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a flash chip or a sdram in this specific case would have the same purpose.
Really? What's the purpose of the flash chip / sdram in this specific case then? The purpose is storing constants used in the computational tasks and save logic space for other uses. Use of Block RAM (BRAM) for storage of constants [8]. Reconfigurable hardware devices such as FPGAs often have on-board memories which can be pre-loaded. Storing the Kt constants in these memories frees up space in the device which can then be used to implement extra logic. The free space also leads to improved routing and, thus, a general speed-up in circuit operation. From "Optimisation of the SHA-2 Family of Hash Functions on FPGAs" Robert P. McEvoy, Francis M. Crowe, Colin C. Murphy and William P. Marnane Department of Electrical & Electronic Engineering, University College Cork, Ireland {robertmce, francisc, cmurphy, liam}@rennes.ucc.ie |
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a flash chip or a sdram in this specific case would have the same purpose.
Really? What's the purpose of the flash chip / sdram in this specific case then? The purpose is storing constants used in the computational tasks and save logic space for other uses. |
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Just because our product shares a pcb platform that is more than common in the tablet manufacturing scene it does not mean it is a scam.
It does smell like a scam if the supposed company with the technical expertise to build such a PCB can tell people they are using the same Flash chip as another device... then somebody points out the part number on the "Flash" chip indicates that it's something else actually  a flash chip or a sdram in this specific case would have the same purpose. |
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Read the discussion. There are many points you are not getting. I've read the discussion, you & your 'product' got eaten alive. Just because our product shares a pcb platform that is more than common in the tablet manufacturing scene it does not mean it is a scam. Our secretive acting is dictated by the fact that it is more than simple to assemble a device like this given the right connections. Probably in the next few days somebody will setup a subreddit dedicated to asking general questions about our device. We will try to fix things then. |
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Those are totally different stuffs. |
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Read the discussion. There are many points you are not getting. |
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asciminer
well you can contact me here in the forum aswell. I wrote you here twice no answer. But to make it more easy, write me on coinmaster ad tenobis.com
Tenobis
Hi, thanks for your patience, we have just sent the original email. |
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Since this is being made in China, I'll wait for the manufacturer to release their own pirated versions which cost 10x less. The first wave of buyers take on the scam risk, as well as pay an early adopter tax.
You can't pirate hardware, noob. In China they even do this. Must see with your eyes. |
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To be honest i sended 5 btc to this guy, but i never got any answer!!!
I waited now 3 days no replay
AWARE THIS IS A FRAUD !!!
We are trying since the very moment we noticed your transfer to email you. This is what we're getting back : This is the mail system at host pop-pri-02.datacomm.ch. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system <email address redacted>: maildir delivery failed: //PRI-02// Sorry, the user's mailbox is full, try again later. Do you have another mailbox or do you mind to clear-up your inbox ? Sorry everybody for not having replied before.Blog updated at http://asicminer.net/?p=78 with some details and a picture. We will be back in a few hours for extended discussion. |
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We will not send hardware unit for testing, sorry. Tomorrow we will publish some blurred pictures of the ASIC board and screenshots of tools we developed. We hope that will be enough for people to understand this is a serious project.
As per the technical information requested, our asic has 45K logical gates and gathers 500 Mhash\sec at 120MHz and one cycle per full-hash. Honestly the feedback from the community has discouraged us a bit about taking the risk to invest money in this venture. But today we got some emails from people interested in financing the whole operation for using the machines as a bitcoin mining cluster. We will keep you updated.
Well, you should go with whatever decision makes the most sense for your venture. But I find it very surprising that someone would offer you financing without wanting an even higher level of verification than we are asking for. And since you are so discouraged by our requests for more information, I would think that you will be similarly discouraged when these people offering to finance you ask for verification that this operation isn't a hoax. For what its worth, your efforts in this thread to address questions, and some of the changes made to your web page, do build a little more credibility IMO, but not enough yet to pull the trigger. Overall, the feedback you are getting is not dismissive, we just want more information. So I don't you should be discouraged; it was just unrealistic to think you could put up a web page with some sketchy information and have the orders flood in. We received an offer from some chinese entrepreneurs. The fact that we manufacture in Guangzhou is not safe for us. Trade secret in China is non-existent, as well as respect for intellectual property. We will not reveal further details about the offers we receive. We did not expect orders to flood in but at least we did expect that the community would take this seriously. |
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Right, and JoelKatz is only asking to verify information that he *already* knows and which is entirely public at this point. That's not quite true. I would be asking them questions whose answer I know within a range but don't know for sure. If there is anything about this asic machine that is truly a secret, it probably doesn't need to be disclosed in the exchange. He is merely asking to confirm that this group has the relevant know-how to manufacture such a machine (or even build a prototype). That is essentially correct. There are certain thing you have to do in the process of designing, building, and testing an ASIC. The questions I would ask would be things they would definitely know. An example question might be "how many gates or equivalent does the ASIC have?" Or "what is the die size?"
Now, I don't know how many gates their ASIC has, but I can calculate how many it would have based on other information (such as the number of hashes and the clock speed). I can then check my gate count against theirs. Similarly, I can calculate the die size based on other information and check its consistency.
Those are very rough approximations really, i think you are well aware of this. OK, but I think the general point remains - that it would be easy to have an exchange with JoelKatz that would help verify the credibility of your claims, even if you can't answer every question, or have to answer some questions vaguely.
Well yes, i even already answered a question. But we won't reveal much. |
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well yes how many machines fits to a 19" rack, and gonna be there a way to access the machine by ip or just usb
Well you mean access the workstation that controls the machines. I don't really know how many machines takes to fit a full 19" rack. We will publish size specifications along with some pictures during today or tomorrow. |
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hello asicminer
we would like to know if your offer is avalable for a 19" rack
with rj45 connector ?
Hi, Sorry, i don't get what you are really asking me, do you want a 19" rack of multiple machines? by the way, why the rj45 connector? Thanks |
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Right, and JoelKatz is only asking to verify information that he *already* knows and which is entirely public at this point. That's not quite true. I would be asking them questions whose answer I know within a range but don't know for sure. If there is anything about this asic machine that is truly a secret, it probably doesn't need to be disclosed in the exchange. He is merely asking to confirm that this group has the relevant know-how to manufacture such a machine (or even build a prototype). That is essentially correct. There are certain thing you have to do in the process of designing, building, and testing an ASIC. The questions I would ask would be things they would definitely know. An example question might be "how many gates or equivalent does the ASIC have?" Or "what is the die size?" Now, I don't know how many gates their ASIC has, but I can calculate how many it would have based on other information (such as the number of hashes and the clock speed). I can then check my gate count against theirs. Similarly, I can calculate the die size based on other information and check its consistency. Those are very rough approximations really, i think you are well aware of this. The value of their project is almost entirely in the fact that they have (assuming they're telling the truth) actually made masks and spun up a production process. The design is not secret -- we all know how it would be done. That is assuming their design is based on the FPGA miner. My first question would be to ensure we're on the same page as far as what I'm assuming about their design.
We used fpga miner as a starting base to develop our design. When we said it is 'compact' we meant it fits into 45K gates. |
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We will not send hardware unit for testing, sorry. Tomorrow we will publish some blurred pictures of the ASIC board and screenshots of tools we developed. We hope that will be enough for people to understand this is a serious project.
As per the technical information requested, our asic has 45K logical gates and gathers 500 Mhash\sec at 120MHz and one cycle per full-hash. Honestly the feedback from the community has discouraged us a bit about taking the risk to invest money in this venture. But today we got some emails from people interested in financing the whole operation for using the machines as a bitcoin mining cluster. We will keep you updated.
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we already addressed that, it was a typo. stop trolling |
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I have an idea , why don't you solve a block with your hardware.
Should take about 20 minutes with your 5 GH. You need to tell us the bitcoin address first. Then solve a block in a reasonable time consistent with 5 GH and post the transaction hash of the solve so we can verify the address is the one you said it is.
That's real. simple. Solve a damn block or STFU.
We will see what we can do about this. |
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so why is the website hosted in France ?? (and a crap looking one at that)
why does it matter ? the domain was purchased with BTC from exoware.net |
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Are you sure you know what an ASIC is? It wouldn't be hard at all to post a picture but blurr out the interesting parts.
I've said enough against you for one day. Sorry about that. I think you should take JoelKatz up on his offer to ask you a few questions.
What would you get from a blurred picture? i tell you, nothing. It is only something your mind is asking you to do, you want have a visual proof this is real, it is understandable. Our ASIC sports a very compact design and components&channels are very visible on the board. |
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