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1  Economy / Exchanges / Re: I think im getting scammed by fox.exchange on: March 02, 2021, 04:16:05 PM
Look, if they were actually obligated by some regulator to ask for KYC then obviously your request would be invalid - if it was that easy for actual money launderers to get away from KYC (by sending a potentially doctored image of their verified Binance account), then it is as good as having no KYC at all.

But my gut tells me that they're not legit, especially since they've promised to customers before that there will be no KYC explicitly in their policy statement.

You're in a sticky situation. I do understand that you are cautious with your docs but it seems like that it'll either be a) you provide them and *potentially* get your funds back, b) you guarantee privacy/security and not provide anything or c) you somehow gain enough publicity to make them panic, but that is unlikely since it's essentially them admitting that they're not a regulated entity.

After i made some "noise" on Bestchange & Bitcointalk i finally received a reply from them. Obviously they still didnt care that much about my issue cause "they had the right to do so" since it was in their website(the AML/KYC policy was at the end of the main page). Though, i still think that it wasn't very  OK of them to do so cause they cared to reply only when they saw that i am posting bad reviews about them. The response i got after i told them multiple times that i won't send them documents unless they send some kind of proof of their address was "We will re-consult with the compliance team and check if there are any other possibilities for KYC.", so ok i still wasnt ok cause i knew every type of KYC would not be OK for my privacy and the security of my personal info but i was gonna wait for a reply cause i still thought the Owner would understand. So after i waited for another day and got this response:

"Compliance team responded as follows:
An alternative option for KYC verification is that the user can submit a selfie which he is holding a government-issued ID and a paper note.
On the note he should handwrite his wallet address, as submitted in fox, the current date and the words: "for fox.exchange".
"

And this was my response to them and i attached a screen recording where it shows my Binance ETH address(the one i used to exchange my coins to) and i went to my profile and showed the Verified profile: https://i.imgur.com/HgZS2GR.png

After another day(without a reply from them) i sent 2-3 emails telling them that im still waiting and urging them to take some kind of action i finally got refunded.


I also wanna say that this (https://i.imgur.com/djFKn90.png) has been added recently and im 99% sure that before there was no AML/KYC mentioned in that box. This is still a good thing though, cause it removes the kinda doubt that people(me as well) had that they're hiding the AML/KYC to suspend transactions.

I still think that Bestchange should add the icon they use to let people know that the exchanger might ask for documents or something similar.

I have to thank Bestchange cause im pretty sure fox.exchange wouldn't have cared that much to reply to me without them taking action.


p.s. I would also like to know how does Bestchange know the location of an exchanger cause a few weeks ago it showed that fox.exchange is from Russia now it shows that its from the UK. I also found an archive(https://web.archive.org/web/20190401155132/https://www.bestchange.com/foxexchange-exchanger.html) that shows they're from NL, it seems that you just need a VPN when you use Bestchange and it changes your "location" completely.
2  Economy / Exchanges / Re: is it a pattern of new scam: in the name of KYC, lock their fund. on: February 21, 2021, 09:50:00 PM
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Im wondering on how you do people ending up on using those unknown or unpopular exchangers out there?
I found them on bestchange.com, the problem is that they lowered they fees and they appear the first in most of the exchanges options and thats why i went on with them(i had just woken up and was in a hurry so didnt have time to think a lot) cause i dont exchange through coins that much, especially now that i got a binance account dont need to exchange from other exchanges.


3  Economy / Exchanges / Re: is it a pattern of new scam: in the name of KYC, lock their fund. on: February 21, 2021, 04:11:39 PM
It seems that fox.exchange is doing the same thing recently, except that they dont need for users to register but they will (most likely) randomly ask for people to send documents in the name of KYC/AML compliance but they seem to be doing it to scam people. You can see a lot of people are giving bad reviews(Trustpilot, Bestchange, forums,...) for this kind of issue.
You can check my post about this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5318850). Just go to the links i've listed and you'll see that recently a lot of people are having these issues. They were the ones that got the less fees in the Bestchange list recently, i think the FOMO by people trying to get in and buy different crypto and try to make money doing that has led them to make such scammy tactics cause of course most people wont send documents to a non-registered exchanger and will likely leave the coins and move on with a loss.

I hope im wrong though as i am still waiting for a refund.
4  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] fox.exchange - Cryptocurrency Express Exchange - No Registration Required on: February 21, 2021, 03:21:04 PM
I am having the same issue as most people recently. I am still waiting for a REFUND from fox.exchange even though it's been 10 days without a reply from them and they're completely ignoring my emails, my complaint on BESTCHANGE and my post made yesterday here in Bitcointalk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5318850).

I still hope that the owner will understand that there's no need to ask me for KYC since i was sending my money from btc to eth(binance) where i am KYC verified.

PLEASE RESPOND!!
5  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Forget about exchanger search! Use BestChange! on: February 21, 2021, 12:41:50 PM
Hi Bestchange,

I made a post yesterday explaining the issues im facing with Fox.exchange (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5318850) and i also added a complaint in fox.exchange's profile on Bestchange (https://www.bestchange.com/foxexchange-exchanger.html). I would like to ask if you can do something about it cause they're ignoring me for 10 days now (https://i.imgur.com/8tQumbN.png).

It doesnt seem fair that even though you can clearly see on Etherscan that my address is a BINANCE one and i also sent them proof that i have verified my BINANCE account with personal ID and KYC related stuff and they still try holding my coins without replying to me or without forwarding me to their owner so i can explain the issue and make them refund me.

Also i think it would be good if there was a KYC icon before people exchange funds and trust me im sure fox.exchange will remove their KYC/AML policy right away since when they added that policy they didnt notify anywhere on social media, telegram, their blog.

Thanks a lot
6  Economy / Exchanges / Re: I think im getting scammed by fox.exchange on: February 21, 2021, 12:31:16 PM
Lol, i checked that user's time of transaction in Doge's blockchain, if we convert that to bitcointalk's timezone:
He received the money a little bit before he joined bitcointalk(4 minutes) but it seems to be legit in one way cause if you download the PDF SUMMARY of the transaction on his fox.exchange order you can see that his order was created 5 hours before he did the bitcointalk post. Though the EDIT part seems suspicious, i guess they made him post a good review on bitcointalk after they sent him the money.

The user "paz-1991" seems to be some sort of admin i guess but since the last time he was around here was a few months ago i didnt even try to message him, but yeah he ignored people's complaints a few times.

Thanks for the bestchange post, i didnt see that until now, i really expect them to have a big role in stopping them to do these things.
7  Economy / Exchanges / I think im getting scammed by fox.exchange on: February 20, 2021, 08:48:49 PM
Hi,

So 2-3 weeks ago(04 Feb) i wanted to exchange around 1k$ worth of BTC(now worth around 1.5k) to ETH on my Binance account.

Now the problem im having is that they're requesting for KYC verification, and i wouldn't have any problem doing that since i already did it with BINANCE(showed them proof - https://i.imgur.com/wg0PfLv.png - https://i.imgur.com/gq43nBq.png), but since i dont even know where they are from or who they are i dont really feel safe about it so i refused to send them the documents they requested and i asked for a refund to my address since in my opinion it doesnt really make sense to ask for a KYC if im sending them to a binance address where i already did that.

They kept sending me the same message(https://i.imgur.com/svoteSM.png) for a few days and now im getting ignored completely(last reply was 8-9 days ago).

I would completely understand if the support team cant refund or do anything so i've been asking lately to chat with the owner to explain the issue i have but of course im getting ignored about that too, i found their telegram group and scrolled through the members until i found the admin and texted him but im not getting any reply. I've seen another post here(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311809.0)  that even after they sent the documents fox.exchange is now asking for a video call to prove where they got their bitcoins, and im also seeing a lot of people complaining about this issue in other posts here or in Reddit.

I cant say this yet since i didnt send any KYC verification yet but this seems pretty shady to me.

In their official post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5104721.0) the first reply was:
"Where are you registered? Are you requiring kyc from your customers?"
and they replied with
"No KYC required, we do not require any documents and we do not have registration. fox.exchange is in the process of licensing its services in one of the crypto advocate countries."

Yeah i get it, they changed their KYC policy after that but they did that without even mentioning it anywhere(Twitter, Telegram, Bitcointalk post) as they would do when they list new cryptos that you can exchange.

So yeah i really think im getting scammed here cause i can see that they are doing this to a lot of other people. All i want is to chat with the owner and show them that im verified on Binance and there's no point in sending them my documents if they dont even have an address and refuse to give people an address where their registered. Im gonna continue until i get a reply from the some owner or someone and if i dont receive a reply from them i guess i'll have to make multiple posts like these in bitcointalk, reddit, send emails to their partners and let them know about my and other people's stories, this is not fair at all imo.


Other posts where you can see people with the same issue:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5104721.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5311809.0
https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/l6wqui/warning_do_not_trust_fox_exchange_caution_with/gl9alwy/

Reviews(lately they're getting more and more bad reviews with the same issue):
https://www.bestchange.com/foxexchange-exchanger.html
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/fox.exchange

p.s. only came to know today that they're based in Russia after i saw their Bestchange Review page
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