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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Silk Road Founder Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison on: June 06, 2015, 06:51:30 PM
Ulbricht is no more of a villain than he is a hero. It's a sad story right now. His legal team pigeonholed him by claiming ownership of SR, but not ownership of the server. His country defrauded him of the very freedoms it defends by a process that doesn't align with its Constitution. It's sad.

Full opinion here: https://coinslists.info/index.php/2015/05/30/when-the-punishment-doesnt-fit-the-crime/
2  Other / Off-topic / Re: If BTC goes to $1000 or more, what would you do? on: March 09, 2015, 06:46:21 PM
The obvious and only correct response is to panic buy at that price point.
3  Bitcoin / Legal / The Curious Case of Burt's Bitcoin...and how it may apply to you on: March 09, 2015, 06:38:38 PM
The case of BurtW (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934268.0) got me thinking about how we might all be one of the many permutations of a Money Services Business (MSB). Apparently a MSB includes any person or loosely organized but unincorporated group of people that sells or redeems anything of stored value in amounts greater than $1000 per day. There is no requirement for the activity to be done for profit or as a fee for service that requires registering as an MSB.

Forgive the copy/paste from fincen.gov, but their guidance is clearer than I could otherwise summarize it.

From fincen.gov:

Money Services Business - The term "money services business" includes any person doing business, whether or not on a regular basis or as an organized business concern, in one or more of the following capacities:

(1) Currency dealer or exchanger.
(2) Check casher.
(3) Issuer of traveler's checks, money orders or stored value.
(4) Seller or redeemer of traveler's checks, money orders or stored value.
(5) Money transmitter.
(6) U.S. Postal Service.

An activity threshold of greater than $1,000 per person per day in one or more transactions applies to the definitions of: currency dealer or exchanger; check casher; issuer of traveler's checks, money orders or stored value; and seller or redeemer of travelers' checks, money orders or stored value. The threshold applies separately to each activity -- if the threshold is not met for the specific activity, the person engaged in that activity is not an MSB on the basis of that activity.
 
No activity threshold applies to the definition of money transmitter. Thus, a person who engages as a business in the transfer of funds is an MSB as a money transmitter, regardless of the amount of money transmission activity.

Notwithstanding the previous discussion, the term "money services business" does not include:

•   A bank, as that term is defined in 31 CFR 1010.100(d) (formerly 31 CFR 103.11(c)), or
•   A person registered with, and regulated or examined by, the Securities and Exchange Commission or the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.
For the complete regulatory definition of "money services business", see 31 CFR 1010.100(ff) (formerly 31 CFR 103.11(uu)).
Note: Each money services business (MSB) is a financial institution. For the regulatory definition of "financial institution," see 31 CFR 1010.100(t) (formerly 31 CFR 103.11(n)).

Person - A "person" is an individual, a corporation, a partnership, a trust or estate, a joint stock company, an association, a syndicate, joint venture, or other unincorporated organization or group, an Indian Tribe (as that term is defined in the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act), and all entities cognizable as legal personalities.
31 CFR 1010.100(mm) (formerly 31 CFR 103.11 (z))

Financial Institution - A "financial institution" includes any person doing business in one or more of the following capacities:

(1) bank (except bank credit card systems);
(2) broker or dealer in securities;
(3) money services business;
(4) telegraph company;
(5) casino;
(6) card club;
(7) a person subject to supervision by any state or federal bank supervisory authority.

For the regulatory definition of "financial institution," see 31 CFR 1010.100(t) (formerly 31 CFR 103.11(n)).

End copy/paste.

If you have EVER transacted more than $1000 worth of bitcoin in a single day in exchange for currency, gift cards, or any other item of stored value; you might be considered a MSB in the eyes of the authorities. Does gyft.com avoid this guidance by using BitPay and Coinbase that act as MSBs? If you want to trade bitcoin for gold and the value for either exceeds $1000; are you now the MSB if you don’t use a registered payment processor to cover your ass?

The only public document currently available relating to BurtW’s arrest stems from a grand jury indictment that states that he, “did knowingly conduct, control, manage, supervise, direct, or own all or part of an unlicensed money transmitting business affecting interstate and foreign commerce, to wit, a digital currency exchange business which (A) operated without an appropriate money transmitting license in a state where such operation is punishable as a misdemeanor or felony under state law; (B) failed to comply with the money transmitting business regulations under Section 5330 of Title 31, United States Code, and regulations prescribed thereunder; and (C) involved the transport and transmission of funds that were known to the defendant to have been derived from a criminal offense and were intended to be used to promote and support unlawful activity; all in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1960."

It is probably fair to say that according to FINCEN guidance, BurtW has some legal troubles with (A) and (B) outlined in the complaint. Item (C) offers no evidence to support the claim that he was aware with any criminal activity associated with the “funds”. The arrest warrant and all details relating to arrest seem as if they are sealed in accordance with the (un)Patriot(ic) Act. The remainder of the complaint exercises the state’s right to extort the innocent (until proven guilty) of any and all real property that ever touched Burt’s bitcoin.

Classifying peer to peer trade as interstate commerce adds a layer of obscurity to the prosecution’s claims in Burt’s case. Since bitcoin is stored and transacted in a distributed manner, it is likely that the court will agree that all bitcoin transactions are a form of interstate commerce rather than local trade. It is a sad day when peer to peer trade suddenly falls under the jurisdiction of every three letter agency imaginable.
 
The guidance offered by FINCEN and the subsequent actions by enforcement agencies clearly target individuals rather than actual businesses. Conveniently, banks and those under the regulation of the SEC are explicitly excluded from abiding by these FINCEN guidelines. New York’s Bitlicense proposal also seeks to exempt banks like Western Union from any further regulation at the request of Western Union.

Are individuals now responsible for performing expensive and time consuming due diligence and documentation for mundane transfers of value that total more than $1000 in a 24 hour period? $1000 isn’t what it used to be. The low threshold of value that qualifies an individual as a MSB clearly targets peer to peer trade rather than interstate commerce. Might many of us unknowingly be committing crimes that are unavoidable if we choose to use bitcoin at all?

Peer to peer trade should not fall within the scope of FINCEN and law enforcement unless that trade is clearly harming or threatening harm to another individual. It is unreasonable to expect an individual who trades property and instruments of value for any reason to research the history, origin, and future use of said property or value. Selling firearms in a peer to peer manner has less legal implications and requirements than trading bitcoin in many states.
 
Why the fuck is bitcoin considered property for the IRS but money for the purposes of FINCEN? Guidance should be uniform and not conflict with guidance presented from agencies within the same jurisdiction.

Citizens must insist that the legislative and executive branches practice truth when titling legislation. The Patriot Act is a reverse acronym that stands for "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001." Nowhere in the law does the legislation increase the likelihood of a citizen gaining life, liberty, happiness, or increasing ones’ love of country as a result of the legislation. It is confusing. Legislation deceives, guidance from authorities is confounding; and overzealous enforcement agencies capitalize on the situation at the expense of individual freedom and personal property.

It may come to light that BurtW was a knowing participant in an elaborate money laundering scheme that facilitated the actions of criminals. Until that happens, Burt and his family are victims of an elaborate extortion plot at the hands of those that are commissioned to uphold the Constitution of the United States. How did we get to this point?

“The essence of fascism is to make laws forbidding everything and then enforce them selectively against your enemies.”
― John Lescroart

“The form of government which communicates ease, comfort, security, or, in one word, happiness, to the greatest number of persons, and in the greatest degree, is the best.”
– John Adams, Thoughts on Government.

 “Fear is the foundation of most governments.”
– John Adams

“It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished. But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, “whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection,” and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever.”
– John Adams
4  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Looking for a TRUSTED buyer on: August 22, 2014, 06:15:41 PM
Completed trade with J.Socal. Totally satisfied with communication and process.
5  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Looking for a TRUSTED buyer on: August 19, 2014, 10:57:32 PM
I'll buy via Localbit, I can buy 5 coins.

Working a deal with J.Socal right now and will post once the deal is done. We have been in talks for a bit now. This guy seems straight up if anyone is looking for coin.
6  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Buying BTC with $500 Moneypak, willing to pay bitstamp +10% on: August 14, 2014, 06:03:33 PM
I can likely do this later if you haven't found someone at that time. We can escrow the BTC if you like. I will pay escrow fee. I suggest Danny Hamilton for escrow.
7  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: looking to sell 0.735 BTC for vanilla reloadit or whatver can load a NETSPEND on: August 14, 2014, 05:38:02 PM
sorry already cmpleted with maidak

All good. Thank you for updating.
8  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: looking to sell 0.735 BTC for vanilla reloadit or whatver can load a NETSPEND on: August 14, 2014, 04:58:57 PM
Selling 0.735 BTC only to trustworthy reuptable buyers with green feedback such as maidak , dannyhamilton , loureed ...ETC....> any of the other trusted senior members here. i will send first if your background and vouches checks out. please only vanilla relaodits or NETSPEND reload packs or anything that can reload a netspend card

Let's use escrow for the bitcoin. I suggest Danny Hamilton. Do you prefer vanilla reload or reloadit? I think both will reload your card. You are responsible for knowing what methods you accept. I will pay stamp -2.5%. We can get this done today if YOU are willing to escrow. I will pay DH a tip for his escrow service so it will cost you nothing.
9  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is bitcoin stable now? on: August 08, 2014, 02:10:43 AM
I honestly believe bitcoin will continue rising, possibly even to the $1k mark.
Simply because more and more people are becoming involved with it.

This thread seems a little speculative, but I am going t try and steer clear of that in an effort to keep it in the main forum.

Bitcoin is stable enough for two things at this point:

1) BTC is an excellent mid-term storage of value.
2) BTC is an excellent medium of exchange for goods and services for those that either liquidate the BTC or HODL for the mid-term.

We are nowhere near BTC having a stable price in terms of fiat. I fully expect wild swings in the near term.

As a protocol, bitcoin is more stable than the device you are reading right now.
10  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: 0.2 FEE!!!! ? am i missing something? on: August 08, 2014, 02:04:23 AM
So what is the recommended transaction fee to input manually to guarantee this does not happen? This is making me scared to make transactions now.

0.0002 here

0.0001 gets me very high priority on most of my transactions. If they were higher value Tx, I would include more of a fee.

I use BC.I quite a bit and have not had the OP's problem. However, I read a similar thread several months ago that described a similar issue. I have paid VERY close attention since then.

This was likely OP error all the way. If the OP can track the miner down, I'm certain he will get a refund. We bitcoiners are like that.
11  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Alex Jones is pro-BTC, says his store will begin to accept as payment... on: August 08, 2014, 01:57:00 AM
This guy seems to be kinda, well crazy.....

Um...yeah. For whatever reason he really puts me off too. He draws listeners and accepts/endorses bitcoin so I'm good with this news. I appreciate that he's not on the fence, but he is just a little too far away from the fence for me.

I have a genuine distaste for goldbugs even though I like bitcoin for some of the same reasons. AJ turns me off.
12  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is like cash under the mattress on: August 01, 2014, 05:36:02 AM
One side of Bitcoin is the powerful, decentralized peer-to-peer authority-free part. The other side is the hassle and burden for people to manage the cumbersome storage of their bitcoins or trust some authority to secure their bitcoins. That latter part truly sucks. It's like going back a century when people had to store cash under the mattress or go to a bank with their money.

Something needs to be done to solve this problem. What is needed is for the bitcoins to be automatically secure. For example by introducing a personal ID system so that the bitcoins on the block chain are uniquely identified that way and thereby effortlessly and trustlessly secure.

When you cash a check at the bank and carry the cash with you; it is only as secure as you make it. The same is true for bitcoin.
13  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Circle going live? on: August 01, 2014, 05:34:47 AM
No invite yet, but I am patiently waiting.
14  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Domain Names versus Bitcoin? on: August 01, 2014, 05:33:01 AM
BITCOIN IS AS SOLID AS A KEYWORD .COM IMO

Not only that but domain campers are scum that hold people's adoption of the Internet to ransom whereas just holding bitcoin cost's no one else anything.

Welcome back to the civilized world!

I buy both BTC and domains; but I don't squat on domains. I intend to do something with the domains. I have secured vanity 800/888/866 numbers and been offered and accepted healthy sums for phone numbers.

I wish the OP all the success in the world with his/her endeavors.
15  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The best Bitcoin cold storage? on: August 01, 2014, 05:18:59 AM
In light of this:

http://www.wired.com/2014/07/usb-security/

CoinKee is transitioning to CoinPro (no USB - LiveCD only):

http://coinpro.me





This is a good move considering the recent USB firmware hack that came to light. I can't find the link at the moment, but suffice it to say I didn't know USB firmware could do that shit.  I hate discs altogether, but it seems that lo-tek old school is proving more and more secure every day.
16  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What Bitcoin did for me on: August 01, 2014, 05:08:17 AM
I love these stories. Thank you for sharing.
17  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Looking for a TRUSTED buyer on: August 01, 2014, 05:00:03 AM
Want to buy 5 BTC @ bitstamp when funds arrive. Will send funds overnight on 08/01/2014 if BTC are available. Check PM.
18  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Just asked leanpub if they accepted bitcoins, this is what I got... on: July 29, 2014, 11:53:42 PM
Holy shit, they're actually waiting for Paypal to integrate Bitcoin? Undecided

WTF, the whole idea of using Bitcoin is to get rid of Paypal, along with banks, credit card companies, and other slow, expensive, restricted, monopolistic, insecure crap.


Amen
19  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Chase Bank Closes Bitcoin related accounts on: July 29, 2014, 11:51:52 PM
Smoothie, I have followed your investment advise and posts extensively. I'm guessing you have personally had this experience w/ Chase. The legacy banking system does not like people playing with their monopoly on money movement. You know this I'm sure.

I am not nearly as savvy as you, but I am currently unbanked except one account where I carry a ZERO balance. It is difficult to navigate this terrain, but I manage because I am committed to my principles. Sometimes this means eating out at only chains that accept Gyft. I hate chains, but I love bitcoin.

In order to be unbanked and have some accumulated wealth; sacrifices must be made. Being unbanked has led to me accumulating more than I otherwise could have by way of hodling due to circumstance. I am also forced to have a trusted network of family and friends that allow me to use multiple prepaid cards in their names.

I hate that this keeps happening, but...Cash and BTC work just fine in most instances. For everything else there is a prepaid reloadable card.
20  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When Buying Groceries...would you use BTC, GOOG or USD...? on: July 29, 2014, 11:27:18 PM
Once BTC becomes easier to rebuy (I think coinbase has this option), I'd buy everything with BTC; especially if I was greeted with a discount like many merchants are doing.

This is a no-brainer for both merchant and customer. Secure funds, discount, irreversible transaction - ummm yeah!

I buy and sell BTC. The hardest part for me is getting more BTC quickly. The rest is easy. Once it becomes easy for everyday users, we all will wish we had more BTC.
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