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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BTL] Bitleu - Romanian investment cryptocurrency - ASIC-MultiPool proof ! on: May 15, 2014, 11:24:54 AM
The price is recovering nicely. Going buy a ton of these coins!
Yes, and we hope our real projects behind the BTL coin will raise the price.
Happy trading! Smiley

You know you're talking to a bot? =)))
What is a bot?

Bot is short for 'robot' and he says that guy it's in fact some software designed to act like a human, crawl on the forums and post things.
Oh. I understood. Now I say a stupid thing: maybe it would be enough to ask the "robot" If you have a Facebook profile!
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BTL] Bitleu - Romanian investment cryptocurrency - ASIC-MultiPool proof ! on: May 15, 2014, 08:56:54 AM
The price is recovering nicely. Going buy a ton of these coins!
Yes, and we hope our real projects behind the BTL coin will raise the price.
Happy trading! Smiley

You know you're talking to a bot? =)))
What is a bot?
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BTL] Bitleu - Romanian investment cryptocurrency - ASIC-MultiPool proof ! on: May 14, 2014, 08:17:46 PM
You are a developer of coin? How nice to finally speak with someone who can you tell me something! I wanted to know two things, then don't bother you anymore (for now): 1-is there a way to create a Wallet on IOS platform, or only on Windows? I that I am Italian I can do mining? Last question: investing about 40 €, today, more or less would buy 100,000 BTL. I can buy all those coins? And that margin of appreciation will take between 5-10 years?Thank you
I am a member of the development team, responsible for eco and energy projects development, powered by Bitleu. Sure you can buy, if you are familiar with exchanges. The most movement is on the Bittrex now but also on other exchanges.
https://bittrex.com/Market/?MarketName=BTC-BTL

Anyone can do mining of course, and my colleague gave you the link for the wallet you asked, Mac OSX.  
Thank you for your interest. If you want I can PM you more details about mahogany tree project also.
But I can buy BTL with euro? Because they still haven't figured out. And then, I think the pension investment?Thank you
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BTL] Bitleu - Romanian investment cryptocurrency - ASIC-MultiPool proof ! on: May 14, 2014, 08:03:43 PM
@ Ygritte

Here you can find the wallet for the Mac OSX:

https://mega.co.nz/#!6x52iSLS!T6mJniJeO54rWpEglzrscnfC1dVKO7R7aWCjtCpFs9w

All people from the entire world are welcome to mine for BTL, you Ygritte included !
We started this ECO project in order to protect the wild forests from Amazon to Siberia, from jungle to the taiga.
It is much better to farm quality wood trees like Mahogany, rather than destroy plants and the wildlife, cutting down random species and crushing entire eco-systems.
Sometime simple solutions are very hard to find, but we at BitEnergi did it !
And we selected the Lion (Leu) as logo, because  it is a powerful symbol in many cultures but unfortunately, it is also an endangered species..
By the way, the Romanian currency it is called LEU too.


@BTL-Master:
please check again the 1st page of the forum and update it
Thanks guys.I hope that my instincts (the lion that is ' me) once again, I suggest the right thing. I hope it is all true (I believe on the word, and in Italy nobody has confidence in this project). I hope to make the right investment, which is good for nature, good to me is to my family (in this period in Italy you are unable to work, to buy a House, to pay rent, sometimes eat decently, you can't put money aside for the future and there is no guarantee of having a pension). I hope that all of this is very bad and banks to the whole economic system. A dream home in a better world. Inside me I want this. If I have to invest 40 € with the possibility of losing them but also to participate in a revolution and maybe have a home, in a few years, I'll do it '. Unfortunately it's hard for me, I do not know English. Also use this forum for me it's a novelty, so excuse me if I make any mess.
Ygritte
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BTL] Bitleu - Romanian investment cryptocurrency - ASIC-MultiPool proof ! on: May 14, 2014, 05:52:49 PM
Hi Teodor. thanks for the courteous reply. I don't understand why, bitcointalk.org Italian users, I have not recommended. I went on the web to search for news about bitenergi, and I also found a video showing the 2 million (?) acres where trees will be planted. I thought that the currency, tied to trees, to grow with their growth. But if there is a fire? I want to believe, I like the design, and I think I would invest between 20 and 50€, now that BTL doesn't cost much. I'd also mine but I don't know if I can with a tablet. When is it possible to buy bitleu? Is there a limit? Thank you.

Bitleu will last for very long time and now it is the best time to buy as it is still low price. When we will fully start selling and powerfully promoting our mahogany tree online store there will be an increase of the BTL value for sure. There is no limit to buy Bitleu but it depends on how much is on the market right now, how much is mined and traded. To mine it you need GPU mining machine.

You can watch the evolution of BTL on:
CoinMarketCap   http://coinmarketcap.com/volume.html#btl
   http://coinmarketcap.com/
Block Crawler   http://explorer.bitleu.com/chain/Bitleu

Now you can buy from the following echanges:
Bittrex   https://bittrex.com/Market/?MarketName=BTC-BTL
   https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=LTC-BTL
C-cex   https://c-cex.com/?p=btl-btc
   https://c-cex.com/?p=btl-usd
Allcoin   https://www.allcoin.com/trade/btl_btc
   https://www.allcoin.com/trade/btl_ltc
And some more... but these are main.

The farm will be insured against fire and natual disaster by Aviva Insurence company from UK, as our main company is in Uk, and they have branches all over the world and a special insurance pack for farms and crops/

Hope this helps.



Ok Teodor. You are a developer of coin? How nice to finally speak with someone who can you tell me something! I wanted to know two things, then don't bother you anymore (for now): 1-is there a way to create a Wallet on IOS platform, or only on Windows? I that I am Italian I can do mining? Last question: investing about 40 €, today, more or less would buy 100,000 BTL. I can buy all those coins? And that margin of appreciation will take between 5-10 years?Thank you
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BTL] Bitleu - Romanian investment cryptocurrency - ASIC-MultiPool proof ! on: May 14, 2014, 01:53:08 PM
Hi Teodor. thanks for the courteous reply. I don't understand why ,bitcointalk.org Italian users, I have not recommended.I went on the web to search for news about bitenergi ,and I also found a video showing the 2 million (?) acres where trees will be planted. I thought that the currency, tied to trees, to grow with their growth. But if there is a fire?I want to believe, I like the design ,and I think I would invest between 20 and 50 €, now that BTL doesn't cost much. I'd also undermine but I don't know if I can with a tablet. When is it possible to buy bitleu? Is there a limit?Thank you
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BTL] Bitleu - Romanian investment cryptocurrency - ASIC-MultiPool proof ! on: May 14, 2014, 01:31:22 PM

BitLeu [BTL] - The New Eco & Renewable Energy Sustainable Crypto Currency

BitLeu (BitLion) is the King of Crypto-Currencies that brings value through its non-volatile retirement plan and keeps you busy the entire life!

BTL Description

    “The first step is to discover a community and build a currency around it rather than building a currency and expecting everyone to show up.” - Chris Ellis


     BitLeu is an ASIC and MultiPool resistant coin that uses a unique combination of hashing and mixing functions known as Scrypt Jane.

BitLeu is not just an electronic currency; it is a new and sustainable concept that intends to bring the value of the money back in the pockets of our people, within the country and internationally. Thus, BitLeu is a new open source peer-to-peer crypto currency, owned by citizens and businesses of Romania and their friends worldwide.

The idea behind this concept will be enforced by a Foundation, which will have a named President and Members. The President and leading Members of the Foundation will be incorruptible people with ideals higher than gathering large amounts of money for their own benefits. These people are not affiliated in any way with the actual government and money-thirsty leaders. The chosen president will be a well-known and respected person with a high academic rank.

Hello forum users.I am Italian and I apologize for the language, because I do not know English (horror!) and I use the translator. I wanted to know what you think of the new krypton was born: the coin bitleu. To me, the project got me really excited, because it tied to a green/sustainable project and because we see a good investment for the future.Your Italian colleagues, on this same question, I've been taken for a stupid. Some have told me not to know it, other than it's a coin that is worth nothing, others not to invest absolutely because it will end a pump pump. Please let me what you think.Thank you

Everyone should be aware that the whole BitLeu concept is not designed with a mine-and-dump idea in mind. Low block rewards slowly increasing for the first year coupled with the increase of the N-factor will not allow huge farm owners to dump big amounts on exchanges, thus leaving the coin with a very little amount to trade.

We aim to make the BITLEU sustainable, with a strong technical structure and applicable financial strategies to ensure good return to users.

Slogans & Logo

EN translation and meaning of BitLeu:     BitLion - The King of Crypto-Currencies!
RO slogan and meaning:        BitLeu - Regele Cripto-Monedelor Digitale!


Links

Launch Romania:   http://bitenergi.org/event/bitleu-iasi-conference/
Thread EN1:   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=510353.0
Thread EN2:    https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/7835-bitleu-btl-information/
Thread RO1:   http://bitcoin-romania.ro/index.php/board,14.0.html
Thread RO2:   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=510796.0
Mass Media:   TeleM TV & local newspapers at Iasi Bitleu Conference!

Downloads
Sources:           https://github.com/bitleu/bitleu
Windows Wallet:    http://capitalaccent.com/wallet/bitleufinal.zip
Block Crawler:   http://explorer.bitleu.com

Specifications

5 Billion total coins
2.5 Billion coins Premined
2.5 Billion coins for mining in 16 years
Block Time: 60 Seconds
Confirmations Mined Blocks: 30
Transaction Confirmations: 5
Port: 22641
RPCPort: 22640

  • Block 2 - 100,000 = 125 coins
  • Block 100,001 - 200,000 = 250 coins
  • Block 200,001 - 300,000 = 500 coins
  • Block 300,001 - 500,000 = 1000 coins
  • Block 500,001 - 1 000,000 = 2000 coins
  • Block 1,000,001 - 1,500,000 = 1000 coins
  • Block 1,500,001 - 2,000,000 = 500 coins
  • Block 2,000,001 - 2,500,000 = 250 coins
  • Block 2,500,001 - 3,000,000 = 125 coins
  • Block 3,000,001 - 8,500,000 = 50 coins

Bitleu uses Scrypt-Jane library mining with Proof Of Work having a variable n factor.
GPU mining power will decrease slowly and GPU mining will become a lot slower than it was during the start.

This period of mining decreasing power coupled with slowly increased rewards will slowly close the gap between CPU and GPU mining, resulting in more profitable and fair mining rewards for CPU miners also. GPU mining will still always be faster than CPU mining, but the modified nFactor will give Bitleu more long-term scarcity and value.

The BitLeu Foundation & Pre-mine

There will be a total of 5,000,000,000 coins (5 billions)
Premined: 2,500,000,000 (50 %);

After long debates with newly formed development team, we are restructuring the pre-mine section as described below.  

The 50% Pre-mine will be split into separate accounts as follows:

The BitLeu Foundation

The 2% of total coins will go into the new created BitLeu Foundation's fund, which will take care of the delivery and support the spread of coins to population and will have an open book for all the spending. Also, the fund will be used for organization's operational costs used for development and maintenance of BTL. The Foundation can only pay its employees with BTL. It cannot sell them to pay its employees with other currencies.

48% pre-mine will be used to be distributed to Romanians through the Foundation, as follows: the Romanians above 18 years old, the Businesses, and the Development Team, as explained below.

The Romanians
The premined coins will be distributed to National citizens of Romania via their national ID number as proof of identity to receive coins, in the next years, making sure that the coin will have a wide spread. A database will be created for this purpose and the Foundation will play its role in making sure the spread is fair and there will be no people receiving the same amount of money twice. Each Romanian will receive 100 BitLeu coins. The first delivery will take place at the 1st December 2014, the National Day of Romania!

The Businesses
New and established Companies owned by Romanian entrepreneurs within the country and in partnership with foreign friends worldwide will claim be able to claim the premined coins. Only companies that present viable projects developed and powered by BTL will receive the funds, in BTL, of course. Each company will have to use owners IDs and a registration or tax code as a proof of receiving coins. For the first stage, the final date of presenting your BTL business plans on the crowdfunding platform online will be 1st December 2014, the National Day of Romania. Accordingly to the spread of coins for business purpose, there will be more stages, 1st December 2015, etc. This will be announced in detail on BitLeu crowdfunding platform.

The 1st Development Team
In order to increase the actual value of the BitLeu, an amount of premined coins will be allocated to the creator of the coin and to the primary development team, as follows:
- The development of the coin itself: rewards, marketing and advertisements, coding/applications, lawyer consultation for the next steps following the launch.
- The startup and development of the ecological and energy investment projects.
- Any other things pertaining to the development of BitLeu currency.
- Operational costs – this includes rewards and crowdfunding perks for community members who will help the BTL with equipment, servers, development and maintenance of BTL, the BTL Fund operations and so on.

The rewards and perks will be of minimum 1000BTL up to 500,000BTL depending on the contribution made to grow the coin by a person or a community.

What Is Different About BitLeu?

In many people's opinion, the value of a commodity/fiat is something just perceived and not necessarily real. What stands behind the value of it is an idea. The idea of a corrupt system cannot make a strong value for the currency issued by that organization/structure.

Many are afraid about pre-mine, but as anyone can see, BitLeu will have some advantages that not many of the new alt coins have, such as protection from ASICs, spread, a community and a real person as the leader of the Foundation who will guide its members to success.

The Foundation will have its own constitution and it will gather members in associations that will invest their crypto-currency in real-life investment projects, located in Romania and in foreign countries so any administration will not be able to perform bad actions against these ventures. The members of associations will be able to vote on decisions pertaining to each project.

The business projects developed through the legally registered company in the UK, BitEnergi Ltd., will be transparent to its investors and all the profits from these projects will be returned to the private or crowd investors, depending on the constitution of that business organization. Every member involved in a project will be able to actively participate with ideas and physical work in order to succeed with the project.

Through legal crowdfunding platforms any person living in European Union will be able to invest BTL in order to become shareholder in the BitEnergi UK Company.

More details of these projects will come in the next future, after first consulting lawyers, naming the President of the Foundation and the board members. The available mined coins can be already invested in these projects as soon as the Company and the Foundation will create the framework, which will increase the credibility of the currency. Be aware of the fact that this currency/idea was certainly built with the though of being sustainable and not a 'get rich quick scheme'.

What makes our coin different from other crypto-currencies?
- A sustainable currency through long-term real life business and investment projects developed until and after the first delivery.
- Strong protection from ASICs.  
- A community and a real person as the leader of the Foundation.
- A high value currency that can be used not only for trading, but also for profitable investments and for shopping online or off-line.
- The first crypto-currency in the world that offers a valuable and ingenuous non-volatile retirement system.

BitLeu Delivery - 1st December 2014, the National Day of Romania!

The purpose of the "BitLeu Delivery" is to put a significant quantity of BTL in the hands of as many Romanian citizens and businesses as possible.


Phase 1 - Business adoption of BTL as method of payment

Starting with 15th of April 2014, we plan to distribute an incentive of 50,000 BTL to any business that has successfully implemented BTL as a payment method, limited to the first 10 businesses. Launching Phase 1 at least couple months before Phase-II will strengthen BTL as a currency, making it geared more towards real world commerce, rather than speculative in nature. By the time BTL arrives in the hands of the consumers, there will already be many business projects accepting the BTL as means of payment.  


Phase 2 - Individuals
Phase 2 is a Delivery of 100 BTL per Romanian citizen who is able to identify him/her to the satisfaction of the system, for up to 10,000,000 people (about 75% of Romanians that are above 18 years old). This action will be done through a secure online platform, with similar identification system as payment processors or banks are using today. Phase 2 will be divided into few stages, by the end of which unclaimed BTL will be made available to more people. This is of course the most important component for the launch of BTL, and this will be performed by the Foundation. BTL coins remaining after Phase 2 will go into the BitLeu Foundation's Fund.

Phase 3 - The BitLeu Fund: BTLBC / BTLIF / BTLRF  
A. BTLBC - BitLeu Business Credit

This BitLeu Fund will be responsible for the BitLeu Delivery to the Companies that have a sustainable business plan, powered by BTL. It will take care about the BTL Fund for economic development of the BTL market, by using BTL.
B. BTLIF - BitLeu Investment Fund
This fund will invest in Romanian startups, and also will donate to charity and support projects that promote BTL. We work with a lawyer to open our own Registry of Commerce and all startup businesses powered by BitLeu Investment Fund and BitLeu Business Credit will be recorded in this registry.
C. BTLRF - BitLeu Retirement Fund

All Romanians and their worldwide Friends will be able soon to make savvy financial investments that respect and improve the environment. This truly makes sense and it is a low risk, extremely profitable venture. It cleans air and water, and creates homes for many forest animals. Everyone wins, including all the grandchildren yet to be born. Invest your BTL cryptocurrency in a legal environmentally friendly venture.

BitLeu Community Action

BTL currency is sustainable and will last forever! Spread the news, work, mine, trade and invest in BitLeu!

Spread the News through Media!

Vardiff:   http://vardiff.com/coin/bitleu/
Altcoin Calendar:   http://www.altcoincalendar.info/coins/323-BTL
Twitter:   https://twitter.com/BitLeu
Facebook:   https://www.facebook.com/BitLeu
   http://www.facebook.com/romanian.bitleu
Bitleu Manifesto:   http://bitcoin-romania.ro/index.php/topic,434.0.html
Blog:   http://bitenergi.org/blog/

Trade Here!

Bittrex:   https://bittrex.com/Market/?MarketName=BTC-BTL
   https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=LTC-BTL
Exarena:   https://exarena.net/markets/btl-btc/
   https://exarena.net/markets/btl-ltc/
Swaphole:   https://www.swaphole.com/
CryptoAltex:   https://www.cryptoaltex.com/index.php?page=trade&market=BTC&coin=BTL
C-cex:   https://c-cex.com/?p=btl-btc
   https://c-cex.com/?p=btl-usd
Allcoin:   https://www.allcoin.com/trade/btl_btc
   https://www.allcoin.com/trade/btl_ltc
Palth:   https://www.palth.net/market/BTL/BTC
   More will be added soon!

Tools for trading and payments

Charts:   http://crypto-prices.com/BTL
CoinMarketCap:   http://coinmarketcap.com/volume.html#btl
CryptoCoinCharts:   https://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/coins/show/btl
BTL Stick (Trezor):   1,000,000 BTL reward for the creator of a stick for BTL cold storage
Paper Wallet:   400,000 BTL reward for the programmer
Trading Platform:   400,000 BTL reward for the programmer
Pool:   100,000 BTL reward for the programmer

Mine BTL

Official Pool with 0 % Fee: http://btl.crypto-coinz.com
Pool 2:  http://btl.coinsprofit.com
Pool 3:  http://thepool.pw/btl


GPU Miner for AMD download link (courtesy of Thirtybird)   
Source: https://github.com/Thirtybird/YACMiner , starttime is 1394480376
Windows Binaries: https://github.com/Thirtybird/YACMiner/releases
GPU Miner for AMD thread & settings: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=475569.0
GPU Miner for Nvidia download link (courtesy of Christian Buchner): https://github.com/cbuchner1/CudaMiner
GPU Miner for Nvidia thread including links for Windows compiled versions: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167229.0

Invest in BTL Eco & Clean Energy Projects

http://www.BitLeu.org  
http://www.bitleu.ro
http://www.bitenergi.com

Invest your BTL cryptocurrency in a legal environmentally friendly venture. But, what is the non-volatile retirement investment fund and how it works?
The financial crisis and the drop in all major stock markets makes it necessary to invest in safer and nonvolatile funds. There is no better path in investments than property and commodities, but unfortunately, this is inaccessible for the average investor, due to high capital requirements. Now, there is one specific commodity, which generates high return:  timber, especially mahogany.
The most amazing fact about mahogany timber is that the time your investment matures is amazingly short: only 12 years compared to 25 or 35 years, the norm in life insurance.
BitEnergi UK, in cooperation with BitEnergi Philippines, will give you a great chance to secure your future: Grow your assets naturally! The area proposed for investment is Zamboanga del Norte, Dipolog City in the Republic of the Philippines.
There are few things to point out regarding this location: It has a low natural disaster risk, friendly population and it is one of the safest places to live on the earth. The Mahogany tree, Swietenia Macrophylla, grows here the same as in its natural habitat.
BitEnergi is establishing a legal permanent company in Dipolog City that will work in cooperation with DENR – Department of Environment and Natural Resources. We will employ the best forestry engineers to provide a first-class environment for the development of mahogany plantations.
The trees will be registered in the Tree Registry and in our own database that will contain information regarding the owner, GPS coordinates, date of planting and any important data.

BTL Commerce Project
Willing to accept BITLEU as payment?  
Email or PM us and we will promote your business.
Use one of our banners below (coming soon)...  

Giveaway: Work and get rewards, perks
Coin Logo:   20,000 BTL for a winner of coin's design improvement, please contact!
Campaigns:   20,000 BTL for online campaign leaders
Youtube Video:   Minimum 1 min 30 sec - maximum 4 min  = 10,000 BTL each
Faucets:   20,000 for clean, without pop-ups, faucets holders

Crowdfunding Campaigns
Multifinantare.ro:   http://multifinantare.ro
Bitcoin Starter:   https://bitcoinstarter.com
Cryptostocks:   https://cryptostocks.com
Crowdcube:       http://www.crowdcube.com
Indiegogo:       https://www.indiegogo.com
RocketHub:       http://www.rockethub.com
Seedrs:           https://www.seedrs.com/startups

© BTL Development Team
             For your Financial Freedom Forever!

1st Development Team:   BTL-Master
                           Lumberinvestments
                           Crocko
                           Teodor M M
   
1st Marketing Team:        Studeer
                                      Qiwoman
                                      devvienuis
                           Your (nick)name can be here!


8  Local / Alt-Currencies (Italiano) / Re: Sono nuova vorrei aiuto per bitleu. Grazie on: May 08, 2014, 01:32:56 PM
Non faccio promozione.


Tze... si vede lontano un miglio che stai facendo promozione.




FaSan
Ma no, no no. Insomma. Mi ha entusiasmato, ci ho pensato e ne volevo parlare con qualcuno!
Ragazzi io sono una madre di famiglia. Al giorno D' oggi non vedo niente di costruttivo nel futuro. Quando ho letto, tradotto, è cercato di capire queste cose, mi si è' accesa una lampadina. ' oh. Una cosa nuova. Finalmente!' Ho pensato. Non sono una promoter. Ma non importa. Siete liberi di pensare ciò che credete. Grazie ugualmente a tutti per i consigli.


Ad ogni modo non siamo noi che dobbiamo convincerti o farti cambiare idea, se sei convinta di aver trovato l' investimento giusto, liberissima di farlo.. i soldi sono tuoi.

Qui hai migliaia di pagine da leggere e tutti gli strumenti necessari a capire di cosa si stà parlando, come funziona, i pro i contro e così via dicendo.

A differenza del "mondo reale" però considera tutto colpevole fino a prova contraria e non viceversa.




FaSan
Ok. Grazie. Leggero' . In ogni caso si è' offerto di darmi una mano a capire meglio Gianluca95.
9  Local / Alt-Currencies (Italiano) / Re: Sono nuova vorrei aiuto per bitleu. Grazie on: May 07, 2014, 08:15:13 PM
Non faccio promozione.


Tze... si vede lontano un miglio che stai facendo promozione.




FaSan
Ma no, no no. Insomma. Mi ha entusiasmato, ci ho pensato e ne volevo parlare con qualcuno!
Ragazzi io sono una madre di famiglia. Al giorno D' oggi non vedo niente di costruttivo nel futuro. Quando ho letto, tradotto, è cercato di capire queste cose, mi si è' accesa una lampadina. ' oh. Una cosa nuova. Finalmente!' Ho pensato. Non sono una promoter. Ma non importa. Siete liberi di pensare ciò che credete. Grazie ugualmente a tutti per i consigli.
10  Local / Alt-Currencies (Italiano) / Re: Sono nuova vorrei aiuto per bitleu. Grazie on: May 07, 2014, 07:44:17 PM
Mi sembra chiaro che questo più di un thread posto a chiedere supporto sia invece un thread promozionale.

Mi chiedo oggi come si possa solamente pensare di fare un investimento con una cadenza dodicennale.  Huh ... e poi alberi nelle Filippine ? ma per favore...





FaSan
Non faccio promozione. Io ho chiesto supporto. E nello stesso tempo esponendo anche le mie idee. Questo se ho ben capito e' l' unico sito italiano dove si può parlare, liberamente, di queste cose. Io sono nuova. Non sono forse aggiornata sulle cose ma se non trovo il modo di potermi confrontare cosa devo fare? Ho forse questo e' un forum solo per tecnici del settore?
11  Local / Alt-Currencies (Italiano) / Re: Sono nuova vorrei aiuto per bitleu. Grazie on: May 07, 2014, 06:22:39 PM
Certo che ho letto il post di presentazione e ti ripeto, è solo una delle migliaia di scamcoin che escono ogni mese, fatta per fare 4 soldi e poi stop.

Tu investiresti in un progetto che ti da i suoi frutti tra 12 anni, senza uno straccio di garanzia ?
Una moneta poi con un premined del 50% significa solo che chi la crea si tiene il 50% delel monete, aspetta che entrino in un exchange , che valgano qualcosa, poi le vende tutte e ciao a tutti.

Fammi capire meglio. Gli alberi e il progetto eco sostenibile a me sembrano reali. Ci sono pure dei video su youtube. E' tutto falso secondo te? Spiegami per favore, in sostanza che differenza c'è' tra il bitcoin ( quando era agli esordi) e il bitleu. E dimmi, per favore quali sono le altre monete che tu dici essere legate a progetti reali. Come avrai letto, non sono esperta come voi. Ma poi, in fin dei conti se butto via 30€ comprando bitleu, e' tanto grave? Grazie
Perché' l'ipotesi che avevo teorizzato sopra ( gli investitori spregiudicati) era quella pessimistica, ma potrebbe essere anche tutto vero. Forse sta cambiando davvero qualcosa nella società. Forse sta iniziando una rivoluzione non fatta con i forconi ma, con lo sbarazzarsi del dominio delle banche e per promuovere questo tipo di progetti!
12  Local / Alt-Currencies (Italiano) / Re: Sono nuova vorrei aiuto per bitleu. Grazie on: May 07, 2014, 06:18:36 PM
Certo che ho letto il post di presentazione e ti ripeto, è solo una delle migliaia di scamcoin che escono ogni mese, fatta per fare 4 soldi e poi stop.

Tu investiresti in un progetto che ti da i suoi frutti tra 12 anni, senza uno straccio di garanzia ?
Una moneta poi con un premined del 50% significa solo che chi la crea si tiene il 50% delel monete, aspetta che entrino in un exchange , che valgano qualcosa, poi le vende tutte e ciao a tutti.

Fammi capire meglio. Gli alberi e il progetto eco sostenibile a me sembrano reali. Ci sono pure dei video su youtube. E' tutto falso secondo te? Spiegami per favore, in sostanza che differenza c'è' tra il bitcoin ( quando era agli esordi) e il bitleu. E dimmi, per favore quali sono le altre monete che tu dici essere legate a progetti reali. Come avrai letto, non sono esperta come voi. Ma poi, in fin dei conti se butto via 30€ comprando bitleu, e' tanto grave? Grazie
13  Local / Alt-Currencies (Italiano) / Re: Sono nuova vorrei aiuto per bitleu. Grazie on: May 07, 2014, 05:02:07 PM
Ma quali alberi, tra 1-2 mesi questi blitreu non ci saranno più. Se vuoi investire investi in monete con progetti reali
Ciao. Mi piacerebbe sapere se almeno te sei andato a informarti in rete, prima di bocciare una moneta nascente e legata a un progetto reale.
Poi mi piacerebbe sapere da tutti che differenza ci sarebbe tra un bitcoin, che quando è' nato, valeva pochi centesimi e poi, nel tempo si è' legato all' acquisto di beni materiali cosa che ha incrementato il suo valore, e un bitleu che nasce come moneta legata alla compera di alberi, al' interno di un progetto chiamato bitenergia del quale si parlerà il 27 28 giugno in un congresso in Romania. Vorrei sapere quali altre monete hanno progetti reali. E perché questa non sarebbe reale. Ma sopratutto, ripeto, vorrei sapere se qualcuno ha studiato il progetto Bitleu-bitenergi, prima di parlare.
14  Local / Alt-Currencies (Italiano) / Re: Sono nuova vorrei aiuto per bitleu. Grazie on: May 07, 2014, 01:23:49 PM
Buongiorno a tutti.
E' da qualche settimana che mi sto informando sul bitcoin e ho scoperto che esistono anche molte altre monete virtuali. Premetto che l' impulso che avuto verso una maggiore informazione del bitcoin e' stato dettato prima sul concetto della moneta libera dal potere delle banche. Mi è' sembrata una cosa molto rivoluzionaria oltre che nuova. Poi mi sono resa conto che molte persone hanno potuto trarne anche dei guadagni.
In questo periodo di crisi, la possibilità di ricavare qualche guadagno aggiuntivo non mi farebbe schifo.
Ma la questione non è' finita qui. Informandomi in rete ho scoperto, come ho già detto, l' esistenza di molte altre monete virtuali. In particolare mi ha incuriosito il bitleu. Il progetto bitleu ( se ho capito bene,traducendo tutto con google translator) e' legato a un investimento in filippine, su una piantagione eco sostenibile di alberi di mogano. L' investitore dunque vedrebbe il frutto dei propri investimenti solo dopo circa 12 anni ( come un fondo pensionistico ma molto meno lungo). Gli sviluppatori assicurano massima trasparenza ( foto, grafici ecc) e di piantare in località non a rischio disastri. Quello che non capito e' come si fa a investire e se fidarsi.al momento più' o meno ( perdonatemi l'approssimazione) con 200€ comprerei circa 1 milione di bitleu.
Qualcuno ne sa qualcosa? Grazie a tutti.
Intanto grazie a tutti per l'interesse.
Ho fatto anche una bella chiacchierata con Gianluca95, che mi ha posto dei dubbi.
Scusate se insisto e se sono un po' prolissa, abbiate pazienza.
I dubbi ovviamente sono quelli che anche voi avete condiviso, e cioè che il bitleu può essere, in sostanza una fregatura. Per favore, ascoltate la mia teoria nel caso fosse vero: ammettiamo che degli speculatori spregiudicati promuovano la creazione e l'acquisto di BTL, con i quali si potranno comprare degli alberi di mogano. In seguito, il valore del BTL ,cresce negli anni con la crescita delle piantine. Loro avranno tutta la volontà a garantire la buona crescita e la salvaguardia di queste piante, per far alzare il valore della moneta a cui sono legate e poterla così rivendere. Negli anni gli alberi crescono e il prezzo per comprare 1BTL passa da 0,0026 € di ora a, mettiamo 5/6/10 €. Tali speculatori fanno alzare il valore della moneta fino a un massimo ( ad esempio fino al taglio dei tronchi e la successiva vendita); nel frattempo l'acquisto di BTL va alle stelle. Tutti lo voglio e. A quel punto gli speculatori, dopo aver venduto l'impossibile, che ne so, danno fuoco alla piantagione. Chi ha comprato BTL  rimane con un pugno di cenere....
Il BTL non vale niente ora. Per forza, e' appena nato e non ha niente di materiale dietro , siccome la creazione di BTL e' legata a un progetto di riforestazione, col passare del tempo acquisterà valore, perché legato alla crescita delle piante. L'obiettivo è' proprio quello secondo me: prendere una moneta che non vale niente e farla diventare un'altro fenomeno BTC. L'obiettivo è' quello di invogliare gli utenti a comprarla( si compra una moneta virtuale con monete vere). Il bene di lucro non sono le piante di mogano ma la moneta in se stessa.
Dunque. Detto questo. Se io compro o creo BTL ( comprandoli ora e' roba da poco; ieri ho parlato di 200€ ma ne basterebbero 30, se l'intente degli speculatori e' quello di riottenere un effetto BTC), potrei tenere d'occhio la piantagione e rivendere un po' prima del picco massimo di rivalutazione della moneta. Per capirsi. Loro parlano di un investimento di 12 anni ( il tempo che ci vuole per far crescere le piante); io potrei vendere dopo 10. Che ne pensate?
15  Local / Alt-Currencies (Italiano) / Sono nuova vorrei aiuto per bitleu. Grazie on: May 06, 2014, 11:14:46 AM
Buongiorno a tutti.
E' da qualche settimana che mi sto informando sul bitcoin e ho scoperto che esistono anche molte altre monete virtuali. Premetto che l' impulso che avuto verso una maggiore informazione del bitcoin e' stato dettato prima sul concetto della moneta libera dal potere delle banche. Mi è' sembrata una cosa molto rivoluzionaria oltre che nuova. Poi mi sono resa conto che molte persone hanno potuto trarne anche dei guadagni.
In questo periodo di crisi, la possibilità di ricavare qualche guadagno aggiuntivo non mi farebbe schifo.
Ma la questione non è' finita qui. Informandomi in rete ho scoperto, come ho già detto, l' esistenza di molte altre monete virtuali. In particolare mi ha incuriosito il bitleu. Il progetto bitleu ( se ho capito bene,traducendo tutto con google translator) e' legato a un investimento in filippine, su una piantagione eco sostenibile di alberi di mogano. L' investitore dunque vedrebbe il frutto dei propri investimenti solo dopo circa 12 anni ( come un fondo pensionistico ma molto meno lungo). Gli sviluppatori assicurano massima trasparenza ( foto, grafici ecc) e di piantare in località non a rischio disastri. Quello che non capito e' come si fa a investire e se fidarsi.al momento più' o meno ( perdonatemi l'approssimazione) con 200€ comprerei circa 1 milione di bitleu.
Qualcuno ne sa qualcosa? Grazie a tutti.
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