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Only for florin...
Erik de Maijer and a few others will contribute to Rijks new bitvavo exchange fund for a new florin listing that promises ideal transactions, if any interest you can sign up to slack and help contribute. I don't know where the bitvavo funds ended up and I can't promise the florin investors the €25000 will be used for it's intended purpose.
Rijk has also given up on Munt because of whales and the distribution problems caused by these whales buying up the premines, dev rewards and other contributions made to develop the Munt-Gulden blockchain that the rich florin investors got for free. Sweet deal.
Maybe some hopium that the "rich" investors that invested in florin will help Erik de Maijer raise funds for no compensation, after all they do have the biggest bags and should pay up.
It's time to stop bumping this thread. Most people gave up on Rijk's blockchains long ago. If people want to throw more money at Rijk, let them, because you can't stop it. They will have to learn the hard way, and it will help them grow up when looking for new investment options. Of course, over time, there will be fewer people whom Rijk can siphon funds off, and he will move onto the next thing in his life to try make easy money off people. |
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The only reason I purchased Gulden was because I thought Nocks was a good service and you could buy at bitcoin merchants using Gulden with Nocks. When Nocks shutdown it was the end for Gulden. I also supported EFL but it never had people like Roel to make a difference.
IMHO the death nail was the removal from litebit and bitcoinmeester. From what I have read on this thread, blockhut only sells the premine and this is a sad state of affairs for potential investors. No one will touch this coin if they can't buy and sell easily. agreed, easy buying and selling is key. But isnt this a bit of a chicken & egg story? Because platforms delist because of low volume. So where there were easy buy and sell options. People weren't using it. Therefor they stopped with listing them. Because no volume means no money only costs for an exchange or broker. So back then, nobody was actively trading, buying and selling. Delistings. Now nobody is actively trading, buying and selling because there are no (not enough simple to use) listings. Doesn't make total sense. I think the people stopped actively buying and selling because any upward movement was shot down by massive dumps. So people left. The listings left. Will a proper listing now instantly mean all people start jumping on board again? I am not convinced about that. Other coins are in a healthy situation for a bear market. I expressed my concerns when Gulden started and I was proven right. Rijk chased away the people that could help Gulden grow. I was told to stop helping the market and left it, instead of uniting the community, Rijk divided the community because only dev is a requirement. Gulden is dead and no coming back unless dratic change in attitude and non threatening antics against the community is realized. |
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You lucky btc still exists on the buy side for this coin. It's a no hope project where the investors also need to work and take the risks to make this project work.
They need to increase the value of the premine while the benefit of the premine goes to the founder. My friends there is projects you can invest in with no premines and the founders take all the risks.
The project is dead.imho. |
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The price is reflecting a future premine. The Gulden name change will decrease interest in this blockchain.
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This is some scary sh*t. What can I do to keep you on board? I was thinking 50 billion premine. But let me know what you want.
A tip though, if you threaten every time we make a change and then stay anyway, it doesn't come across as threatening anymore. Making a new account and saying the same thing doesn't really help either.
[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]
Is Bezos throwing early investors under the bus for purchasing amazon stock, accept responsibility for the coins performance and make changes that don't resort to blockchain manipulation. |
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Word of advice is stay anonymous if you complaining about Rijk due to lawyers getting involved as seen in the past.
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My other legalized scam florin is not working too good . Renaming Gulden and gonna create myself another fat premine with no transparency and when it's finished I will blame the whales. Good plan right?
Read the message on telegram, we have all been scammed. I wasn't 100% sure with Florin but with this I am 100% sure Rijk is a scammer. He sold all his Gulden, he has nothing left to gain personally and needs another premine. Even kort: De nieuwe Gulden Hoeveelheid nader te bepalen, maar belangrijk onderdeel: grote premine. Om de volgende reden: Guldens worden verkocht via Blockhut en de ontvangen euro's worden meteen omgezet naar Bitcoin. Deze Bitcoin wordt decentraal dmv multisig (Stichting oid, nieuwe GAB, enz.) bewaard en is de dekking van Gulden. Waar vroeger de Gulden werd gedekt door goud, wordt de nieuwe Gulden minimaal gedekt door digitaal goud: Bitcoin. Waarbij natuurlijk ook rekening moet worden gehouden met ontwikkelingskosten, maar dat is inmiddels zo inzichtelijk en helder, dat we precies weten wat er nodig is. Iedere koper moet door een KYC proces, waarmee we meteen aan alle toekomstige wetgeving voldoen en ook meteen een "glassnode" site kunnen opzetten, dus geldstromen zijn inzichtelijk en witwassen/fraude wordt voorkomen. Waarbij privacy natuurlijk wel voorop staat, maar nu al is niet aan deze regels te ontkomen, dus beter de boel voor zijn. En we zitten hier ook niet voor fraude, juist niet. De focus is betaalmiddel, maar andere functionaliteiten moeten ook mogelijk zijn in de toekomst. Er moeten snel grote exchanges komen, dat is iets waar ik me wel op wil storten. Een top 20 exchange moet haalbaar zijn als we het samen funden en ik kan ook op zoek naar nieuwe investeerders (er is al interesse). De oude Gulden De oude "Gulden" krijgt een andere naam en blijft gewoon doorgaan en wordt ook gewoon doorontwikkeld, het is tenslotte dezelfde code en ook interessant om die chain als "testchain" te gebruiken. Het lijkt me goed om te focussen op de unieke Witness functionaliteit. Er komt geen swap mogelijkheid oid, want de nieuwe Gulden moet echt waarde krijgen en dat kan niet als we kosteloos gaan swappen. It's all to do with money. Ask Rijk to add a dev reward to Florin and you will see what takes place with the price and he knows this. He was banking on the Gulden dev reward taking care of all costs for both coins while he and a few friends make money off florin. Richpissman and many others have warned the community. Rijk treated the real whales with disrespect when they confronted him and Gulden is left with bagholders that are labelled whales. A whale is well endowed with both sides of the trade, Gulden has no more whales only loyal bagholders. The florin and new Gulden users will have the same treatment given time as Rijk won't look into the mirror and accept some responsibility for the failue of Gulden, until he can self reflect all his projects will fail. Malcolm joining Gulden revealed Rijks true charactor and before Malcolm Rijk was willing to listen as the community was needed, with Malcolm giving Rijk his power the community started to be treated like second class citizens. |
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That is what i said. Buy Gulden ;-)
Gulden has no high net worth investors.  |
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yeah, Florin is a poor man's coin. Better buy Gulden.
Florin has the high net worth investors. Better buy Florin. Florin is in the same state as Gulden and will require different treatment to progress, the whales will collect and have a point of sale price which was 0.02 in the last pump. The whales collecting at todays prices will sell for a healthy profit to the next wave of users and the cycle repeats. You don't have to look too closely to see that more % of florin is in fewer wallets compared to Gulden. The "whale problem" is worse with florin. |
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I have 247 Gulden to give away. I forgot on my first bitcoinmeester purchase I sent coins to a Gulden wallet, i dont want to bother going through registering on a exchange to sell. First one to PM your address and I will send the coins.
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30 / 30 / 60 for the first 25% drop. Miners play an important role in the security of Gulden. |
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I was banned from slack about 3 years ago for talking about Guldens ranking on coinmarketcap in traders, Gulden was still top 250 , Gulden can't keep in the top 1000 in 2021. My fears and thoughts came true and was lucky to have sold 90% of my coins.
The ranking dropped fast after the 2 development rewards and the announcement of Novo. Both were anti price. I would say Novo was far worse for the Gulden price.
I believe slack is more open to sensitive topics in 2021 which is a good change.
Doxter if you join telegram you will get banned for insulting people, kraken runs a tight ship.
I trade this low liquidity market. What a win! After many years of not involving myself in the Gulden market I might step back in. Enjoy whatever free reign you may be experiencing. |
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I was banned from slack about 3 years ago for talking about Guldens ranking on coinmarketcap in traders, Gulden was still top 250 , Gulden can't keep in the top 1000 in 2021. My fears and thoughts came true and was lucky to have sold 90% of my coins.
The ranking dropped fast after the 2 development rewards and the announcement of Novo. Both were anti price. I would say Novo was far worse for the Gulden price.
I believe slack is more open to sensitive topics in 2021 which is a good change.
Doxter if you join telegram you will get banned for insulting people, kraken runs a tight ship.
It's never worth changing the blockchain settings but the current settings is not healthy to attract any investor that's worth one's salt. |
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You should have a look at syscoin if you like Gulden. In 2019 they reduced their block reward and added a 5% reward reduction annually.
Master nodes get 75% of the reward and miners 25%. They have a governance system where longer term masternodes get rewarded more.
I sold my Gulden for syscoin in 2020 and the coin has performed well in comparison. Gulden is still a good coin but without a reward reduction in the future after the devs increased the rewards by 80%, it left me hesitant to continue on and so far it looks like I made a good decision.
I invested in syscoin since early 2019, legend team. One in a million, they have achieved funding without having to resort to using a premine or mint funding with each block while still getting the coin listed onto multiple exchanges. They didn't expect the community or investors to do this. they realize the people that invest in their coin have jobs and other careers that they can't give the time needed where I get the impression the Gulden developers think the community is available 24/7 to make decisions and be responsible for the coins future while they take half the reward as funding. The CMC rankings tells the story, syscoin deserve the top 300 ranking they have and more! Also what's up with the gulden developers creating a new blockchain? The developers can satisfy investors by putting the blockchain in sync, as it was originally intended by Rijk. I am ok with the funding method however most people of average intelligence won't be thrilled about the current reward and supply settings. |
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This coin is bad, almost out of top 1100 on coinmarketcap. I wish I could stop my 2 witness accounts and sell but I am trapped.
This 160 reward with no halving and max supply is killing this coin and only benefits the developers. Why do they have different rules for the other coin?
The Gulden blockchain is fine, rushed decisions on the development rewards due to shortage of funds without thinking of the long term ramifications is the problem. My position has changed on development funding and it is good to secure Malcolm and bring in new developers to assist due to key man reliance. Bring the blockchain into sync using the original halving times and supply / ratio that was intended by Rijk. What about Novo, don't you think this has caused Gulden damage? I have no comment on the other coin, I have only been interested in a couple of country coins outside of bitcoin as they have a niche market that has the potential to be useful, besides a noticeable slow down in development due to the other coin it's not the reason for the lower price. There is thousands of other coins individuals can invest in. It's the blockchain settings that is placing constant stress on the markets because there is no future compensation for investors who want to take early risks. I was prepared to take risks on Gulden when the original settings was in place, including spending lots of bitcoin on mining to help keep the blockchain moving, funding projects and keeping traders that had no interest in Gulden from manipulating the price. |
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This coin is bad, almost out of top 1100 on coinmarketcap. I wish I could stop my 2 witness accounts and sell but I am trapped.
This 160 reward with no halving and max supply is killing this coin and only benefits the developers. Why do they have different rules for the other coin?
The Gulden blockchain is fine, rushed decisions on the development rewards due to shortage of funds without thinking of the long term ramifications is the problem. My position has changed on development funding and it is good to secure Malcolm and bring in new developers to assist due to key man reliance. Bring the blockchain into sync using the original halving times and supply / ratio that was intended by Rijk. |
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Does Gulden have a bright future with the max supply and rewards staying the same?
2 options and the 1st option is not possible. 1. Same max supply and reward = More exchanges. I can confirm the community is unable to afford a new high profile exchange like Binance. Stex is a low volume exchange and bittrex is not in the top 10 and losing influence. 2. Burn the max supply and change the rewards. This will bring in more interest and the price can go up, same demand, less rewards = higher price, people start making money, they talk more and get more interest. You can't burn coins, no premine. Only reduce the total coins. Look at what I suggested as a balanced solution and it's a solution I didn't come up with but what was originally intended by Rijk. I was one of the few voices at the start who was against the reward change from 1000 to 100 and when they went ahead with the change Rijk never adjusted the max supply to compensate. Next year if the rewards remained the same with the 4 year halving schedule, 75% of the total supply would of been mined out.
Next year Gulden will only have 35% of the total supply mined out and a long way to go before 75% is achieved. This scares off investors.
To correct the situation the total supply needs to be adjusted to where current supply is 75% and a reward halving introduced on the 3rd April 2022 when the next reward halving was expected to take place.
Someone else in the team or community can work it out but the max supply will need to be adjusted close to 760 million to bring the initial reward structure back into balance with a reward halving starting on 3rd April 2022 and every 4 years after.
A year is too long, you need to drop the total supply and rewards like yesterday. Remove the dev reward and you will have 20c in no time. No investors like a money trough of coins going to a few developers. Whoever has the money has the control! Let me try get back to the echo chamber that is the Gulden slack and try show them the light. Posting on here is pointless. The reward halving and max supply change above reduces the influence of the development reward from 550 million to 120 million which will ease investor anxiety, I don't like change when it comes to the original blockchain settings but that is the reality we are in. Malcolm has also moved Gulden away from a bitcoin copy and thus removing Malcolm as a developer is not an option, the development reward if well managed should be used to hire more developers. The blockchain setting changes I have advised on caters for Investors, traders , long term users and developers. Short term profit gainers are always after instant changes that will leave the situation far worse after the feeling of utopia subsides. |
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Does Gulden have a bright future with the max supply and rewards staying the same?
2 options and the 1st option is not possible. 1. Same max supply and reward = More exchanges. I can confirm the community is unable to afford a new high profile exchange like Binance. Stex is a low volume exchange and bittrex is not in the top 10 and losing influence. 2. Burn the max supply and change the rewards. This will bring in more interest and the price can go up, same demand, less rewards = higher price, people start making money, they talk more and get more interest. You can't burn coins, no premine. Only reduce the total coins. Look at what I suggested as a balanced solution and it's a solution I didn't come up with but what was originally intended by Rijk. I was one of the few voices at the start who was against the reward change from 1000 to 100 and when they went ahead with the change Rijk never adjusted the max supply to compensate. Next year if the rewards remained the same with the 4 year halving schedule, 75% of the total supply would of been mined out.
Next year Gulden will only have 35% of the total supply mined out and a long way to go before 75% is achieved. This scares off investors.
To correct the situation the total supply needs to be adjusted to where current supply is 75% and a reward halving introduced on the 3rd April 2022 when the next reward halving was expected to take place.
Someone else in the team or community can work it out but the max supply will need to be adjusted close to 760 million to bring the initial reward structure back into balance with a reward halving starting on 3rd April 2022 and every 4 years after.
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Don't worry about it, if it's only a max supply change then my suggestion won't be necessary. Without a reward halving schedule I would go as far as saying there is not much point in changing anything as it will erode confidence in the supply changing whenever it suits the community.
My suggestion is the right thing to do as it can be argued this is where the coins supply should be in relation to it's total supply when the coin was started.
Changes:
760 million total supply
3rd April 2022 or close to it the reward halves to 80 for 4 years. This change brings it close to where the coin would of been if no changes were ever made from the start of the coins inception.
840 960 blocks later (year 2026) the reward halves to 40.
840 960 blocks later (year 2030) the reward halves to 20. Gulden will be close to 90% mined out when this drop occurs and most of you will be alive to see it
The 4 year cycle also gives the market time to adjust to the changes and no sudden drop off from 160 reward to 0 when the new max is achieved.
This change makes total sense to me , I like it! I prefer no changes at all but Gulden does need to rebalance itself. This change is not about a quick price increase but a long term sustainable rise in interest. Future price potential plays a pivotal role in community motivation, not instant price increases... future price potential. |
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