Fair enough. There's some truth in that, definitely. This disease will be overcome eventually, but whether it's in our lifetime's or not is another story. Honestly, this is my first real "burning" in bitcoin land and I can definitely relate much more easily to others now. I can see how one may do a 180 turn on bitcoin and push against it. Though, there's just too much true, real positivity, for lack of a better word, in the protocol itself to turn back now.

Technically, like you said, I think it's a disaster, too. And it's damn near rage-inducing when the gutter keeps making appearances. But, do you really think that this issue/fraud/mismanagement is really the death knell of bitcoin? That's what I took from one of your posts.

I think that a lot of things you're saying make a lot of sense. There were certainly red-flags. I read the prospectus and had many of the same sentiments, but decided to take the risk because the potential to make a real difference, both monetarily and socially, was worth it. Regardless, you're right: don't send your coin to strangers who make nice sounding vague promises, unless you're ready to take a, what?, 80/20 chance of losing it. This is hopefully a learning experience for everyone involved.

Edit: When I read the tweet that Danny made while in the parliamentary (a la something about den of sin) I should have known that that guy was not the proper NB CEO start-up material. I agree with the substance of the tweet, but a leader of something as potentially game-changing as NB doesn't need to be publicly announcing stuff like that. I justified it away... let's learn from this MFers.

Ok, dude. Ok. You're brilliant and your intelligence is beyond the pale of anyone on the Earth. You can't lower your self to accepting that the shit you say may possibly be wrong. Because, well... you're just, like, the most brilliant person ev4r.

Edit: Your hubris, egotistical on-line personality seethes through your posts. Quite off-putting. If you want to help people, make friends, sound the alarm, I recommend you find another way to behave. Because, at this rate, I don't know if you're just a fucking jack-ov that likes to speak negatively about people and bitcoin for fun, or someone truly interested in the success of bitcoin. Since there's confusion on my part, that doesn't bode well for you, as if you were one to truly care about bitcoin's success, I don't think you'd behave the way you do (in this thread, with me, at least).

Well, from the onset of this exchange between you and I, I clearly stated that we're both working off of incomplete information.

Nevertheless, we seem to be holding this conversation from different starting points. Your above post is totally wrong and another twisting of the issue. You're like a professional spinner, either intentionally or unintentionally.

I would say you haven't an idea of bitcoin's capabilities and breadth, but I don't think that's true.

Oh, so now that I'm posting on a message board and holding "conversations" regarding a matter within the bitcoin community AND not speaking entirely positive on the matter, that's ... that's the problem. Ok? You aren't even sticking to your original assertion from your preceding post. You aren't maintaining any consistency, Chop. In your previous post you stated that this is "disastrous" for me, I rebutted the only way possible at this time, yet you don't acknowledge it and reply with some notion that because I'm here posting in a less-than-positive manner means bitcoin is doomed? I don't understand? I'm not going to be blind to the issues or problems with bitcoin and/or Neo & Bee -  as in, stick my head in the sand. Is that what you're advocating? Of course not. So, again, your post is illogical.

You are interested in my motives as evidenced by one of your previous posts. I'm not even going to go find it because you obviously don't remember. Obviously. 

This is quite bad. I agree. That's one of the reasons I created an account. But, how do you know they're "disastrous" for me? You don't know that, because, uh, it isn't...? 

You're human. What more do you need? Maybe your posts that twist the circumstances like the mainstream news? Good one, dude/tte.

You make the point exquisitely with the above post.

You can't even address your inability to understand why I invested in Neo & Bee.


Edit: Again, I'm new here and haven't had the time to read through over 200+ pages of posts. I'm trying, but it takes time. What I did was not "absurd" in my book. I was fully prepared for the risk. I've been in the game of bitcoin, investing, money, etc... long enough to understand the implications. Yet, that doesn't negate my right to ask questions and look for answers from the parties that appear to be less than honest. It's offensive that you lump all Neo & Bee investors together and say logic and reason don't work. I'm not arguing that in your experience it didn't, but the broad categorization like that is indicative of a maturing mind, not yet able to make distinctions within large subsets of a population.

Edit2: The point is: bitcoin is amazing/awesome/genius/evolutionary and I'm prepared to flush my life-savings down the fucking toilet if it makes the world a better place for the rest of humanity in the long run (I'm going to do my best to not flush it away, but if that's the roll of the dice, that's the roll). Personal profit is one of the least of my worries.

I'm new here, for what it's worth, but your ability to offend and act like an idiot is apparent. You have no friggin' idea why I invested in Neo & Bee. Really. You are illogical. Your statement's so far have been illogical (due to incomplete information) and you act like they're logical without even beginning to take a wise or mature stance on the issue by way of accepting you don't know what you're talking about most of the time (purely by virtue of the universe's mechanisms; that's not a personal slight).

So, in summary ... you don't know why I invested in Neo & Bee (hint: profit was a motive, but the ills of society can be assisted by bitcoin and I'm prepared to take chances on it, even at personal risk, which I'm more than happy to do) and your assertions to the contrary paint you as a pure-bred monkey. Which is ok, because you are a monkey. Highly intelligent, but a monkey nonetheless.

Edit: I agree wholeheartedly that bitcoin doesn't need banks or "banksters." Perhaps I was overzealous in my investment with Neo & Bee. Perhaps I didn't research the company enough, that's definitely a possibility. Though, I know that while sending coin their way, I didn't think of them as a "bank" per se (we can argue that whole other point another day), but something entirely different by virtue of bitcoin - and that's valid in my book.

Touche. Although, I don't think that's an entirely accurate characterization, but more a twisting of the issue and circumstances. Maybe you know more than I do, but we all work on different and incomplete information - hence, the illogical human. Hence, your illogical snipe at me.

This here. I'm so sick of reading/talking/arguing about it.

There are some VERY basic actions that can be taken here to assuage the anger and, if you will, hatred brooding here. If Danny has an inkling of self-respect or honor he will show the public credible reports on the finances of Neo & Bee. If not, I'm taking it as sheer fraud and thievery. That's the sort of thing that really does kill a person one way or another; either someone unstable enough finds you and kills you or you kill yourself with high blood pressure and paranoia.

It's just astonishing to me that there were already "liquidity" issues one month into the operation (perhaps more than one month, either way). It's astonishing that there is CEO replacement paperwork which was filed 3 weeks ago! It's astonishing the potential Neo & Bee had, then obliterated in a couple short weeks - as in, this company could go have truly gone down in history as one of the most important organizations of all time. In terms of removing the shackles of usury/banksters/gouging throughout the world, Neo & Bee had a chance to make a real difference in the lives of billions of people. Not all's lost, I feel, but we're hanging on a cliff and there are a couple people peeling our fingers away and a couple people trying to pull us back up - but, gravity is a bitch.  

This whole thing is so fucked. From every angle there's non-sense and misinformation.

Where are people's investments? Why is there no financial reporting? Why was 'CEO replacement' paperwork filed 3 weeks ago?

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. It's difficult to understand what's happening and a little [more] communication would go a long way. Though, I have to disagree in characterizing the incommunicado-ness as "unforgivable," as there are numerous factors we aren't considering or privy to.



This would be nice. We can hope for the best.

^ Hear ye.

There is a long history of ingrained thought and behaviour in the current system. It's going to take a steady mind and hand when talking and dealing with people distrustful of bitcoin - that's ok! Heck, it's preferable in some senses.

Neo's leadership may possibly need this break of sorts. They can take a long deep breath, meditate, think of family, and unequivocally know there to be a genuine populace wholly supportive and excited to assist in this endeavor and vision. 

I've been lurking for a little while around here and thought I'd jump in at this point.

This whole thing stinks like manipulation and/or  system breach. With that said though, as an investor, I hope to hear more by the beginning of April one way or another. Burgeoning technologies are wild animals and those investing heavily in them, whether it be socially or monetarily, will do best with open communication. This company has a lot of potential.