after the war".No, it wasn`t. In fact, nobody ever said so anywhere before you did. Not having a go at you, just trying to set some things straight. "Oh well forgive and forget, the EU is now one big equal happy family (ruled by Germany)".Sorry to say, but this is delusional. See quotes from psychodad. @psychodad "While I am all in for some recreational Germans bashing,....""It is however IMO true, that today they're calling the shots in the EU and the EURO could be seen as their trojan horse to transfer wealth into their direction".They are the No. 1 contributor to the EU, and therefore member states, financially. So if calling the shots means splashing out money to everybody else, you might be right. Other than that... And the EURO as their trojan horse to transfer wealth into their direction is obviously a genius move, since the Deutschmark had failed so miserably before. There`s a study out, I think by OECD, comparing median household wealth in the EU. You might want to look it up. From what I remember, German households are among the poorest (as opposed to government finances, which are still relatively godd, althought deteriorating fast). With things looking like they are right now, you might have a reason to rejoice in the near future. Germany is hanging itself, while simultaneously shooting itself with a shotgun, thanks to its brilliant energy policy - along with several other self-destruction mechanisms.. No more shot-calling, Fritzes`dictatorship ends..yeah. A bright future for all of the EU, or in fact Europe, lies ahead.. btw: No personal attack intended on you, either. Trying to be realistic, though. |
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New interview with Mattias Desmet, this time by German finance advisor/youtuber Marc Friedrich. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXnOYkkhqfgDon`t get thrown off by the German link description - interview is in English with German subtitles. You do, however, get an extended taste of that sweet thick German accent. Desmet does dive deep in on things like the importance of speaking out continuously, the downfalls of trying to construct a society purely by scientific/technocratic standards or the differences between authoritarianism and totalitarianism (which is where we are headed towards). |
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Just in case you think this madness is over.... Bill doesn`t think so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9mSG18q2WY"It can`t be bargained with. It can`t be reasoned with. It doesn`t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, EVER, until you are dead." |
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I've been thinking about hookers, lambos and blow ever since my BTC became far more valuable than anything I've ever owned or had access to (fiat / homes etc) and of course since these are mentioned exactly in this thread a lot.
Blow
I don't do it at all, I've never felt comfortable smoking anything. I smoked a bit leisurely when going out at during university days 20 odd years ago but never since. To be fair I did do Shisha smoking when I was in Dubai. It was fun. Peppermint flavour seemed nice. Don't know if I'll ever go back.
Lambos
I think more expensive cars might just be a fucking headache for me to be honest regardless of how much my BTC would be worth. I already am too greedy to spend much on a cheapish SUV. I hardly drive these days. I was thinking about getting an Elon Musk Kart in a Model 3 or Model Y and could easily miss a BTC or part of one to get it. But they still seem pretty expensive to me (almost any new car is compared to what I used to pay) and I do worry about the whole electric carry on. The range often seems far too good to be true. Maybe think of them as achieving 60-65% per charge at most. Meh. It's less miles than a full tank of petrol in my current SUV which still drives pretty well. It just has a terrible stereo.
Hookers
I can easily afford pretty top notch ones with my dirty fiat money. There are also some "actresses" available here in the UK who I have admired privately quite a bit but I've often heard these are not worth the extra charge. Maybe I should just try and see for myself. Again it's been something I've been thinking about.
I probably just overthink most things and should enjoy life a bit more.
I'm finding the more wealth I have had, the more careful I have become.
It seems a bit ironic.
I hired a model 3 long range just this weekend to give it a go. It was already 3 years old and when fully charged the car told me that it had around 280 miles of range (New I believe they have around 350 miles). I was a bit dissapointed with the finish internally. The steering wheel felt like something out of a cheap simulator, the sun visors like thick cardboard and the 'wood' effect dash was just plain yuk. The one redeeming feature was the acceleration which is like nothing I had experienced before. Ludicriously quick. However, once you get to a certain age that feeling of wanting to go flat out everywhere wanes and you yearn for a more luxurious drive. The driving was easy enough and you hardly ever use the brake pedal due to the regen braking. I would just like more interior luxury for £50,000. I know what you mean regarding being more careful with your money as you get wealthier although I believe it is more of a bitcoin thing. Every time I have spent some bitcoin I look back at just how much it cost in todays value!!! My DJI Mavic Pro is in todays rate a $44,500 drone! Very interesting findings. Thanks I think one of the big problems I see with many of the UK reviews on YouTube on the Model 3 or recently released (in UK) Model Y, is that people are so overwhelmed with the acceleration that they disregard everything else or even think about long term ownership. Halfords employee told me they won't even replace a 12V battery in a Tesla let alone put the car on a lift, so it really limits your options when things do go wrong / need to be replaced eventually. A rental for a few days / week during a holiday say probably beats a 30 minute test drive massively so you can really see what it's like to live with. "or even think about long term ownership". While reading your post, this came to my mind: Why are they pushing e-cars so hard all over the industrialized world, when every non-lobotomized person knows that there is no way you can replace all cars currently being driven with them on a 1:1-basis? Energy demand, infrastructure, raw materials, etc... What they could do, however, is create hubs/depots from which you can rent an e-car, maybe by scanning the QR-code of your digital ID on the designated app with your smartphoneish device. It'll then self-drive to your residence, and then self-drive you around. Bonus: If you are on the wrong side of the political climate (or you owe money to certain companies, etc.), your distances, times of service or even the service itself can be limited or suspended. And that`s only movement. How about your bank account, assets, marriage licence,.... You will own nothing and you will be happy (as long as we are happy with you). Some guys in here attribute current price action to what people saw can happen with sanctions applied (including Canada ofc). You COULD interpret current developments as a sort of test drive for different pieces of the big puzzle. A more or less slight reduction in world population sure wouldn`t do any harm either, if this really is the direction our overl...public representatives, advised by experts from all kinds of stakeholders, want to forc...take us in. The future of slaver...humanity. |
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Brace yourself! “Deltacron” is here! Yes like the name suggests all your fears combined. More powerful more resilient COVID ever..  As of now, this "deltacron" is most likely the result of lab contamination. Detection in countries other than Cyprus would change this assessment, however. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2k-bVcjiX4This vid is only 10 min + |
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