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In this case, to everybody, casino is our enemy，but the game is casino is good, fair , interesting !
If we could to turn it into pvp game, I don’t know, will people like it more?
People frequently ask for more PvP games, and we've had similar questions before... There are numerous topics on the subject. I suggest you search around on the forum if you are interested. But, there's a reason why PvP skill games are not as popular as slots (and other games of chance) in online casinos. There has to be a lot of players online for a PVP games to fill the rooms, there is a problem with betting amounts matchmaking, so a special algorithm must be implemented, there has to be a way to deal with fake accounts and bots... And the list goes on. That's why you won't find many PvP gambling platforms online, and PvP games are a minority, as they can't keep players' interest for long. Therefore, maybe adding PvP is a good idea for a casino once they have lots of players, but I don't think it's the best way to get started. For example, Duelbits casino began as a simple PvP gaming site, but has since evolved into a full-fledged crypto casino that offers live games, slots, blackjack, and a host of other casino games. They still offer a PvP gambling experience, however. You should try Dice Duels, which is basically a dice game, but you are competing with other players, and the winner is the player with the highest roll. thanks for your advice！ PvP game has a lot of questions , just like u said , AI robots ,cheating ,so , i think 1v1 is the first step! I really dislike people that they always think the result right now is the best choice! I like to ask for some good answers . It’s the best way to figure out something. So right now, we have know that , pvp is not good enough for casino to make money ,also Take winner’s profits 1~5% in limit time as fee is not good for casino owner too, change a gambling website into a pure white label ,not provide real money service ,its all stupid minds. But as a player, everybody knows its better for them that if these all be ture! |
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It seems to me that the OP thinks he has thought of a cool idea but neither is it cool nor does he seem to have much idea of how a casino and HE works. This seems to me to be the most important thing: Two things: casino will go bust or casino will die due to lack of players. Why take a share of the winnings of the players if you already have some house-edge setup? Your casino operators are not the government to tax players of their gains lol. They shouldn't be collecting a share of the players' wins just to make some profit. A very bad business model I should say. The casino will go bust very easily and the players will not be attracted to play at all.
I too see that his idea of changing the HE by taking money from the player out of his profits would not work. And he doesn't talk about costs of operating a casino. 1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience i think its gone be ok!
I don't know what experience you will have, I think you are talking about ideas, not experience. If you have to build a new casino it has costs, and even if you have already built it, it has maintenance and advertising costs to attract people to it. Also to make the players that go there come back has costs in terms of promotions and so on. When you think about the HE or what you want to take out of the profits, think that with a low percentage you will only cover the costs or not even that. When i am a poker player and learn about it everyday , i find this game real meaning is that we can’t discuss the process by result ! You need to build your poker knowledge then push it down and forget it , setup new strategy for different people! In this case, to everybody, casino is our enemy，but the game is casino is good, fair , interesting ! If we could to turn it into pvp game, I don’t know, will people like it more? |
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It seems to me that the OP thinks he has thought of a cool idea but neither is it cool nor does he seem to have much idea of how a casino and HE works. This seems to me to be the most important thing: Two things: casino will go bust or casino will die due to lack of players. Why take a share of the winnings of the players if you already have some house-edge setup? Your casino operators are not the government to tax players of their gains lol. They shouldn't be collecting a share of the players' wins just to make some profit. A very bad business model I should say. The casino will go bust very easily and the players will not be attracted to play at all.
I too see that his idea of changing the HE by taking money from the player out of his profits would not work. And he doesn't talk about costs of operating a casino. 1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience i think its gone be ok!
I don't know what experience you will have, I think you are talking about ideas, not experience. If you have to build a new casino it has costs, and even if you have already built it, it has maintenance and advertising costs to attract people to it. Also to make the players that go there come back has costs in terms of promotions and so on. When you think about the HE or what you want to take out of the profits, think that with a low percentage you will only cover the costs or not even that. In my plan , this white label casino don’t need to attract people, its the club’s owner bussiness 0house-edge is step 1, pvp crypto games is step2 , think about it please , we could play crash 1v1 just like poker heads-up, its real fair game ! |
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But , when i access a new gambling website , i just feel :”boring!”
Everything is same , no creatives !no pvp competition, like the mummy！
I think you're in the wrong area if you're looking for something creative? or even pvp based even. Yes, there's games like poker and blackjack that lets you play against other players, but most of the time casinos revolve around trying to get lucky on an algorithm, pretty much just like how poker really is, just that there are multiple of you in one instance. If you were looking for pvp competitions I'd suggest moving on to fps, mobas, etc, basically any other type of game out there that does not rely on luck, but rather pure skill. And by skill, I mean mechanical skill, not the mind play games stuff that happens in poker tables. I just want to discuss these ideas with you, Didn't mean to offend！ |
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Why you are choosing the hard part of the game.Which is act like a owner of the casino.The easiest part of the gambling or casino is player.The player will easily win or loss in the game.But the casino owner need to pay the feees to the developers.The owner had to pay the person who working and marketing.
Because, the hard part is always profitable at the end. The hard part is only hard at first but once you learn how to grasp things, you will not feel that it was hard anymore but you will only enjoy the benefits. Not all wants to become a gambler or a player but some have a higher ambition than that, they want to be a businessman in the form of creating their own casino. Online crypto casinos are in demand these days, that is why many are interested on building their own platforms. Being a casino player is indeed easy and stress free but do you think you can win as much as you like? I believe no but it was the casino that always win and the expense are going to be nothing if the casino is earning massive profits. I hope everyone could to be the owner of a small casino (club) |
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Your English is not too bad. I will say you are an average speaker of the second language (L2). My issue here is not the English language you used but the message here. I am not clear, in fact I do not understand the thread. You were saying you played poker and you could not withdraw the win. And a friend of yours invented "poker master" and everyone was going there to play the poker game. My friend. Your subject and the content are not the same. Are you asking to develop a online free casino or offline casino in China. If it is Yes, there is a Chinese sub-board or thread to discuss this your issue. Because discussing it here like swimming in the ocean. But if you discuss it in the China's Board it would be particularized and they would bring out points to develop a project in the said magnitude.
Although most of us have not been to China so to tell how to go about it is not easy. But you can still meet with that your friend to proceed the project. Because from your story he has a very big knowledge of it. Then my part to advise you is that. Base on your title. You can have Free casino games in China but if only you have the resources to carry out your project.
It’s nearly zero in china ! In other words ,they are hiding in other countries! |
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Thanks for your time man!
I’m trying my best to improve my English .I believe i could learn it well in the future !
How are trying to learn english? I think that is basic barrier for the chinese people. Just my concern is - why is this a problem. Is english not in chinese course? Many of the buyers from other countries faces the same issue - so I think there is a need to look up to the english for a better understanding? Op had really tried in his expression and I think he has to learn more or perfect his translation from chinese to english. Although he explained one or two things but I'm still skeptical about what his perspective is. If he's to create a club in a casino due to much restrictions I'm china, then he can go ahead with is plans but anything here is trust. The club admin can do away with funds from other club members and the casino could be held responsible. I don't think any Casino would accept this. This is a big problem ! In fact , to me , company or individual club ,they all can take away my money ， there are lots of scammers use fake gambling webseite swindle players。 First ， in my plan，if i am a YouTuber ， i have many fans , I could have a new choice , access a white label gambling website , creat my club , everyone play games gambling in my club , we could creat Reward activity by ourself ， like：get a close contact with this youtuber （have dinner，drink，take photoes etc，） even its just a free coins club，if admin don’t want to make money by this way! Second,casino need make money , i know , but most people lose money is a terrible feeling ,if you play casino games for a long time , you lose more money! How to solve this ? 1) every single club pay some money for the platform as fee, like 100-500usd /month,(different fee,different limits) if club amount is 100~1000,I think its good income! They make money from their players ,every club owner is an online casino owner, maybe all of them are scammers,but they have to invite player join this platform first! I believe ,its just a problem of time。 somebody will creat a real honest club for these players。lower house-edge，higher rankback，quickly customer service ，as club ，everything could be better than casino！ i need to deal my language Barrier first，then study some design /computer/gambling knowledge, Maybe in the future , i could creat a free casino website for them! |
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I just want know the calculation of these new ways ，good or not？
thanks everyone‘s answers！
Not really sure how to make calculations on this, because limiting times for games on casinos depends a lot where the most customers come from and which time will be available to play for them. Casinos operate internationally and the games run 24 hours a day, there will be gamblers coming from America, Europe and from Asia. To find a time slot that works all around the world seems a bit hard. I would expect most gamblers to play in the evening, so when have the games run in the evening in Europe, it will be night in Asia and morning in America. Having a flat fee for games makes the earnings much more predictable for casino, especially if the fee is not related to the betting size. If every gambler has to pay $5 and the house edge is 0 than the casino will likely not make any money from the games itself. After a few month of crash games the profit will equal to the fee. But with a house edge of 1% the casino should be doing better because more games will be run over the day and the casino profits of larger wages that will return more than $5. Of course you are right ! The most important is nobody think that’s good idea for casino,i didn’t meant that they are looking too short-sighted But , when i access a new gambling website , i just feel :”boring!” Everything is same , no creatives !no pvp competition, like the mummy！ |
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This is just a suggestion, but I'm not sure whether this will bring profit to the casino. Most of the crash games function automatically where users were able to set the cashout or can get cashout when required. For this the players can be allowed to play a game like the one we had in the keypad phones. Snake game, which keeps running and the player needs to keep on collecting food and this make the snake grow in length. If we dash on the sides then it ends. Maybe that'll be more attractive as the control is in the hands of users.
Hey,man thanks for your time! I think you want to say pvp game right? Crash could to be a pvp game! Just like poker sit and go. For example: you and me , play a competition, 100usd buyin, 10mins, 1000 chips in the crash game! Who’s win the more chips , who is the winner ! Take 200usd rewards away ! |
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 you could take the winner profits 1～5% as fee its like， i join your game room ，play the crash，the game is 0 edge to me but just in 30mins or 1hour，i don’t know i will win or not , if i win , maybe 100 usd, i will pay u 1~5 usd as fee , i think its ok , If i lose 100usd,i think the game is fair to me , i just lose to the 0 edge game, that ok right? Fees are one of the way these casino makes profits, so taking around 1 to 5% charge rate for each win is not a bad idea, but what if i would have suggest why not say 1 to 5% per withdrawal and not win? Is good, because the reason for starting a cosino business is to make profit And, playing good games with good olds attract more people to a casino than any other thing else Thanks for your answer , i think your advice is very good idea, maybe we could make a vip system ,you pay xxxusd / month , enjoy the 0 edge games and 0 % profits fee,even withdraw , its all free ,just let you often access This gambling website , I believe ,the casino owner will show you something that you like to pay for them! |
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I am not sure I correctly understood your idea but isn't the fee you are going to charge on winnings exactly what the house edge means!
Let's suppose just for the sake of argument that there will be a lonely player and he will play two 10 minutes rounds and the game odds are 50/50 (this is what the numbers will tend towards anyway with more players and more rounds).
Let's also suppose he will bet a total of $100 on each round. Since the odds of winning are 50/50 then it's safe to assume he will lose it all on one round (-$100) and double it on the other round on which you will charge him a 5% fee (+$95).
By the end, the player ended up with - 5$ loss and the casino with +$5 profit on a total bet of $200. So, on the long run the casino profit is 2.5% from all rounds.
This is what your house edge is: fee/2
Yes ,sir , you calculate the total bet * 5%fee ,its right , but the point is time. In ten mins , if you bet100 usd * 100times your wagers is 10000 usd ,its means you had pay 10000*1%=100 usd to casino whatever you win or not,right? But if this casino just take your profits* 5% in ten mins when you win ,the wagers doesn’t matter,which one is better to players? so i think ,its should be different between them! |
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~snip~
There must be someway for people in your country to deal with cryptocurrency and exchange it against yuan because I've already seen chineses using crypto in different sites, including casinos, even though gambling and bitcoin aren't allowed there.
^ I think migrating into another country is one of the best solutions here, dont risk your company, once it is not allowed it will become illegal in that way. Raising a company is not a joke, it needs thousands of dollars before you will have it, and from time to time, you will seize by the government and won't operate again because you are operating even though it is prohibited. Probably that is the best idea here, but still, the decision was on the OP, OP needs to weigh this situation and consider the legalization to be followed. TO me the biggest problem for Chinese is a language banner. It is for both the parties. The buyers and seller. I think the OP person must learn English as well as he/she mentioned they have difficulty speaking and writing. So it would be very hard for them to be in the game - how would he learn when he would have to translate each and everything Thanks for your time man! I’m trying my best to improve my English .I believe i could learn it well in the future ! |
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Everything is possible !
To casino , everybody knows the biggest problem is new players, why? Because they make too much money!
If i creat a new online gambling website , i will do it !
If you manage to create a casino that doesn't charge house edge and has a rules in favor with players, Feel free to notify us so that we can support you and share us your money. I knew some project casino before that offer 0% house edge. I think it's edgeless, I don't know what happened to them since it's way back 2017 to 2018 but as you can see, They are not popular anymore and probably dead despite they offer what you suggest. That’s bad news. Maybe online casino could provider different way to make players money! I just want discuss the idea with smart guys ,because I’m a stupid boy! |
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Go for a 0% house edge and you'll eventually be going to adjust to a likelihood of 0.1%.
A casino is a business and as an owner, you'll have to take a share from the operation that you'll do unless you want to run a charity out of it. Taking a percentage from the winner's profit on top of the house edge, you'll just push customers away.
So, you think 0%edge and take winner’s profit is not good idea, even its more fair and cheap fees than 1%~2.5%edge |
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You are looking for a charity and not a Casino. House edge gives the casino a fixed profit for there operational cost and other expenses just to maintain the casino running. House edge percentage is very small that can affect your profitability. You are suggesting a more favorable terms for players as if casino doesn't any operational expenses for running there website. The idea is good for the players sake but it's not feasible for a business to operate just like that.
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Everything is possible !
To casino , everybody knows the biggest problem is new players, why? Because they make too much money!
If i creat a new online gambling website , i will do it !
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Two things: casino will go bust or casino will die due to lack of players. Why take a share of the winnings of the players if you already have some house-edge setup? Your casino operators are not the government to tax players of their gains lol. They shouldn't be collecting a share of the players' wins just to make some profit. A very bad business model I should say. The casino will go bust very easily and the players will not be attracted to play at all.
I have said , the house-edge could change to zero! To me, i would rather to play crash for 10 minutes everyday , whatever win or Lose. So if i bet 100usd every time , its mean i pay 1usd to casino, But i know i just want to play 10mins , could i play a real 0 edge fair game ? If i win , i like to pay 1%-5% profits to casino as the service fee or just tips? |
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Since it is a different type of game and unlike rooms where every room has its own limits in betting the crash game doesn't have and it is a community game where all people can place bet on the same round and about the 1% I am not sure only the gambling owners or game providers can answer that but I am sure that they will not as they will not earn profit for that.
we don’t need them to answer this question , if this way is available, players will change them! |
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Are you really referring to crash game? as most crash games are running 24/7 and the owners cannot control the game time of the game and I think you are referring to something like a PVP game I am not sure why but I understand the concept of charging the winner a certain percentage as gambling site's profit.
1: Yes it’s running 24/7, but only one choice , its not like living game, like baccarat，we can choose different room, Why crash don’t do like that? As player , you don’t want more different room to choose? 2: if as casino, i know 1% profit from every bet is good, but its possible to reduce ，right？ |
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1:We all know it’s house edge :1%
2:This game you access any gambling website , its always auto run there .
How to change it ? Or could we change it different?
1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience i think its gone be ok!
2:How to make money as the casino owner?
First , you can control the game time！
you could choose to open a new game anytime，and control the game time like 30mins or 1hour， why do that？ you could take the winner profits 1～5% as fee
its like， i join your game room ，play the crash，the game is 0 edge to me but just in 30mins or 1hour，i don’t know i will win or not , if i win , maybe 100 usd, i will pay u 1~5 usd as fee , i think its ok , If i lose 100usd,i think the game is fair to me , i just lose to the 0 edge game, that ok right?
3: if as a player , you think its not fair about the hash , you could choose to different seeds game room
I just want know the calculation of these new ways ，good or not？
thanks everyone‘s answers！
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I want a real security casino ， no kyc，no cheat ，no fake publicity。
the only one thing we have to trust is the admin of club。
The problem with wanting that in poker is that it's like wanting to have your cake and eat it too. No kyc playing poker opens a very large window of opportunity for collusion. Online poker houses like Pokerstars have people dedicated to prevent collusion, and that all players are perfectly identified. Without kyc the same person can have two or three players at the table without any problem. Or agree with two or three people. In such cases, KYC is not a guarantee against the participation of fraudsters in the game. Competent scammers will register other people through KYC, perhaps even having nothing to do with them, and not at all relatives, but just an outsider, paying him a little for the documents provided for KYC. And then really scammers can play as if for three players, although only a fraudster himself really plays. Unfortunately, this is the problem of online games. And they are really solved only when you play in a physical casino, with real people who are sitting next to you at the gaming table. pvp game ，like poker ，always have players colluding each other， but casino games how to do that？ its not pvp ， the edge will always win！ |
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