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1  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Bitcoin Fog: Secure Bitcoin Anonymization on: March 21, 2014, 05:20:59 PM
Bitcoinfog is a selective scammer. We have lost 14,000$ or so worth of btc this week with them.

Hey alicealice, sorry to hear Bitcoin Fog stole that much money from you Sad

We then tried to get back on the website and sure enough, bitcoinfog has deleted our account. We were able to create the same fuckin account with same username/password, and now we have a balance of 0 btc.

Turns out they did the same thing to me... At first I thought it was a credential log on problem, but I tried what you said.  Sure enough it let me create an account with the same username and password and of course my deposit wasn't there, a big fat Zero balance.

The staff is non-compliant and is refusing to help. They say we have to submit a ticket through the ticket support with the right account, the one that they deleted. Other than that, staff has been arrogant and just plain assholes.

They are extremely arrogant and big assholes.

Yes, there mixing system works. Yes, we have shuffled a lot of bitcoins through it, but today we realized they're just a bunch of fucker(s) who will still(steal from) their trusted clients. I would say: use at your own risk and expect to be robbed blindly.

I totally agree, I deposited money with them on March 6th and over two weeks later they have done nothing to fix the problem, in fact they deny that there is a problem.

BITCOIN FOG will scam you too!
BITCOIN FOG will rob you blind!
BITCOIN FOG will delete your account and your balance with it!
BITCOIN FOG will taunt you after they steal your money!







2  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Bitcoin Fog: Secure Bitcoin Anonymization on: March 21, 2014, 02:12:05 AM
FINALLy received message from Bitcoin Fog customer support, and the issue is resolved.
Therefore, I've deleted my posts out of consideration for them.

Great News! Prepschoolhippie!  Unfortunately their support is still (in my case) denying that their computer system malfunctioned.  As you can read in posts above they have zero intention of getting my deposit back to me.

I'm glad things worked out in your case.  But for me personally, I still have to take the position that I was scammed deliberately because these errors that happen to them always seem to happen after they get a deposit.  Combined with their technical support ignoring what I report to happen and making up their own report of what happened (very childish).

Bitcoin Fog Scammed Me!
3  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Bitcoin Fog: Secure Bitcoin Anonymization on: March 19, 2014, 06:18:01 AM
Using this company is no different than gambling.

Right on Prepschoolhippie! But you forgot to say gambling with a dishonest host.  At some point each and every one of their clients will loose big to them.  You can see how they were not satisfied with the amount they stole from me when they called it such a small amount.  It's not theirs to keep and they know it but they do it anyway (that's called stealing).  It was their computer system error that caused the fiasco in the first place.

Ideally, there should be NO missing transactions with this company, and if any transaction issues did arise, one would expect a professional organization to resolve the problem quickly and thoroughly.

Correct, if you read their response you can see over and over time and time again where they mention money they have "lost" but then claim it is always found and returned to "their users".  They never made an effort to return my money, all they did was refuse to believe their system was in error, accuse me of loosing my password, call me a liar in this forum and reveal alleged information to discredit me including claiming that anyone here saying anything bad about them is me.

Prepschoolhippie, I am sorry they stole more from you than they did from me.  You are 100% right when you say "one would expect a professional organization to resolve the problem quickly and thoroughly."

Bitcoin Fog will rob you blind!

4  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Bitcoin Fog: Secure Bitcoin Anonymization on: March 18, 2014, 11:11:27 AM
Dear Akemashite Omedetou,

Looks like we have a he said she said situation going.  I say you scammed me intentionally.  You say your computer system is flawless and that it is impossible that your computer system did what I know it did.

If that were the end of it then maybe people could believe you are not a thief but there is just one little problem with this whole situation.

You can prove it's not a scam ran by you by returning the deposit to the wallet it came from.

Your deliberate action not to do so is the PROOF POSITIVE that you orchestrated the entire situation intentionally.  That would be the only motivation you would have to keep the money.

Even if you truly believed your computer system has no errors.  A company with integrity would ensure the money was returned to it's rightful owner.  The wallet it came from is public record in the blockchain.

But being honest and showing integrity would ruin the design of your scam.  The only reason you would not return the money to the wallet it came from when an error preventing your client from scheduling a withdraw is even slightly suspected as possible.

If you are unhappy that I am requesting support from your site then give me some support instead of insisting what happened to me did not happen because your computer systems are perfect.

Bitcoin Fog is a scam!





5  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Bitcoin Fog: Secure Bitcoin Anonymization on: March 17, 2014, 07:44:15 PM
I AM NOT DAVEWALBERG! At least you acknowledge ripping him off, you have not given me the time of day other than taking my money.

I know Gorgoyle is not me because we hooked up on another forum altogether!

Hey Gorgoyle, I received your email letting me know Bitcoin Fog was bashing me on this forum.  Thanks for the heads up.  And thanks for the kind words of support.  I promise you I will do everything in my power to warn people about Bitcoin Fog.

I feel like we have a support group going almost.  www.thebitcoinreview.com/site.php?site_id=759 Is another place you guys can write about your experience with Bitcoin Fog

Mr. Omedetou writes a series of messages on this forum trying to discredit others that have been robbed by Bitcoin fog -->

I'm starting to see a pattern, Prepschoolhippie is right on the mark.

Bitcoin Fog stole your money as well as mine Sad  Unfortunately I can't make them give your money back to you; but I can make sure people know what they did. 

It has to sting that after Bitcoin Fog steals your money they accuse you of being me rather than admit what they did to you.  At least Bitcoin Fog admitted they stole my money.

I find it hilarious that they state they have integrity and protect their users anonymity yet they wrote all that stuff about me on the forum to discredit my story AFTER THEY ADMITTED THE STORY WAS TRUE!

Why admit my story was true, then try to discredit me?  It makes about as much sense as stealing from people.



6  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Bitcoin Fog: Secure Bitcoin Anonymization on: March 17, 2014, 02:05:04 AM
You are clearly missing the fast that during the years of operation we have managed to keep everybody's money and keep the service alive.

Let me guess, the amount of money you stole from me was to small for grammar lessons? 

Yes you have managed to keep everybody's money and keep the service alive.  You certainly admit outright in public to keeping my money.

This is simply not true. We know our password system works because it works for thousands of users with no issues.

You admitted your support did nothing but assume there was no error.  And you did so because your system works a lot of the time <- are you kidding me?

If you have misplaced your password that's unfortunately your own fault

So now you are telling me what happened to me and that it's my fault.  Wow you are not only are you the master troubleshooter of computer system errors, you are psychic too?  Awesome.

we clearly state that as an anonymous service we don't have any proper ways of retrieving it.

What does acknowledging your system experienced an error and returning funds to the wallet that sent them to you have anything to do with retrieving a password?

After the years of dedication to think that we would risk it all to get the small amount you are claiming we have taken from you, is preposterous.

1) I'm glad you think the amount is small.
2) What are you risking to return a deposit to a wallet it came from?
3) What do you find funny or "preposterous" about this at all?

Do you think your potential users can't see all these flaws in your statements?

Our main concern is the privacy and anonymity. You have already spammed our support page with your messages claiming we steal somebody's money.

How dare I try to get support from you! OUTRAGIOUS!

Now you are trying to do the same on the forum.

How dare I tell the public (a week afterwards) what you have done! OUTRAGIOUS!

Our users trust us because they know we will not reveal their information to ANY interested parties and that their history will not be revealed.

Do you rant about irrelevant things much?  Nobody following this is confused by your ranting.

To ensure that continues to be the case we need to make statement here that no amount of forum posts or spam messages will make us go against our policies. No authority or other party should get the idea that we can be extorted by posting some hateful forum posts to reveal any information about our clients.

So it is your policy to insult users who need technical support to the point they are forced to go public with their story.  Then confirm to the public that the story is true.  Every potential user of your service knows about bitcoin transactions.  Every user knows in case of computer system malfunctions you can return the money to the wallet it came from with zero anonymity or security issues.  But you would have to have integrity and honesty to do that. 

You system having legitimate problems and errors would not be a scam by itself.  The scam you are running is by insisting your system is 100% foolproof and keeping money that does not belong to you. 

You don't have the integrity or morality to understand that what you have admitted to in public is stealing because you insist you have never stole any user's money.  But you admit openly you are keeping my money.  And because you lack integrity, morality and honesty you have to be taught it; and nobody ever taught you that keeping money that does not belong to you is stealing.

Thanks for confirming everything in my story to the general public.

Bitcoin Fog will scam you and steal your money, do not use them.


7  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin fog scam? on: March 15, 2014, 11:54:10 AM
Yes the topic is right, Bitcoin fog scam.  No question mark necessary at the end.

Technical difficulties and logistic issues are one thing.  But using them to keep peoples money, like the monopoly card "Bank error in your Favor"

It's the act of keeping the money and refusing to return it to the client that makes Bitcoin Fog a scam.

And they are a scam, read my posts in topic 50037 if you want the details on how they scammed me.  But they run several scams according to what I have read in forums.

If you enjoy giving your money to thieves and scammers I recommend Bitcoin Fog highly.
8  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Bitcoin Fog: Secure Bitcoin Anonymization on: March 15, 2014, 11:31:31 AM
    The post above where the Bitcoin Fog rep states that the important thing is that all the money is on it's way back to people.

If you are refering to:

but you can at least know that we shall return everything in the end.

Yes, it's a lie.  Like Prepschoolhippie says, Akemashite Omedetou is simply here to fool us into trusting Bitcoing Fog.

The reason I say this is that support has messaged me back stating their intentions to keep my money by participating or perpetuating the scam that was played on me (the short of it: their computer system disabled my log in so I could not schedule a withdraw).  In any case I'm saying they informed me that they are keeping my money outright and refusing to send it back to the wallet it came from.  This statement that is quoted above makes it seem like they are so concerned with returning money that does not belong to them but it is not true at all.  As I said they have informed me that they are indeed stealing my money.
9  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Bitcoin Fog: Secure Bitcoin Anonymization on: March 15, 2014, 07:45:02 AM
Bitcoin Fog's representative, Akemashite Omedetou, periodically stops in to ensure everyone how their customers' issues will be resolved. His statements appear to be nothing more than blatant attempts to fool all of us into maintaining trust with Bitcoin fog.

Bitcoin Fog is a hoax, plain and simple. THEY WILL ROB YOU BLIND!

My experience has been the same and I agree.  Bitcoin Fog is a den of thieves which claims to have technical and logistical difficulty until the people who's money they have stolen just get worn down and go away.

I know there are people who have received their money back from them, but I know there are people (like me) who were scammed (elaborate intentional scams, because computers don't just error in the favor of the computer system's owner keeping money without an intentional design to it).  To justify keeping my money, support messages did several things 1) call me a liar ("if you are even telling the truth"), 2) deny their system has any flaws ("everything there works 100% etc...") and 3) blatantly lie ("Our primarty concerns are anonymity, security and integrity, and every one of our users must know this, and that is the reason for this policy") in regards to returning a deposit to the wallet it came from.  They even misspelled primary as primarty, to me that indicated they were hasty and just wanted to clear the support message without addressing it.  The fact (and it is a "FACT") returning money to a wallet it came from posses no conflicts concerning anonymity or security and the only reason not to do so is a lack of integrity on the person keeping money that does not belong to them.  They are blatantly showcasing a lack of integrity on their part and claiming that one of the three reasons they are doing it is because they have integrity.  I know for a fact they disabled my log in (either an intentional manner or an honest system glitch).  I know for a fact they denied the problem is on their end and call me a liar for reporting it.  I know for a fact their is zero reason why (regardless of any scenario or reason I can not log in to their system) that they can not return the bitcoins to the wallet they came from.

Additionally they are arrogant about the money that they steal ("Thinking that we would scam somebody over the amount in the address you have provided is just ridiculous.").  They do not seem to comprehend the concept of right and wrong when it comes to keeping money that does not belong to them.

Additionally they run other scam techniques as well, if you read the post from machinima and others.  Wiping your account balance to zero at times.  Especially after you make a deposit and your balance is suppose to "change" by increasing which is an optimal time for you to miss what they have done and not catch the scam.

I'm saving screenshots from the forum because I know at some point this information will "disappear".  Just like the "magical errors" their computer system has.

In my opinion, the people thinking of using Bitcoin Fog deserve to be able to read honest reviews from people who have been scammed by the thieves running Bitcoin Fog.





10  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Bitcoin Fog: Secure Bitcoin Anonymization on: March 14, 2014, 07:26:13 PM
Bitcoin Fog will keep your money, they are thieves.
They have gotten away with it so much they are arrogant about it.
Send them money and you may never see it again.

but my remaining btc dissappeared.

You are being scammed.  Their system does "magical" things so they can keep your money.  Like in my post above.

You only save your logs for a week

Support will get back to you and claim it is your fault somehow and that their system has no such flaws they will respond with "did you ...?" then flat out "you did ..." then "our system is 100%" then "if what you claim is true ..."  I have screenshots of how they did this technique to me too.

And all that will take place until they can claim, sorry we can't do anything even if what you say it true we do not keep logs this long.

Do they really believe we are so stupid we can not see through these childish scams?
11  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Bitcoin Fog: Secure Bitcoin Anonymization on: March 14, 2014, 05:46:02 AM
Bitcoin Fog Scammed me.

I am not posting here hastily, this issue is a week old and I have given Bitcoin Fog every opportunity to fix any technical issues they might have.  Their support is (too horrible to be true) so in my opinion it is a deliberate scam.

Do not use Bitcoin Fog unless you want to loose your money.

I signed up and deposited money.

I checked periodically for the first few hours.

At the two hour mark I did what the deposit page says to do and I messaged support letting them know my balance was still zero (not updated).

Just short of four hours after I signed up and made a deposit their website would no longer let me log on to my account.  

I am using the same password I used to log in immediately after signup and used again several times over the first four hours.  My deposit transaction rather quickly went past 6 confirmations.  There wallet was full of my coins almost immediately.  They never updated my account balance from anything but zero for at least four hours (after that my log in "magically" stopped working).  So after that my credentials (the same credentials I have always used) will not let me log into the account.  I have no way to make a withdraw and I am certain this is an intentional design.  Stay away from Bitcoin Fog.  It is a scam.

Bitcoin Fog support refuses to do anything at all.  They wrote "You have either been hacked or have lost your password if what you write is even true."

This was about a week ago; I have submitted support messages, eventually they erased my support history but not before I have screen shots of their responses.

Bitcoin Fog will steal your money.  They are thieves because thier computer system lets you log in long enough to make a deposit but they delay the balance being updated so you can't schedule a timely withdraw.  And then your log in "magically" stops working, so you will never be able to schedule a withdraw.  Registering a new account and messaging support will only result in them denying any problems with their system and refusing to do anything because you are submitting messages from a different account than you sent them money on.

There is ZERO possibility I am not using the same log in credentials I have always used.

They claim that they can not return the deposit to the original wallet because that would be violating animity and security concerns.  That is a verifiable lie, that is the weakest part in their scam because as I tell my story, some readers might think to themselves that maybe I did loose my password like Bitcoin Fog claims.  But when they claim they can not return the currency to the wallet that sent it to them because of animity and security concerns that is ridiculous and I challenge anyone to name a single animity or security concern.  For Bitcoin Fog to claim they "can not return money to the sending wallet" under these circumstances is so weak that in my opinion it is a confirmation that the entire thing is a deliberate scam.

BE WARNED: You may never see your currency back after you make a deposit to Bitcoin Fog.

(EDIT: Please note)  Since their system would not let me log in after the first four hours I had to register again with a different account to even contact support.  They accused me of not having my password correct and additionally they claimed that they had no way accept credentials from me.  They ignored the fact that sending the currency back to the wallet it came from would return it to the rightful owner and their intentions on keeping the money are clear.  Additionally they ignored all my support requests for six days and then even erased my support message history.  I have screen shots for anyone interested.

It is very clear to me that I have been scammed because I know my log in credentials that I registered with.  I know they worked for nearly four hours.  I know that stopped working.  All I can say to readers is that you know my story.  Give Bitcoin Fog your money if you want to; they will be happy to keep it.
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