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Could you just fuck off? Pure FUD and nonsense. The math also doesn't account for it. NEM distribution had 1200+ veteran accounts on Bitcointalk back in March 2014. If those 1200 had 1800 socks then it is still an initial distribution of 1200 which is better than the initial distribution of Bitcoin and every other alternate. The thing is veteran accounts can also be socks. Not saying that's the case, but it's possible. These numbers are completely meaningless in any case. Don't understand why people even bring this up, as if it is somehow tied to the value of NEM. |
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abstraktalias
its fairly obvious to me that you are a sock account(not accusation, just opinion).. if i am right, which i think i am, may i ask why you chose not to post from your real account?
Well you're entitled to your opinion I guess, but it's disappointing that some relatively simple questions can't be answered logically. I only own one account on BTT, this one I'm posting from, that's it. Been a fan of NEM since late February. Still think it has great potential. I'm not here to spread FUD, I'd prefer to participate in something resembling a meaningful discussion, but maybe that's an unrealistic expectation on my part. Is it not possible to support NEM and still question some of decisions made by the devs? What will happen with the 250 000 NEM taken from each unclaimed stake every month? What are the options moving forward with unclaimed stakes? When and how will a decision be made? These aren't hard to answer. Please try your best to answer them without getting overwhelmed by emotions or making false accusations. Thank you for your efforts abstratalias,, and now tell us what is your intension? Iam a original stakeholder, and iam glad to be part of this movement,, if the devs havent done so much, you wouldnt have the opportunity to be here and ask some stupid questions, it seems realy you try to break down the value of NEM. You should be happy to be a part, but everything what you are talking is FUD, all the time. STFU now and let the devs doin there work, and in my opinion they do fucking nice job, and support all "real" nemsters. so STFU with your fud and enjoy the ride. Wow some of you people are fucking retarded, all I want to know is how the unclaimed stakes will be used. Also I want some legit proof that the devs themselves don't already have a many sock accounts themselves just like Utopian Future. This is turning into some weird totalitarian type shit. Yes leader. We love you leader. |
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abstraktalias
its fairly obvious to me that you are a sock account(not accusation, just opinion).. if i am right, which i think i am, may i ask why you chose not to post from your real account?
Well you're entitled to your opinion I guess, but it's disappointing that some relatively simple questions can't be answered logically. I only own one account on BTT, this one I'm posting from, that's it. Been a fan of NEM since late February. Still think it has great potential. I'm not here to spread FUD, I'd prefer to participate in something resembling a meaningful discussion, but maybe that's an unrealistic expectation on my part. Is it not possible to support NEM and still question some of decisions made by the devs? What will happen with the 250 000 NEM taken from each unclaimed stake every month? What are the options moving forward with unclaimed stakes? When and how will a decision be made? These aren't hard to answer. Please try your best to answer them without getting overwhelmed by emotions or making false accusations. |
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For those people the same amount of BTC was still in their wallets, providing they could access them (i.e. didn't throw out the hard drive/PC that held them).
This is just sheer negligence - negligence that shouldn't be a burden on the developers part. It is the investors responsibility, not theirs. If i were an investor in anything, i'd be making more of an effort on my part to at least follow it on a weekly or at least monthly basis, especially in a fast paced and rather volatile market such as crypto's. BTC was also a major exception to the rule - there were no crypto markets then, peoples negligence was somewhat justified. Things are different now. Some people have lives that don't allow them the free time to post on BTT on a daily basis. Most accounts here on BTT (roughly 99%) that are active on a daily basis are newbies, day traders, sockpuppets, scammers, fraudster and charlatans. NOT INVESTORS. Anyone who thinks otherwise in beyond naive. So is it really so demanding that they at least spend a few hours a night, maybe once or twice a month, to follow their investment and the terms in which they may need to abide by to claim? How is it possibly the fault of the devs if people are so flippant and care free that they just throw money at projects and expect -- no, demand -- some sort of reimbursement of what little efforts they put in? Come up with a reasonable solution to deal with unclaimed stakes. Don't redistribute them to other investors. Don't keep them for yourselves to help develop NEM. I do believe it's ultimately the people who participate in these currencies that make them what they are - which is why, to some extent, i'm with you on not keeping it aside as a "development fund". However, given that too many people just throw money at this project, and not follow it, are they really individuals who can provide something to NEM and it's ecosystem? or have they proven that they're simply in it for a quick buck, their own gains, and washing their hands of it once they're satisfied? At least having some sort of redemption limit, some sort of terms that it requires people to show some vested interest. How this distribution is dealt with will determine whether or not I'll remain interested in NEM longterm. In the end, this is what most people will do regardless of the outcome. It's unfortunate you'd feel that way but really, in my perspective; it's your loss. Thanks for the well thought out replies. I actually appreciate the fact that you answered them logically. The thing is regardless of how active or not those initial investors are/were they still providing something, their initial investment (in BTC), which allowed the project to be developed further. That initial funding is participating in a sense, though indirectly. If it was my project I'd want to thank those people who initially had faith in me, by making sure they got a return on their investment. It's really not a huge burden on the developer's part either. You give a month to the active community to claim their stake before official launch and then hold the unclaimed ones and distribute them once a month there after. It's not a daunting task or an unreasonable request. Anyways it's a mute point for me as I'm not on that original list, but I also still want to see the issue dealt with properly as I can't imagine the solutions suggested so far would do anything to help the reputation of NEM in the future. Learn from NXT's mistakes, that's always been NEM's advantage. |
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even if you call this an ipo then what type of an investor you are if you do not check your investment?
Exactly, I have some shares (I mean non-crypto shares). I check the prices everyday and I check news about companies at least once a week (but mostly more often). As you've noted NEM is not IPO, but if it would and someone is not checking the status, he shouldn't be called investor, but a fraudster. What a ridiculous statement.  There were many people who bought hundreds or even thousands BTC from 2009-2011 and did in fact forget about it or didn't follow the price fluctuations on a daily basis until BTC started reaching new ATH's and making headlines. Once BTC started to gain some mainstream attention, those same people said "Wait Bitcoin, I think I bought some of those a couple of years ago, let me check." For those people the same amount of BTC was still in their wallets, providing they could access them (i.e. didn't throw out the hard drive/PC that held them). It's not like the total number of BTC reduced by 25%, 50% then 75% after each month that passed. Is it not possible that some people thought that NEM looked like a promising project back in January or February, threw some BTC at it while it was extremely cheap (less than 1 BTC) than simply said I'll check back in 6 to 12 months and see if it's worth claiming or worth anything? I would think that has happened at least a few times. Part of being a long term investor is not checking the price on a daily basis and just believing that project/company itself has a promising future. Some people have lives that don't allow them the free time to post on BTT on a daily basis. Most accounts here on BTT (roughly 99%) that are active on a daily basis are newbies, day traders, sockpuppets, scammers, fraudster and charlatans. NOT INVESTORS. Anyone who thinks otherwise in beyond naive. Come up with a reasonable solution to deal with unclaimed stakes. Don't redistribute them to other investors. Don't keep them for yourselves to help develop NEM. And don't reduce the number someone bought regardless of how active or not active they are. Those stakes still belong to them and that's how it should remain. They should be able to claim them whenever they want period. No other solution is reasonable. You can still launch NEM, it's not like unclaimed stakes are holding back the process. All other decisions regarding unclaimed stakes are driven by greed and nothing else, which is the opposite if what attracted me to this community to begin with. How this distribution is dealt with will determine whether or not I'll remain interested in NEM longterm. Blaa blaa, how that "investor" tought that he will have those NEM transfered to him if he didnt pay any attention. Poorly made effort compare with BTC, after launch you could so so but not now It's not that they thought they should be transfer directly to them, it's that there shouldn't be a deadline for them to claim plain and simple. Unclaimed stakes have nothing to do with launching NEM. I don't like how immature/greedy people are getting here. Not looking good. |
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The truth is it doesn't matter what we do. People will come and say it was unfair we didn't give them enough time and we hare literally Hitler. It's frustrating but that how btt works. Time to leave btt and completely communicate over forum.nemcoin.com.
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Yeah I understand where you're frustration is coming from, but this is exactly the wrong way to go about things.
What's wrong with just putting the amount of unclaimed stakes away in storage until people want to claim them? What's the rush to get rid of them?
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even if you call this an ipo then what type of an investor you are if you do not check your investment?
Exactly, I have some shares (I mean non-crypto shares). I check the prices everyday and I check news about companies at least once a week (but mostly more often). As you've noted NEM is not IPO, but if it would and someone is not checking the status, he shouldn't be called investor, but a fraudster. What a ridiculous statement. There were many people who bought hundreds or even thousands BTC from 2009-2011 and did in fact forget about it or didn't follow the price fluctuations on a daily basis until BTC started reaching new ATH's and making headlines. Once BTC started to gain some mainstream attention, those same people said "Wait Bitcoin, I think I bought some of those a couple of years ago, let me check." For those people the same amount of BTC was still in their wallets, providing they could access them (i.e. didn't throw out the hard drive/PC that held them). It's not like the total number of BTC reduced by 25%, 50% then 75% after each month that passed. Is it not possible that some people thought that NEM looked like a promising project back in January or February, threw some BTC at it while it was extremely cheap (less than 1 BTC) than simply said I'll check back in 6 to 12 months and see if it's worth claiming or worth anything? I would think that has happened at least a few times. Part of being a long term investor is not checking the price on a daily basis and just believing that project/company itself has a promising future. Some people have lives that don't allow them the free time to post on BTT on a daily basis. Most accounts here on BTT (roughly 99%) that are active on a daily basis are newbies, day traders, sockpuppets, scammers, fraudster and charlatans. NOT INVESTORS. Anyone who thinks otherwise in beyond naive. Come up with a reasonable solution to deal with unclaimed stakes. Don't redistribute them to other investors. Don't keep them for yourselves to help develop NEM. And don't reduce the number someone bought regardless of how active or not active they are. Those stakes still belong to them and that's how it should remain. They should be able to claim them whenever they want period. No other solution is reasonable. You can still launch NEM, it's not like unclaimed stakes are holding back the process. All other decisions regarding unclaimed stakes are driven by greed and nothing else, which is the opposite if what attracted me to this community to begin with. How this distribution is dealt with will determine whether or not I'll remain interested in NEM longterm. |
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Now I see that he sold all of his NEMStakes and crashed a price. He must be really loosing it!  not bothered by it all.. No one else seemed to have any issue getting it working.. No harm just means better distribution.. It's not market manipulation or lose of mind.. He knows exactly what he is doing. It is quite a bad karma to distribute a redemption software that does not work AND place a deadline on it. So no, it is NOT about flukes in a beta software, and no, it is NOT about a (relatively liberal) deadline. As he wrote, it is that COMBINATION of those negative factors that he found unacceptable, not any one of the two alone. Anyone may or may not conclude that for themselves, but it is not really rational to deny that as a valid argument. It may be a rational argument but it is being brought forward in an irrational manner. The only thing that matters is that the argument is rational. There are so many problems that can potentially arise during the distribution process that I decided to sell my stake last week just to avoid the inevitable set backs that will occur & complaints that will come as a result. The way the distribution of NEMstakes on the AE was handled didn't instil confidence in me that the real distribution would handled any better and this time it's a much more complicated process. Good luck, I hope it's executed flawlessly, but for now I'm just going to watch how this all plays out. |
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Now I see that he sold all of his NEMStakes and crashed a price. He must be really loosing it! not bothered by it all.. No one else seemed to have any issue getting it working.. No harm just means better distribution.. It's not market manipulation or lose of mind.. He knows exactly what he is doing. Yeah, but the wallet still doesn't work on a Mac. |
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Cryptsi team is still here, and our loyal gang of 8 bloggers, and 4 trolls.
Just curious, do you consider me a blogger or a troll?  Seriously, this is a problem. Once you've fallen off the radar it's hard to get the attention of potential users again. At the very least there should be an effort to identify a (big) list of cryptocoin journalists and a plan to contact them via email with the Incredible Crypti Return From The Dead story. Hopefully by Halloween. Taking a part the red and yellow text I usually like what you write, it's different, although often too much tech for me to fully grasp it Personally I am probably inbetween, having trying to quit smoking cigarettes the last few days I'm more edgy than usual! So apologize for that I have offered my opinion on going customchains/supernet > PoT as customchains don't have much work on it left, I have spoken good about supernet several times and I still hold that view that it will give much more exposure than contacting a few journalists. If customchains were to be done in 2-3 weeks it would offer significant features XCR gains > exposure, more users, more transactions, and the XCR user has chance to use more features what XCR "gives" > customchains feature. As for features that XCR can use by joining, there are a few mostly its good for exposure to network/activity etc, But I think most importantly what XCR can use by joining is to get a large userbase to use their technology. (CCs) So in short the only thing XCR really "gives" supernet is the custom chains technology which needs a userbase and developers anyway... First exposure it would get? The 20-30 developers within supernet or around it with their respective coins.. I've seen it being discussed, but I just don't see where the downside it, there used to be a majority as to joining in the foundation, but seems like this is no longer the case. "We don't have anything to give" This can be changed by changing priorities as I understand there's someone else working PoT right now. As for making my case, the only "downside" that I can possibly see in this from what I gather from foundation, is the portraying that jl777 is some big bad wolf, some internet gangster with millions of dollars of blackmoney stuffed under in his bed, running from the feds hiding in Argentina because he's a mad bad criminal (rly?) when in reality, he's probably just some pale faced teenagergeek who's been coding 16 hours a day since early december for NXT. I think the even most bizarre part is all these stories people throw around as truths are coming from a guy (BM) who's blackmailed people on this very forum, doxxed single mums trying to get them fired from their employees, stolen 100 BTC are are still here to professionally troll. Read his first post about him, you'll find every word he says plausible, read 10-15 more and you'll realize he's batshit insane. Not to go OT here but with all that being said, nothing will change as to joining supernet, it's not possible for jl to be able to do any damage to XCR anyway, even if he'd want. As for buying the 10%, I don't see how that's negative, if some whale would walk into here tomorrow and buy 10% nobody would care, if anything, snet 10% would get them motivated to push custom chains further, and add more value than any other private investor would for that matter It just all seems to come down to making business decisions for this coins future over having disagreements over someones handle online. Which to me, frankly, is kinda sad, I see no other reason to shut this decision out, since I've done research on jl and formed my opinion, it can't be a negative thing about his work, since like I have said he's running a lot of things simultaneously, and all of them hold value, working 16 hours a day for nearly a year now. Why not invite talented developers, other coindevelopers to use customchains, when customchains is only worthwhile if someone is using it? It just makes no sense to me.. I've been trying these last 2 days to figure it out, different angles and scenarios, but I can't for the life of me figure out why on earth this doesnt make sense to anyone else as the right path to go? XCR doesn't become supernet, they can still do whatever they want you know? All there is is some features across the platform a stronger network.. etc. I am still scratching my head on this one.. just can't for the life of me figure out. If it's turning down a good opportunity over personal bias... well it's too damn bad, because I fail to see who he is would matter at all for XCR. And going snet/customchains > then PoT would be 110% best option. There's just so much XCR stands go gain, and also supernet stands to gain. It's just such unrealistic how perfect the match is. Also, if you think I am biased... I don't hold a single UNITY or any supernet asset, if someone gives me a way to prove it I will. I just want what's best for XCR... really Just doesn't make sense at all to me.. I just can't for the life of me figure out the reason as to why. And if the underlying thought to all is that "NXT is a total scam!" the Coinbox is a brilliant idea, designed to you know... mostly work alongside NXT.. so theres that.. Makes no sense to oppose this, the more and more I think about it, the more it just messes with my mind. Never in the history of alts have I seen such a partnership that makes so ridiculously much sense to me. It's just like.. a business deal where the only thing needed from XCRs end to get all the benefits of the deal is like XCR is a newly started shoe store with no customers, and SuperNET is all the other shoe stores in town, and Supernet let you put all XCRs shoes in their stores and when customers tries it on and wants to buy it, they get the "No we dont sell it, you have to go to XCRs store to buy it. Sorry but it's right on 57th broadstreet.." Some good points. In theory XCR has some great ideas and potential advanced technology at least with custom blockchains, but the problem is knows about it or cares. Are you the only one pushing the superNET idea? Doesn't seem like anyone else even cares to discuss it. I remember the devs were pretty against it about a month, but haven't done much since then to validate that stance. We'll see what happens once the custom blockchain technology is released (if ever) and hopefully take it from there. |
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I'm trying to download the NXT wallet for OS X version 1.3.
Does anyone know how long the database update is supposed to take, so that I can sign in to my account? Thanks.
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Can someone help me please. I'm not super tech savvy.
I've trying to access my NXT wallet for a couple of weeks to no avail. Before logging into my account I get the following message...
A new version of the Nxt client is available (1.2.6). Would you like to update?
If I remember correctly there was a problem a few versions back because bitbucket changed url format, so client update didn't work. Just download the new client manually, and overwrite the current one. https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/I tried downloading 1.3 from the NXT website, but it doesn't seem to be working either or does it just take hours to download the blockchain? |
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Can someone help me please. I'm not super tech savvy.
I've trying to access my NXT wallet for a couple of weeks to no avail. Before logging into my account I get the following message...
A new version of the Nxt client is available (1.2.6). Would you like to update?
When I click OK, I get this message. The hash of the downloaded update does not equal the one supplied by the blockchain. Aborting update.
Then if I log in it just downloads the block chain for hours without me being able to do anything within the wallet.
Anyone else having this problem? Thanks in advance for any help.
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just quick (maybe silly) question, there will be max cap of SuperNET for ICO? or it will be decided other way, dynamically?
The more it collets the better for everybody in SuperNet. This is not like Ethereum. Explain. |
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Anyone else having problems withdrawing/depositing XCR on Cryptsy?
last week when they stated trading, it took 24 hours to get XCR credited. They blamed it on having the wrong wallet. It took me 36 hours to get BTC deposit credited at Cryptsy a few days ago. Thanks for your reply. I got them finally, but it took 48 hours. |
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Anyone else having problems with the NXT wallet? I want to buy more NEMstake, but it seems to be downloading the blockchain for the last couple of days.
Any advise would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Anyone else having problems withdrawing/depositing XCR on Cryptsy?
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I liked doge and am a proud but sad bag holder. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone is coming to save it. Allowing merged mining with Litecoin wont help it as all that will happen is people will dump their merge mined doge. It still has a decent community, but that community is no longer growing and with Too Many Coins and No Limit Ever I just don't see a catalyst to move it back up in a dramatic fashion.
But I very much hope I am wrong.
No you're spot on, but how did you not come to this realization 6 months ago? More importantly why are you still holding them? |
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In the meantime btc's still falling, time to get into the 2nd gen crypto train peeps Cybercurrency will play an even more important role in the future. BTC broke the barriers, but just like MySpace, Lycos, and tape players, something better, faster, and cheaper always comes along and edges the old out. XCR has a great chance at being the one that bumps BTC off the top. Litoshi, I always appreciate your insight, but do you really believe BTC will eventually be surpassed by another altcoin/platform? |
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I notice quite a few of the coins people recommended at the start of this thread have tanked. Some of the advice offered was not very good.
You revived this old thread, only to get more bad advice after exactly one response hahaha. Don't listen to anyone's advice or recommendations. No, it was krach who revived this old thread to pump CLAMS. OFFERINGS
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Oh you're right sorry. |
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