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1  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Can you confirm my "DUMP" analysis? on: September 18, 2023, 01:51:04 PM

Step 4.
Setting up rules.

If current bars volume is 5 times higher than last 10 bars avg volume AND -%0.5 candle change on 5 mins chart. Thus, it's considered as dump and sell.
In order to calculate and follow this rule 7/24, i'm using an algo trade platform called Traderlands. (It's free)


Generally, you did a good job. Rapidly increasing volumes are indicating that whales are joining the game and some serious price change is about to come. The numbers for the rules would be different for different coins. Coins with lower MC would have a higher volume proportions.
I would say that during the flat market volume analysis should work pretty well.



Another idea came up. If we set these rules on BTC for specific setup and when these rules occurs, SHORT one of the low volume pair. We can select 50 pairs and filter them with low volume on Traderlands platform. I guess this is makes sense.
2  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Can you confirm my "DUMP" analysis? on: September 18, 2023, 11:34:52 AM

Step 4.
Setting up rules.

If current bars volume is 5 times higher than last 10 bars avg volume AND -%0.5 candle change on 5 mins chart. Thus, it's considered as dump and sell.
In order to calculate and follow this rule 7/24, i'm using an algo trade platform called Traderlands. (It's free)


Generally, you did a good job. Rapidly increasing volumes are indicating that whales are joining the game and some serious price change is about to come. The numbers for the rules would be different for different coins. Coins with lower MC would have a higher volume proportions.
I would say that during the flat market volume analysis should work pretty well.



Thanks! And you are absolutely right about different size of MC for vary coins. I'm trying to make it dynamic based on specific formula on pine script. So i can connect it as a Tradingview indicator to Traderlands platform and see it how it works.
3  Economy / Trading Discussion / Can you confirm my "DUMP" analysis? on: September 18, 2023, 09:15:06 AM
I know it may sounds ambitious but some point it looks like works.

Let's get started.

Step 1.
Check 1 day ARB chart first. ~%15 down starting 10th Sept.



Step 2.
Check 1 hour ARB chart. Starting to drop at 04:00 (UTC)



Step 3.
Let's get more detailed. On 5 mins chart, check ARB volume.



As you can see before dumping, total volume of last 10 bars 3.3 M ARB on 5 mins chart. 04:20 starting dump and 14 M ARB volume.

Step 4.
Setting up rules.

If current bars volume is 5 times higher than last 10 bars avg volume AND -%0.5 candle change on 5 mins chart. Thus, it's considered as dump and sell.
In order to calculate and follow this rule 7/24, i'm using an algo trade platform called Traderlands. (It's free)

This is how it is done


Step 5.
Check rule and exit point

According to our rule 331k x 5 = 1.6 M ARB volume should be to sell it. So on 1 min chart;

Starting 04:20, in 3 mins volume goes up ~8 M ARB.



Estimated exit price: 0.8790

Let's consider we buy on 0.8881 on 2th Sept and waiting price up. This dump would be disaster unless we had these tools and idea Smiley

So we exit on 0.8790 and our loss ~%1.

It's also perfect timing for possible SHORT position i guess.

I set an algo for this matter on Traderlands and started forward testing. Let's see what will be happen.


If you have any other idea or criticism, i'm open to discuss.
4  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Are Technical Indicators useless? on: September 13, 2023, 01:43:47 PM
Hi everyone.

I've examined indicators for very long time. Especially if you are trading often, they would increase your winning possibilities.

While some months i've learned how to code Pine Script on Tradingview and backtest with it. But i can't get good results even if many combination of indicators.  Undecided  When i look at past data manually, it works smoothly but this data retrospective and indicators can't drawn in future.

I wonder is there anyone who succeed on trading with indicator/combination of indicator/special strategy.

I'm open to discuss all ideas.  

No serious trader will claim that he is a successful trader without using indicators but the time matters a lot. Have you ever used an indicator in a bull run? You will find out that they are not as important as you think, they won't help a lot because many coins will be on a speedy mode at any news, more of fundamental than technical, this is why you need to play your game very well in bull run but in a bear market, you will need it more than anything because all the coins that pump during the bull run will all be down by that time, you need technical analysis to monitor the next move of the market.

Nevertheless, despite all your combinations, you should learn how to play trading with your mind and feelings. Whenever you see that the market is not favourable and your indicators say otherwise, you should follow your mind to avoid guilt later, reason is that indicators are not 100% trustworthy and they do lag, the market will have done what you expect before they show you any sign of move.

Agreed, beginning of 2020 i used algotrade that created with indicators. It amplified my gain relative to marketcap. The algorithms I used in the bull run gave terrible results when the market was flat or in a bearish period.

My conclusion for this experience, strategies should be dynamic not static. There should be a switch for strategies according to market direction bullish or bearish. So main strategy should be define to market situation and strategy that i use needs to change.
5  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Are Technical Indicators useless? on: September 13, 2023, 09:11:47 AM
Indicators can increase the probability of making profit in trading, but it deos not 100% guarantee that if a trader use them to trade, that the trader would win. Indicators are just some things to know in trading but strategies is what that is most important.

If you have 100% money, use 10% or less to trade.
You can start a trade with averaging. If you win, you close the position. If you are losing, you will wait until your indicators tell you to increase the leverage. You can start a trade with 0.2x and increased it to 1x. That is averaging.

Averaging may still fail, you need to not let emotion to control you. Trade with the amount of money that you can afford to lose.

Or i keep using Martingale strategy Smiley

Yes of course i dont expect %100 success rate. This method is good, but it requires a good amount of liquidation. Some point market will crashes deeply and liquidation would not be enough when it happens.

Actually i was looking for an algo-trade way with indicators. I don't know if we can determine drops with indicators, so we could be avoid from them with acceptable losses.
6  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Are Technical Indicators useless? on: September 13, 2023, 08:49:01 AM
While some months i've learned how to code Pine Script on Tradingview and backtest with it. But i can't get good results even if many combination of indicators.  Undecided  When i look at past data manually, it works smoothly but this data retrospective and indicators can't drawn in future.
So you backtest your trading method and it works better compared to recent trades, or did you manually test each indicator on past data? Which combination you've done so far? What are your order settings? Maybe people can help you better if we know the exact trading algorithm/settings that you use. Using too many indicators can give you extra trouble since some of them can be contradictory.

That being said, you should not expect a consistent success rate if your data sources are not comparable. Like, if you compare the backtest to short-term trading, it is likely that the result would look horrible as mentioned above. CMIIW.

Actually i was looking for a backtest tool and then i found an algo-trade platform which includes free backtest tool. I had to set some basic strategy on this website's interface to test indicators.
A few type of strategy on my mind. One of them, buy when drops.

Let's start with simple one. When price down of BollingerBands(30,3,low) lower band then buy on 5 mins timeframe.



So on interface i've set it like that.



For exit, if price > SMA (middle line of BB) | %1 Stop-Loss | %0.5 Trailing Stop Loss activation and %0.3 Follow Distance | x10 leverage

Besides of backtest, there are live test (virtually). This is the results so far.



%61 succsess rate, %0.1 average profit.  Undecided
7  Economy / Trading Discussion / Are Technical Indicators useless? on: September 12, 2023, 04:43:39 PM
Hi everyone.

I've examined indicators for very long time. Especially if you are trading often, they would increase your winning possibilities.

While some months i've learned how to code Pine Script on Tradingview and backtest with it. But i can't get good results even if many combination of indicators.  Undecided  When i look at past data manually, it works smoothly but this data retrospective and indicators can't drawn in future.

I wonder is there anyone who succeed on trading with indicator/combination of indicator/special strategy.

I'm open to discuss all ideas.  
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