Betnomi again ignored all my arguments from the big post I wrote earlier. Also, betnomi has ignored the messages of many users in this thread, on which they should comment. Another example of how betnomi conducts its dialogue and answers only in a pathetic way.

Moreover, they insulted user gadado for constructive criticism. Question in betnomi - When a person does not say anything, betnomi is silent, but as soon as a person asks uncomfortable questions or constructively criticizes, does betnomi offend? When a person loses, he is an honest gambler, but if a gambler wins, then he is unprovenly accused of several accounts and money is taken away? How much your dialogue and business models have in common.

Looks like betnomi took a stand - I said so and it's true, just believe me. He also does not want to enter into a dialogue with me to resolve this conflict and does not provide any evidence. Dear users of this forum (even those who are very skeptical), don't you think this is a strange behavior of betnomi "an honest bookmaker" who values ​​his reputation? How would you act if you were in Betnomi's place? Imagine how you would feel and do if you were in my place? I mean, when they took $ 3,000 from me after KYC, they accused me of creating multiple accounts, they do not provide evidence and do not want to dialogue in any way.

Betnomi you say that you do not want to pay me because others will want to open multi accounts with you:
a) You did not provide evidence that I have other accounts (wallets, the same devices, IP, and so on). You just took $ 3,000 from me.
b) Your reputation has been seriously damaged and may suffer even more. Do not aggravate your situation with thoughtless statements.
c) What new players are you talking about? Do you really think there will be a large stream of new players after that? Let's take a look at the facts. You are a new bookmaker with a bad reputation and a bookmaker who does not pay out winnings. There is very little information and reviews about you on the Internet on other sites. In doing so, you position yourself as one of the best in the world. Are you seriously? Do you really think this is a good start for your business?
d) Pay me my money. This is the only way for you to keep your reputation. I will publicly write on the forum that I received money from you.

I would also like to ask you if we can use the services of a sports dispute regulator like SBR? Are you partnering with SBR? Please write the sites where I can complain about you and where you can provide all your "irrefutable evidence".

Hello friends.

I've been busy all this time and just now I'm online. I have re-read all the posts and will now give my answers and comments regarding posts by betnomi and other users.
I must say right away that I do not know the users that betnomi is talking about and I will speak only for myself.

Betnomi begins his answer with the style - "we are very tough guys, so we can block whoever we want, and we can block anyone, because we are very tough guys and we can do whatever we want, because we are very tough guys." Modesty always beautifies a person and a company. You have chosen an extremely unfortunate form for your PR.

Next, Betnomi has arguments in which they supposedly prove that I have a lot of accounts. Their reasoning can be expressed by the following formula - "2 + 2 = 4, the sun is shining during the day, the water in the ocean is salty, then it follows that the user has many accounts." Firstly, you can write that anyone played with you and made any deposits, but I speak only for myself. Secondly, all your reasoning is not evidence. Do you have evidence that I made bets from the same IP or from the same computer or registered with you for the second time with the same data or used the same wallet to replenish? Yes? -Provide. No? -Pay. In the third, you and I are in unequal conditions, I have to prove my innocence, while you just have to say something and everyone should take it as the truth, even if it is illogical. How can a player prove their honesty? The only thing that came to my mind was to put a GoPro on my head and shoot my life 24/7, so that in case of accusations I say - guys, watch the last month of my life and see for yourself.
Fourth, in such projects as NASA or Elon Musk's space projects, the best specialists work who design complex equipment, BUT even after long calculations they sometimes make mistakes and multi-billion dollar projects fail. You, however, insist on your innocence and assert that there can be no mistake. Do you have better specialists than NASA specialists? Maybe you would advise them to change jobs? I bet NASA pays more than betnomi.

Then the betnomi themselves talk about the payment and that they had misunderstandings with the risk management department. Ohhhh. By this you show that you have an uncoordinated team, and even in such matters as payment, you are inattentive and unprofessional. Looks like I was quick to advise you on a job at NASA. In doing so, you say that you want to take a leading position in the market. From my point of view, the most important thing is reputation, it is very difficult to earn and very easy to lose. You yourself are digging the grave of your reputation. This is not done by me or other users, but you. We will be convinced of this more than once.

Then you talk about KYC. We'll go to KYC in more detail. You have repeatedly changed your mind on this issue and just as often edit your posts. You say that you never ask for KYC, then you say that you are only asking if the user wins the jackpot, then you say that KYC is only for those who made a deposit via Skrill or from a bank card (I saw on your website depositing and withdrawing funds only through cryptocurrencies, what kind of skrill or cards are you talking about?), then you say that you can request KYC at any time if you deem it necessary. Your terms and conditions do not include the date of the last update. What does this mean? That you can make any changes to them and do it whenever you want. For example - registering on the site, the user agrees that if he has hair, then he must go through KYC.
Here are some excerpts from your own rules. However, I am sure that you will change them soon.

"a. date of birth and provide valid identification showing that the player is over eighteen (18) years of age or the applicable legal age of majority as stipulated in the jurisdiction of your residence (identification documents which must be submitted include: a copy of a valid identity card, passport or driving license);"

"12.3 Betnomi does not recommend two or more Users to place bets from one IP-address (from the same computer or the same local area network) in order to avoid suspicion of collusion (cheating). In such cases, it is necessary to reconcile the possibility of the game with Betnomi by explaining the circumstances. Betnomi has the right to block the account of such a User and ask them to send the documents verifying their registered identity."

"23.2 Registration and betting is allowed exclusively to people over 18 years old (or the allowed age range in the given country from which the user has opened a deposit and made bets). Users have complete responsibility as to dealing with the legality of Internet gambling in the region where they live and/or for providing the appropriate authorities of their country with information on winnings. The Company reserves the right to require proof of age and block the User’s account before receiving the appropriate documentation."

"23.4 The Company reserves the right to block the accounts of Users who have reported false data, as well as to deny them the payment of any winnings. At the request of the company, the User must present an official document with a photograph, identifying his identity (a passport copy), and also proof of authenticity of the indicated address data and telephone."

"25.2 In case of violation of any requirement of the bonus programs, and also if there is any evidence of recurrent bets at one and the same event from a group of customers, or conspiracy, regardless of the result of the given bets, Betnomi reserves the right to deprive these Users of a bonus and to consider the corresponding bets as invalid. For the purposes of protection against fraud, the company has the right to demand a document from the client proving identity before transferring a bonus."

"29.1 Payments are processed in a time not exceeding 72 hours starting from the moment that the request was made. Before the first payment will be made to the User by electronic payment methods (Skrill, credit or debit card, etc.), the client is obliged to attach an electronic copy of a passport to the Documents section to confirm their identity. Remember that forgery is severely punished by law, and in cases of suspicion of placing a counterfeit or an edited copy of the documents by electronic methods, Betnomi reserves the right to send such documents to the appropriate regulatory authorities."

You edit your posts and constantly say different things about KYC, I also saw reviews from other players that you did not pay BUT there is one thing:
1 time is an accident
2 times it's a coincidence
3 times this is a pattern

Below is a screenshot of your system for calculating dishonest players, but this is very similar to the Excel spreadsheet. Here I will refrain from commenting.

Following this screenshot, you show the player's big win. I honestly and sincerely congratulate your player on the win, but you better show how you paid him all the money.

Then again you say what tough guys you are.

The user with the nickname Pffrt asks you why, if you are such tough guys, you do not block players immediately if you see something suspicious? My answer is because you can always be cool or you can be cool when it's profitable. I am 100% sure that if I lost at betnomi, their advanced risk management system would never have noticed me.

Next, several users discuss the KYC "which you never ask for" and that you said the rules were written for display purposes only. However, when it suits you, you refer to your rules.

Further, from the messages of users, I understand that you posted a photo of some woman, who is most likely your client. This is the worst thing you could do. This is the point of no return. I sincerely do not understand which specialist with many years of experience from your team came up with this idea. You position yourself as an anonymous crypto-bookmaker without KYC and posted on the forum a photo of a person who most likely did not give his consent. Let me give you a metaphor as an example. Imagine a room with nothing but bare walls and a power outlet. They let a person into this room and say - do what you want here, but just don't put your fingers in the socket because there is tension. The worst option you can do while in this room is to stick your fingers in the outlet, but the person has put his fingers in the outlet !!! Are you sure that you have tough guys, specialists with many years of experience and cool systems? Trust is when said-done. Mistrust is when he said one thing today and said another tomorrow. How can other users be sure that you won't post their photos on the forum if you keep breaking your promises? I have nothing more to add here.

This is followed by a post by Betnomi in which they say that they are very cool, but sometimes not very cool, but in general they are very cool guys.

"Regarding KYC, we stated we will only ask for this in some rare cases. [Fraudulent user and other reasons outside our purview]. If you note, even though we detected two other accounts previously from the same user, we did not ask for KYC "but you posted a photo of your user on an anonymous forum. What if not yet another contradiction?

"All the accounts were closed on Wed, Nov 11, 12:03 PM. No You are unable to login to your account once its closed.
On a login attempt, the user receives a message indicating their account is locked / closed. "- what will happen next? Could you provide a login and password from someone else's account? Betnomi yes of course login - betnomi_best password - confiscate3000?

Next, the user Csmiami asks why I took screenshots. I answer. I have experience playing in bookmakers and I always received payments on average within 24-48 hours. Betnomi did not pay for several days and it seemed strange to me. I once again looked at the betnomi topic and saw that there people wrote about betnomi cheating on the ICO, there were people who wrote that betnomi does not pay them winnings. I decided to play it safe and took screenshots.

Then the user scammed-by-nitro wrote that he saved a screenshot of your photo post. Thank you friend. I ask you to save this screenshot or send it to me in private messages. Infinitely grateful in advance.

In the next post, user gadado wrote that he changed his attitude towards you to the opposite. Betnomi, as I wrote above, you yourself are digging the grave of your reputation.

In several posts, betnomi sarcastically and mockingly said that I did not reply on the forum for a long time. 1 - I did not have such an opportunity 2 - absolutely any user (including betnomi) could click on my nickname and see that I am offline since yesterday 3 - I understand that you knew about this, but did not miss the extra opportunity once to assert itself at someone else's expense.
I have no sympathy for you and your company, but I respect you as a rival. Not because you are good or bad, not because someone is right and someone is wrong, but because you are my rival and this situation as a whole makes me stronger and I become better, thanks to you as well.


It looks like you are in Zugzwang. This is a situation in checkers and chess, in which any player's move leads to a deterioration in his position. But unlike chess, you have one move that will strengthen your position and raise your reputation.

As you can see, I have responded or commented on practically every argument from Betnomi.

I tried to peacefully resolve the conflict with Betnomi and wrote in private messages to their representative. He considered it blackmail and said that he would publish my personal data.

https://imgur.com/a/vs87ns8

Once again, I want to remind you that betnomi positioned itself as an anonymous cryptocurrency bookmaker who never asks for documents.

https://imgur.com/a/6oN32JF

Hello friends.

I'll share my experience with betnomi. Looking ahead to say that they did not pay me $ 3,000 and closed my account, you will also find out if KYC requests (YES) how long they respond to mail and how they treat their customers. I will show you all screenshots.

Let's start in order. I learned about betnomi from your forum (I often watch bitcointalk, but I was not registered) then I did not see any obvious negative reviews with evidence about them on the forum and decided to register with them and test the limits on sports. The limits turned out to be good (Euroleague basketball 500-1900 dollars) and I made a 201 dollars ETH deposit on October 27, 2020 and put all my money on basketball in live. My bet was lost and I made the next $ 813 ether deposit to them, I made a few more bets and sent to check if they were paying. I made a request for a payout of $ 471 and received my money in a few hours! I was delighted that the bookmaker has good limits and that he pays without KYC in a few hours (as it turned out, it was in vain). After that, I made two more deposits with them, $ 807 and $ 1539.

Confirmation of deposits and successful withdrawals


https://imgur.com/a/YW5oJTr

Almost all my bets were on top European basketball in live. Confirmation of bet history.

https://imgur.com/a/jmV0uTi
https://imgur.com/a/HTJGhvE
https://imgur.com/a/1VrRWwp
https://imgur.com/a/TvkpArh
https://imgur.com/a/EDPntvG
https://imgur.com/a/FINeXqC
https://imgur.com/a/QGY0sA8

I managed to win at sports betting and my balance went up to $ 5797. I made a request for payment in the evening of $ 3,000. In the morning, I logged into my betnomi account again and wanted to place bets, but found that they limited my maximum bet to a few dollars (I didn’t make any bets or deposits there anymore). With such low betting limits, I am not interested in playing and I decided to withdraw the entire balance. I wanted to make a second withdrawal of $ 2797, but there was an error stating that I had an active withdrawal of funds. I canceled a withdrawal I made yesterday of $ 3,000 and made a new withdrawal request for the entire $ 5,797 balance.

https://imgur.com/a/lP666s9

However, a day has passed, but I have not received any money and have not received any letters from betnomi. I wrote to them and asked when they would pay me and I received an answer in internal messages on the site. They said that they had problems with paying for ether and asked me to make a request to withdraw funds in bitcoins.

https://imgur.com/a/ZpB9fZF

I made a new request for payment in bitcoins however they did not pay me. Then they began to say old things about the exchange and this made me very alarmed. They also assured me that everything is fine and that they are working on resolving my payment.

https://imgur.com/a/t8gPN5X

Then they asked if I was ready to accept payment for Bitcoin 2797, and after which they would pay me 3000 for Ether

https://imgur.com/a/710MqiZ

I agreed and they paid me $ 2,797 for bitcoin. I want to remind you that they answer messages for several days and they do not have a support chat. Of course I was worried and wrote to them everywhere. Here is their answer

https://imgur.com/a/R7E7YNu

Then they wrote that my payment would soon be processed and soon I receive a letter from them in the mail, in which they demand from me documents (passport and utilities). It seemed strange to me, because they wrote that they did not require verification from their users, but I sent them documents.

https://imgur.com/a/LUu0DOG

A few days later, a new request for documents from them. They asked for documents in English and take a picture with a passport and a sheet of paper on which the date will be written. I remind you once again that this is betnomi.com, which has repeatedly said that users will not be asked for documents. I took a selfie with my passport and a piece of paper and also sent them a photo of the bank statement!

https://imgur.com/a/jmKyCMY
https://imgur.com/a/bT7c849

A few days later, I get an answer from them. They blocked my account and confiscated $ 3,000!

https://imgur.com/a/VXPo058

I only have one account and have not created any new accounts. This is a scam from betnomi.com. Let them provide evidence, but such evidence simply does not exist. I really hope that this is some kind of mistake and they will return the money to me, but everything indicates that this is a fraudulent project that will close soon and take users' money. Perhaps they are making small payments now, but they confiscate large winnings and close the accounts. I re-read their topic and saw that they contradict themselves many times, they were also noticed in deceiving users earlier. However, I thought that this would not happen to me and paid for it with money.

They say that I have several accounts, but then why did they pay me 2797? I remind you once again that I ordered a payout and did not make any more bets or make any deposits. They paid me part of the money, but when it came to paying the winnings, they just took the money and closed the account. This clearly indicates that this project will close soon. Be extremely careful.

I would be glad for any idea how to get money back from betnomi.com