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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: #bitcoin #nash #Satoshi John Forbes Nash created bitcoin < ^ ^ > on: July 20, 2016, 07:07:04 PM
http://davidhales.name/talks/eccs2011/denash-abstract.pdf

Abstract: As'current'events'remind'us,'the'search'for'quality'money'(stable,'universal,' fungible,'secure,'convenient'and'fair)'is'an'on.going'game.'Previous'thinkers'have' proposed'“ideal'money”'[1],'tied'to'a'basket'of'commodities,'or'world'monetary' union'[2],'as'solutions'to'problems'associated'with'currency'wars'and'the'Triffin' paradox'[3].'But'these'kinds'of'solutions'require'benevolent'and'strong'central' authorities'that'can'impose'measures'on'state'actors.'This'appears'neither'feasible' nor'democratically'desirable.'At'the'same'time'lack'of'trust'in'state'level'monetary' discipline'can'undermine'popular'faith'in'available'systems'of'money.


Ideal Money is cited in this article above. 
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If 'forboon' was you, as you have claimed, you either control the account or you don't. If you do, it's a simple matter of proving to everyone that this particular claim is true with high probability - certainly significant enough for most here to believe you. Why should this matter? Not much, except that your arguments on Ideal Money often devolve into appeals to authority and burden-of-proof reversals. That's not going to get us further.

I could see us getting along in this dialogue if you are willing to provide evidence of claims that you make, in such a way that those here can verify. You should also demand the same from us here.
Suck it.
2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why satoshi doesn't come forward on: April 13, 2014, 10:29:53 AM
I read that pdf and the only similarities I see between "ideal money" and BTC is a common theme of anti-inflation & anti-central banking.
u read the whole thing, realized the fundamental main points are identical, the mans name is inside the psuedo name and u still wont accept it?

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The cool factor of Nash = Satoshi might appeal to "geeks" but it doesn't change the underlying weakness of BTC as currency system.   Nash's "ideal money" uses a basket of commodities (CPI) in place of a gold standard,  whereas,  BTC uses arbitrary  and artificial scarcity in the code so it "acts like gold".   "Ideal money" is closer to Keynes "bancor" than BTC.

Don't get me wrong.   The Nash is genius and I love to study game theory.   Still,  I'm not convinced that deflation is preferable.   I'm a firm believer that money needs elasticity to meet demands of the economic cycles.  
you are describing a economy with ideal money, todays revolution is asymptotically ideal.  the commodities index happens in a future u cannot perceive but nash has, when money has a new meaning.

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Nash spends an entire section talking about savings and why inflation hurts savings.   I hear the same argument from bitcoiners all the time.   But this rarely reflect reality of most people's lives.   Nobody saves money in cash.   Most of the middle class own property as their main wealth asset.  

Deflation puts long term borrowers at extreme disadvantage.  Deflation makes it hard for people to make big purchase like a house,  student loan,  medical bills.  

In any case the macro is more complex than the neoi classical model I'm presenting.   At the macro level,  deflation can lead to recession and depressions
how about we listen to this man, and believe in him


















3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Nobel Prize in Economics on: April 13, 2014, 08:25:47 AM
Nash is satoshi.


Bzzzt.  Wrong answer.  Nash is an awesome analyst, but almost never writes code.  Satoshi has a completely different and highly fluent coding style, a different set of synthesis skills, and uses a different set of tools.  


You have underestimated this man.  I have read all his relevant works, he has re written essentially every foundation to every field we have.

http://sites.stat.psu.edu/~babu/nash/money.pdf

read this before u give another knee jerk reaction

as i understand bitcoin was written in c and is an old language. it matters not , though, since if we know anything about programming we know how easy it is to pick up and how easy it is to break it into unrecognizable parts to have others contribute in untraceable fashions

reconsider ur stance
4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: #bitcoin #nash #Satoshi John Forbes Nash created bitcoin < ^ ^ > on: April 13, 2014, 05:05:07 AM
Nope, it was some smart Japanese guy. 

What is the deal with people's inability to draw an obvious conclusion?
The obvious conclusion is

Satoshi Nakamoto = I am Nash Sato Koto
'japanese' is the key to solving it because other wise you couldn't know what the words mean
Sato=most common japanese name
Koto=japanese national instrument

bitcoin is and instrument for the common man

Nash was a master of encryption, and game theory.

He proved both he cannot be beat in the encryption/description war, and that he cannot be beat in any context of games.

He is THE UNEXPLOITABLE MAN and therefore his satoshi coin is an inevitable fact that the public will adopt at an asymptotic rate describe in 'ideal money'
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why satoshi doesn't come forward on: April 13, 2014, 04:21:12 AM

Nash is a brilliant mathetician.   But why would that news instill faith?
He is more than this.  He has re written the fundamental believe of acedemia, you just don't yet realize this.  If you read or watch ideal money you will begin to understand bitcoin is not the idea.  Bitcoin + ideal money is the real idea, that nash has successfully hid from us until now.

You must realize that when academia realizes it is him, they are going to be forced to flip the fundamentals of nearly ever subject we have.

This man is not just a brilliant mathematician, this brought the power of money back to the people, and changed it from something that is suppressive into a liberating essentially free public commodity.

There is a flood gate that will be the tipping point of asymptotically ideal money...and this flood gate is the revealation of John Forbes Nash to the world as the man that secretly created bitcoin and left the powers that be helpless towards the use, and adoption of it.

There will be no better place to put your faith in money than the man whos economic fundamentals we still use (yet we misapply) today. He wrote the formulas from which we might evaluate such a new commodity as bitcoin.

We have named the very concept of ideal money after this man, yet I feel we should still thank him, while he is still alive.
6  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: #bitcoin #nash #Satoshi John Forbes Nash created bitcoin < ^ ^ > on: April 13, 2014, 04:11:24 AM
Proof-of-Work consensus is an instance of nash equilibrium. But similarities end here.
Its not a theory he is the man.

It has his name in the anagram, its spells "I am nash"

The many was a genius in the field of cryptography.

Ideal money is a paper by nash, read it, once you do you will realize that bitcoin IS ideal money.  The similarities do not end 'here', its your ignorance to the obvious that has simply begin there.

It IS nash, and its a question about how long we will continue to suppress this mans work, if he didn't want us to eventually find out he never would have put his name in the pseudo name.

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Occasional British English spelling and terminology (such as the phrase "bloody hard") in both source code comments and forum postings work
he was born in 1928


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a Swiss coder and active community member, graphed the time stamps for each of Nakamoto's bitcoin forum posts......a Swiss coder and active community member, graphed the time stamps for each of Nakamoto's bitcoin forum posts.....it suggests he resided in a region using the UTC−05:00 or UTC−06:00 time offset. This includes the parts of North America that fall within the Eastern Time Zone and Central Time Zone....
Princeton New Jersey where nash teaches.

I have read most of the entire collective works by this man, most of which is directed towards this phenomenon, we should not feel I am wrong because we are not willing to accept the obvious.

Edit: also you fail to point out that every aspect of this is and has been dealt with as a game.
7  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Nobel Prize in Economics on: April 12, 2014, 08:30:04 PM
Its not going to happen till a certain circumstance.  When Satoshi wrote "the bargaining problem" we effectively stole an unfinished work, and applied it to society.  We gave an award not just to satoshi even, but spread it amongst other peoples in the field.  what is shown now with ideal money and bitcoin.pdf, is that until the governments, peoples, nobel committee, acknowledges the suppression of the entire works, there is no such chance that Satoshi will receive a nomination.  Knowing that long before now, the governments would have obviously have known it was JFN.
8  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why satoshi doesn't come forward on: April 12, 2014, 05:35:01 PM
For the best that he doesn't come forward, that air of mystique useful as it implies some hidden influence helping Bitcoin along
Rather lets think about what will happen when the world realizes that it is John Nash.

When thinking about the game of the governments vs the people, how might the people expect to lose when they are led by the man that created the game theory that defines the strategy of conflict that the very government uses.

Will there be any better way to instill faith in such a currency?
9  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if Bill Gates buys all the Bitcoin? on: April 12, 2014, 05:28:55 PM
Overlooking the finer point that if any entity or government *could* theoretically buy all existing bitcoin with the goal of making it worthless and irrelevant, and were they to theoretically succeed, then at the end of the day, they would've just wasted huge sums of money in the process...their fiat is gone in exchange for btc which is also no longer worth anything. Lose/lose/

Only a dumbass would do that.


So, I figure the US government will be making plans any day now to do just exactly that  Roll Eyes
What you describe of cat and mouse is a game.  How can anyone beat the godfather of the solutions to cooperative and non cooperative games, satoshi, john nash http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_equilibrium 

THE UNEXPLOITABLE MAN.
10  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: not regulation, but do we need a "moral/ethics contract"? on: April 12, 2014, 05:22:18 PM
In short, no.

We must understand from the wealth of nations that a change in the efficiency of exchange is not a separate change from the rest of the world.  I have used nash's concept of bitcoin/ideal money, to re write the way poker contracts are laid between a player and their investor.  In this way, contracts would have become less regulated as the natural state of affairs actually holds morality intact.  I do not expect many to understand what I have said there but some will.

We have also re written the wealth of chips, that is the poker economy with respect to exchange of currency for chips (playing on a website). And shown that unbeknownst to today's society, bitcoin has effectively eliminated raked poker (x% of monies paid to the house).  In this we will soon be able to understand that John Nash's concept of hypercurrency (bitcoin/ideal money), can be used to change any industry in the world, and will indeed to so.
11  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi spinning in his grave because ..... on: April 12, 2014, 05:01:54 PM
Because when we first learned of his intelligence we committed him, and waited 40 years to give recognition. Not in a grave yet, but certainly spinning at the idea that we could possibly be so ignorant to not realize that satoshi nakamoto = I am nash sato koto and the author of Ideal money: http://sites.stat.psu.edu/~babu/nash/money.pdf

John Nash sirs and mams.

How long and how far will we go to suppress this mans genious.
12  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Is bitcoin Ideal money? on: April 12, 2014, 03:47:52 PM
I have pulled out certain quotes so as to highlight the true esoteric meaning of both ideal money and bitcoin. http://sites.stat.psu.edu/~babu/nash/money.pdf

Hear it from Nash/Satoshi themselves...

Think about bitcoin when you read it, and please read the whole thing (above) and pass it to someone with greater effect than I, it took 40 years to recognize this man the first time
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So I wish to present the argument that various interested and groups, notably including "Keynesian"economist, have sold to the public a "quasi-doctrine" which teaches, in effect, that "less is more" or that (in other words) "bad money is better than good Money".  Here we can remember the classic ancient economics saying called "Gresham's law" which was "the bad money drives out the good".  The saying of Gresham's is mostly of interest here because it illustrates the "old" or "classical"concept of "bad money" and this can be contrasted with more resent attitudes which have been very much influenced by the Keynesians and by the results of their influence on government policies since the 30s.

And such views can have the effect that an ideal of good money does not seem such a good cause as an ideal of a good pulic water supply

Our view is that if it is viewed scientifically and rationally that money should have the function of a standard of measurement and thus that it should become comparable to the watt or the hour or a degree of temperature.

It was the observation of a new "line" that has become popular with those responsible of "central banking" functions relation to national currencies that gave us the idea for the study of "asymptotically ideal" money.

In the USA the standard domestic "cost of living" index has a long history and it actually originated back in the days when the USA was still on the "gold standard" with regard to the monetary standards being accepted then.

In the near future there may be a smaller number of major currencies used in the world...And there could be introduced, for example, a similar international currency...

And if "inflation targeting" were used as a "line" ..each of the currencies managed thusly would have its officially recognized status in terms of inflation as measured by the domestic index of costs of the state of the managers.  

And so the various currencies managed with "inflation targeting" would be comparable by users or observers who would be able to form opinions about the quality of the currencies.

So here is the possibility of "asymptotically ideal money" Starting with the idea of value stabilization in relation to a domestic price index associated with the territory of one state, beyond that there is the natural and logical concept of internationally based value comparisons.

..It is sometimes remarkable how political context can evolve.

And this parallel makes it seem not implausible that a process of political evolution might lead to the expectation on the part of citizens in the "great democracies" that they should be better situated to be able to understand whatever will be the monetary policies which, indeed are typically of great importance to citizens who may have alternative options for where to place their "savings".

This is the same man that wrote to the nsa in 1950 saying on the topic of encryption he cannot lose.  the same man that created the theory from which we develop game theory and therefore war strategy.  The man that explained the value of money in his paper 'the bargaining problem' and now the man that explained the value of hyper currency in his papers ideal money and bitcoin:

13  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Nobel Prize in Economics on: April 12, 2014, 03:25:31 PM

never before in human history have humans possessed a form of money which could not be confiscated, counterfeited, inflated, and could be sent across the world for practically nothing.
when the reference client gets the needed code for blockchain pruning so that bitcoin could sustain visa's transaction rate (along with the ability to bootstrap new clients) one of the most important innovations of the 21st century will be complete.
This will happen almost instantaneously with the global realization Nash is satoshi.

the amount of techniques combined to create bitcoin really forms an evolution of 300 years of math and cryptography.
from the study of elliptic curves in the 18th century to the realization in the 1980's that a strong public key algorithm can be created by using the group of points on an elliptic curve.
Diffie and Hellman's 1970's idea of hash functions as a building block of a digital signature scheme.
the hashcash scheme as a proof of work proposed by Adam Back in 1997.
P2P networks popularized by Napster in 1999.
and of course Satoshi Nakamoto's white paper from November 2008 describing how to combine everything together to create the blockchain and bitcoin.

don't forget the letters to the nsa where nash explained he cannot be beat in the encryption war http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/nash_letters/nash_letters1.pdf
his solutions for cooperative games http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/cs286r/courses/spring02/papers/nash50a.pdf

And of course ideal money http://sites.stat.psu.edu/~babu/nash/money.pdf in which he ties it all together and explains bit coin is a commodity for the public like water.

Then we should understand the relation to a paper on fluid dynamics
 "Le problème de Cauchy pour les équations différentielles d'un fluide général"

And we might, if we are following well understand the relevence of a paper on singularities
http://www.imus.us.es/DC/2012_SA/php/Nash_Arcs-1.pdf

And then embedding manifolds: http://www.people.vcu.edu/~rgowdy/phys691/pdf/embed.pdf





14  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why satoshi doesn't come forward on: April 12, 2014, 02:38:14 PM
Better to be rich in private.
Y'all are so cruel.  Man is 86, and solves the worlds problems.  Hes not hoarding his wealth, he will obv give it to the people.  How much time till this man passes, and gets to live for zero recognition?  Will we really keep the rug over our eyes?

Sataoshi, Satoshi, where for art thou satoshi?  John Nash have you seen him, ur just an old man, why would we bother asking you?
15  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Used for Commodity Trading? Oil, Pork Bellies, etc... on: April 12, 2014, 02:28:20 PM
Yes.  Exactly.

Bitcoin would also be a commodity in the market engine.  It would be the fluid that makes it all work in harmony.

NO
bitcoin wont be a commodity. learn what a commodity is.

what bitcoin would be, is the dominant currency/value measure that countries all use.
research reserve currency
http://sites.stat.psu.edu/~babu/nash/money.pdf

Yes it WILL be commodity, as described like water by nash who is satoshi themselves, in the paper ideal money, that explains the part of bitcoin we haven't yet realized. Bitcoin is to be a public commodity, and to change its use in order for what satoshi/nash describes as "ideal money"

This is how nash is able to accurately predict the flow of such a new currency into the hands of the public and how long it should take to hit its tipping point.  He can do this because he also re wrote the governing dynamics of a general fluid.
16  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why satoshi doesn't come forward on: April 12, 2014, 02:19:09 PM
John Forbes Nash is Satoshi.  We know this now.

The reason they can't out themselves is because it won't have such an effect on breaking the damn of 'bitcoin'

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560056.0

WE ARE 100% SURE IT IS HIM, WE NEED TO SPREAD THIS LIKE WILDFIRE!
17  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Nobel Prize in Economics on: April 12, 2014, 02:12:00 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560056.0

Satoshi is John Nash.  We need to spread this before this man passes.  We have already been horrible to him and horribly underestimated his intelligence and impact on the world.  Bitcoin is ideal money http://sites.stat.psu.edu/~babu/nash/money.pdf as soon as you start ready it you will know.

Getting the word out is how bitcoin hits its tipping point.
18  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Reasons for Most Problems on Earth. Bitcoin the Solution? on: April 12, 2014, 08:26:06 AM
http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/chaos-complexity/dialogue.pdf

read this paper as an computer/internet protocol and then u will begin to see what nash's bitcoin has done with einsteins chosen prodigies' thesis (bohm).  can someone who understands contact me please this is about next level communication based on cooperative hyper efficient flow. i can just now seem to read it and op is starting to understand the genius of john "satoshi nakamoto" nash
19  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: #bitcoin #nash #Satoshi John Forbes Nash created bitcoin < ^ ^ > on: April 12, 2014, 08:04:10 AM
i wonder if we are ready to accept this yet, give this man his due, and open the flood gates.  lets let him live to see what hes done.

In ideal money he shows crypto coin is to be like water.  Nash also defined a paper on general fluid...,

BREAK THE DAM!





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the OP is forgetting the whole british background part of the bitcoin creatoR
The man was born in 1928, the quote you refer to is  simply "bloody hell". the time stamps support where he resided


before we think he is to old remember ideal money lecture is from 2011 november bitcoin is 2009. shake ur head.

I AM NOT WRONG AND IF HE DIDNT WANT IT TO LEAK HE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE SATOSHI CRACKABLE
20  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: #bitcoin #nash #Satoshi John Forbes Nash created bitcoin < ^ ^ > on: April 07, 2014, 07:29:55 PM
Satoshi Nakamoto = IAmNash sato koto
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