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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is there any way to swap Bitcoin? on: December 08, 2023, 10:31:06 PM
You can try and use Bisq or Agoradesk.

https://bisq.network/
https://agoradesk.com/

Other decentralized exchanges: https://kycnot.me/

Before you use these services (given your circumstances) you are probably best to find a Bitcoin to Monero exchange on kycnot.me, then from there swapping to xmr, and using agoradesk's monero mirror, local xmr, or swapping back to btc and using agoradesk. Monero is a protocol built for privacy and in a situation like this, it might help you to find some additional privacy than just using the services with the coins you have. You aren't doing anything wrong by achieving some privacy here, using a privacy protocol for its intended purpose might save you troubles if any troubles are related to your coins. if LE already picked up the guy though, you mightn't even have anything to worry about. Good luck Smiley

I'm not sure did I understand this bolded part correctly. Are you saying to exchange BTC to XMR P2P and then back to BTC? I tried searching for monero mirror, but I didn't find anything useful.



If you intend to sell, then you may swap to altcoin from DEX and sell it. I had used TrustWallet to swap my coins, like from BNB to Bitcoin or Bitcoin to BNB. So it does break the chain and transaction history. For example, if you want to sell, convert your bitcoin to ETH and sell through P2P or whatever you like. If you still want to hold Bitcoin, then deposit ETH to centralised exchanges and make an exchange for Bitcoin. Then you can withdraw Bitcoin from the exchanges. Keep in mind that it does break all the previous transactions, but it doesn't assure your privacy when you are using centralised exchanges. They might know that you own the address, but you will get fresh coins from the exchange.

Is it possible to exchange coins directly in TrustWallet or it's just a multicoin wallet?



This is interesting.  What if btc you received from a long time ago wasn't worth much back then and the person or exchange you buy it from had issues? 


The thing is if you withdraw it from a gambling site, well what if it was some person who deposited that btc in a gambling site and now uses that btc to pay you? 

Yeah, I don't know where the guy got them back then, and that's the reason why I want to "unlink" them from him. I don't want to come to a situation where I sell them P2P, a buyer has CEX address and they block the transaction.
2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is there any way to swap Bitcoin? on: December 07, 2023, 10:32:19 PM
Thank you all for answering! I will try to reply as much as possible.


You can try and use Bisq or Agoradesk.

https://bisq.network/
https://agoradesk.com/

Other decentralized exchanges: https://kycnot.me/

Wow, there are so many options now. I remember installing and trying Bisq back when it was maybe even in beta, it barely had any orders. Is it possible to sell bitcoins for fiat or stablecoins there now? If it is, I'm not sure would I have to first exchange them for some altcoins, or it's enough to sell them straight away without needing to worry about linkage to the mentioned guy?


I'm assuming you didn't properly use the Coinjoin feature in Wasabi, so let's assume if your coins is still linked with the previous guy.

You're only concealing your coins, tracking back the previous transactions will make people know where the coins comes from. You actually need additional privacy tool if your intention to hide the trace, you can use Bisq to swap your BTC to XMR, then sell XMR to USD (or local currency used in your country).

You can directly sell your BTC using no KYC P2P or DEX, you coins will not be frozen, it's only lack of privacy.

I sent only a fraction to Wasabi as I was mainly curious of how it works. The bigger part went like: his wallet -> my generated wallet -> hardware wallet.

If I understood you correctly, basically it comes down to if I want to "unlink" them from the previous guy, I have to first swap them for XMR? I guess your last sentence explains if they were sold for USD (if that's even possible on Bisq) it could be tracked all the way back.


There are other service that will provide you with the same benefit of keeping your privacy safe. Not all of them are bad and are you 100% sure that the guy who got arrested was for being involved in Bitcoin? Keeping that aside, you can always mix it and then convert it into some other coins and then cash it out using either P2P transaction or using a centralized platform.

Doing it directly with a centralized platform will put you at a risk. So try to find some alternative option. If there's someone accepting transaction in personal wallet then you can do that transaction too.

If I got it correctly from this thread, aside from mixers (which I would like to skip) using DEX and buying XMR or some other coin is the best way "unlinking" them from his wallet? Actually, I have no idea why that guy got arrested, it could be something totally unrelated to Bitcoins, but I wouldn't want to test my luck, hence why I'm looking for a solution just in case.


I don't know why but I sense something bad here, I am not saying you have created this story but how can we verify that you are not telling lie about this whole scenario, you said you bought BTC face to face, but you still have made a transaction with that guy, can you provide that hash or transaction details so we could search about it. Because to find out why he got arrested and can you use those BTC, you have few options.
Go and ask that person or police or his relatives, or friends about why he got arrested, if you can't then try to trace back the funds which he sent you, try to find the source of those coins, if they are linking to some scam wallet, which is tagged as suspicious or of hackers then those BTC might cause you trouble and I will suggest you to abandon them although it is not easy to give away or waste money but you said those BTC are in small amount.
Which mean you could sweep them away, if you don't find a solid answer to above questions then it will be better to avoid making any trade in them, and using mixers for this might come in the type of money laundering and I will say don't use mixers for money laundering purposes, and many centralized exchanges don't accept funds from mixers.

I understand your point of view and indeed, you can't verify if this is true or not, but I don't force anyone to believe it. I could probably find a transaction id, but I really don't want to share it publicly online. Regarding the guy, I mentioned above, I have no idea why he got arrested, could be also something unrelated to Bitcoins. I heard about it in a casual conversation, the person who told me didn't know more than that. Except that one time, I had no contact with him, and now after so many years, even less. Maybe these coins are fine, maybe not, I have no idea. While you mentioned it, is there some list or website where it's possible to see those suspicious wallets?


The easiest solution is to download the Samourai wallet for Android or Sparrow for desktop devices, and then use Whirlpool (zerolink coinjoin implementation).

Learn more here
https://samouraiwallet.com/whirlpool
https://sparrowwallet.com/docs/mixing-whirlpool.html
https://bitcoiner.guide/whirlpool/

Using Bisq to mix your coins may not be a smart idea.

Why do you think that? Isn't coinjoin basically mixing? I see some people on reddit stating their accounts got banned/blacklisted when CEXs saw their coins came from coinjoin. Trying coinjoin and then selling P2P, the same way I bought back then, I guess can possibly lead to losing funds, as the most, if not all buyers are using CEX, so their CEX might seize the funds. Or you thought using something from your suggestions and then selling on Bisq?


Buddy, you can better investigate first for what he got arrested back in time because you may be fearing for nothing. If there was really some kind of case related to Bitcoins, you should make a P2P trade or a cash trade with a retailer nearby you. hehe Am I doing right by recommending anything, anyway whatever OP posted in the context of that I think if there was a serious case about Bitcoin and OP's post is legitimate he's the victim and he has the right to get out of this trouble.

This is true, the fear could be unjustified. I have no idea why he got arrested in the first place (and have no way to check it), it might or might not be related to Bitcoins. I'm asking simply because I wouldn't want to risk it and would rather be safe than sorry. The problem with P2P trade I see is, if the other side uses CEX (which is highly likely), so once I send them the funds, they might seize them.


Send the Bitcoin to another non custodial wallet then from the non custodial wallet you can send to an exchange like Agoradesk, Bisq and Centralized Exchange like Binance and sell off your Bitcoin. And with that you will not have problem with the Mixer address though they can still traces the last address for transaction but it will not have too much effect from the direct sending from the Mixer.

You can still swap Bitcoin to another coin if you are using Trustwallet. Then you can sell them in the coin you have swapped.

Sorry I didn't understand this part, can you rephrase it please? If I understood correctly, you suggest sending to Agoradesk, Bisq or some CEX and to sell there? Where is the mixer in there?

3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Is there any way to swap Bitcoin? on: December 07, 2023, 12:12:45 PM
Hi,

I bought part of BTC a long time ago, back when it was a pocket change, and I'm holding it ever since. I got it from a first guy I found locally on localbitcoins, and we did a face to face transaction. Back then were simpler times, the amount was small, and I planned to get familiar with Bitcoin and blockchain, so I never thought to ask him where he got them. Then, a year or two after that, I heard he was arrested, but I have no idea what for.

I sent it to a hardware wallet and never touched them except once a couple of years ago when I was curious how Wasabi wallet mixing (if that's how it was called) works, so I sent the part of it to see, and now it's there on a separate wallet. Fast-forward to this date. As the price raised significantly, I would like to cash out and take some profit, but I'm afraid they might be somehow flagged with the guy I bought them from. I saw a lot of posts online where people saying their funds were frozen on centralized exchanges for being linked to a mixer.

My question is, is there any way I can swap my existing funds in a way so they won't be linked to the previous guy anymore, which doesn't include any additional mixing? I know I could sell them locally, but most of the sellers are using accounts on centralized exchanges, so if those mentioned posts are true, they might freeze them and I will stay both without funds and money.
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