Now that you say, he's starting to write spaces before punctuation marks Maybe he's just the other split personality of Stinker and he's battling himself

Yeah, Stinker had successful trades too. Then he ran with my money with the same terms you were trying to achieve...

If you can't prevent a dispute anyway, then there is no additional risk for you to go first. I could not pay at all or pay and then dispute, it's equal to you. But for me it's assurance if you go first. But you didn't want that, I wonder why...

Just a heads up: user "Concerned" is very shady and tried to convince me to pay first and no escrow - yes, the very same way I got scammed, the very same day. He PMed me for the first time, nothing but his Payza address and "send there please", I didn't reply. Then after we discussed how I got scammed in another topic, he comes here and casually asks "so you got scammed?", it's right above here. I didn't reply, and he sent a PM again. I decided to play along... He tried very hard to convince me to pay first, and without escrow. He changed the topic and dashed questions several times when I asked about how I can be more safe. He told me several times to "just do it", and when I clearly stated that I wouldn't do this directly to a stranger, he backed out immediately. (His last argument was "LBC is down, do it directly", then I was "LBC is up now, we are good to go on LBC", so he was "too tired to play around" and that was it.)

Most likely a scammer. Be very careful and only trade with him throuh escrow. He is so keen to help for the sake of kindness, but only as long as you can't make sure he actually pays.

I have done heavy Paid To Click referring in the past, seen many sites. Was in top 20 sponsors of the biggest PTC site. Paid referrals are NEVER worth it, because it's only profitable for the seller if he gives them for more than what they would make. Simple as that. Sometimes they are active to some extent, but most of the time they are worth a handful of dirt.
P.s.: One could say that the seller wants X upfront money and in Y months the buyer will make 2X money, and that would be win-win and honest. Unfortunately, referral activity is so volatile that you can't do nearly as elaborate a calculation as this would need.

Sometimes jokes do better than serious ones. I remember an iPhone app that did nothing but cost $1000. They sold like 8, totaling much above most of the serious apps.

Welcome aboard again, Stinker! I'm sorry that you can't use your other account anymore, but I hope you have plenty more! You know, the only reason I didn't use escrow was that I thought that Payza always accepted disputes. Sadly that's more complicated as I learnt.

Next time when you try to build activity points with meaningless posts, remember that style is important! SPACE before each punctuation , like in this sentence , you know ? Right ? It's kinda instinctive, you even forget it when you try to change your style a little bit.

Stinker's posts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=359669;sa=showPosts
Bitcoin Charts' posts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=361706;sa=showPosts

Next time you come around, bring me my $119.

Edit: guy's posting at lightning speed, like when I do reputation grinding in wow. Quoted one for style reference in case he removes. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=721006.msg8158917#msg8158917

Damn, I missed that... You open the profile, then click the trust link and then click the show link to actually see it... That's hidden so deep, makes no sense.

What are you talking about? He had 0 received feedback and 4 sent feedback at the time. From those 2 negatives that he has now, I wrote one now and some other guy wrote one after seeing my scam report post.

It's so fucked up that you could literally make a living by just ripping someone off every other day... that must be kinda sad life though

This is the 3rd guy, he seems more trustworthy, or am I mistaken again?
https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/energa/

Well, you sent a PM and he did, so I had to choose between you two. His acc was 1 week old, you acc was 3 weeks. Both quite new. Your PM consisted of your payza address and "send there please", without any negotiation. Like what? You didn't even mention if you give 10BTC or 0.001 for that money. I chose the wrong guy and lesson learned, but your PM was way more fishy, that's why I chose him. After I sent the money, a 3rd guy PM-ed me but it was too late.

Stop trading with Stinker, he scammed me for $119, see details here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=721876.0

Yeah but what can I prove here? They have in record that I sent the payment, but there's no way to prove that I didn't receive the BTC.

User "Stinker" SCAMMED me, see all details here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=721876.0

What happened::
This is so funny that it was almost worth that $119. See the bottom of this paragraph for epic punchline. (I couldn't find how I can reverse the payment with Payza and how long it takes, can someone help me with that?) We talked on Skype, see full log below. So I wanted to buy BTC and I paid with Payza, I was first. AFTER I sent the payment, he "realized" that Payza is not good for him, so he asked me to pay somehow else. I told him I wanted the BTC what I paid for and he told me that ok, in 10 minutes I'll see it in my wallet. I waited for 2 hours and he didn't reply, I didn't get anything. I went out and after I got back home I saw that there were 3 messages, but they were removed. Apparently there's a Skype function for removing things you sent. I pinged him again and he came back saying that I am the scammer because I sent as goods and his account was frozen, and I am a douchebag. But that didn't happen. And what would be the point to spend $119 to lock a random stranger's account?
MEGALOL followed: he didn't know that skype messages are archived on the hard drive in .dat format and they are messy but they still contain the message. This is the screenshot, highlighting the 3 removed messages (and it's so lame I can hardly believe it...):



Tl;dr: "Nope", "I am a scammer", "Sorry"
And after that, he realized he could win some time by making me wait more. Please cease any trading with this guy immediately.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=359669

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=721001.0

Amount Scammed:
$119

Payment Method:
Payza

Proof of Payment:
?

PM/Chat Logs:

(samuelxgames is me, Stinker is deng.boom1)

User Name   Chat Message   
deng.boom1   Hello there   
deng.boom1 samuelxgames      
deng.boom1   How are you   
samuelxgames   Hi, I'm fine thanks how U doin   
deng.boom1   @ work <ss type="sad"</ss>   
deng.boom1   ^^   
deng.boom1   you from hungary ?   
samuelxgames   yes   
deng.boom1   lol i have 1 house not far from ballaton <ss type="laugh"</ss>   
samuelxgames   hah cool   
deng.boom1   where in hungary you are   
samuelxgames   Budapest   
deng.boom1   oh before it was splitet to buda and pest right ? <ss type="smile"></ss>   
deng.boom1   ^^   
samuelxgames   yes   
deng.boom1   well how much coins you need   
deng.boom1   ?   
samuelxgames   $119 worth <ss type="smile"></ss>   
samuelxgames   market price plus whatever   
deng.boom1   i can sell bitstamp -2% so i give you 115$   
deng.boom1   4$ will be gone in my fees etc   
samuelxgames   and why aren&apos;t you afraid of that &apos;reversible&apos; risk like the others?   
deng.boom1   i belive that ppl are not all scammers   
deng.boom1   i did many good experince for now   
deng.boom1   so il try once more   
samuelxgames   I see   
deng.boom1   + i was same you in the first time   
deng.boom1   i wanted to use paypal etc no one helped me out i know how it is   
samuelxgames   ah right   
deng.boom1   <ss type="smile"></ss>   
samuelxgames   I didn&apos;t want to tell on the BTC forum but I need it for Ethereum sale <ss type="smile"></ss>   
deng.boom1   no worries if i get the cash you can do whatever you whant ^^   
deng.boom1   just let me know when you have time   
samuelxgames   let me check bitstamp   
deng.boom1   <ss type="yes">(y)</ss>   
samuelxgames   $592.10   
deng.boom1   0.195   
deng.boom1   then   
deng.boom1   == 115.77 $   
samuelxgames   ok I&apos;ll send you $119, please give me your payza address   
deng.boom1   <a href="mailto:thagft@gmail.com">thagft@gmail.com</a>   
samuelxgames   thx   
samuelxgames   I&apos;ll log out and go to linux now, I don&apos;t trust Windows with my money related activities   
deng.boom1   Sure   
samuelxgames   I&apos;ll ping you once I&apos;m back   
deng.boom1   Take your time   
samuelxgames   done <ss type="smile"></ss>   
deng.boom1   Hey yes i got some email but i am not at the pc i thinked you come back quick , can you allow me 2 hours ?   
samuelxgames   ok   
deng.boom1   Whats your wallet   
deng.boom1   ?   
samuelxgames   moment   
deng.boom1   <ss type="yes">(y)</ss>   
deng.boom1   you dont have skrill do you ?   
samuelxgames   nope   
samuelxgames   btw, if I set transaction fee to 0, will it be any problem?   
deng.boom1   well i got in total 115.xx usd   
deng.boom1   <ss type="laugh"</ss>   
deng.boom1   $115.78   
samuelxgames   no, I meant the bitcoin transaction fee   
deng.boom1   ah   
deng.boom1   no worries   
deng.boom1   is ok   
samuelxgames   you got exactly 115.78?   
deng.boom1   yep   
samuelxgames   ok than you estimated it quite accurately   
samuelxgames   [here I sent him my bitcoin address]   
deng.boom1   ok i need to drive il be on the higway soon, please do not panic i am back in Max 2-3 hours   
deng.boom1   ok ?   
samuelxgames   ok I won&apos;t be either <ss type="smile"></ss> if you send it today anytime, it&apos;s good   
deng.boom1   <ss type="yes">(y)</ss> i ping you soon   
samuelxgames   thx   
samuelxgames   bye   
deng.boom1   dude ?   
samuelxgames   yeah?   
deng.boom1   m8 ?   
deng.boom1   do you use credit cards for payza ?   
samuelxgames   yes, why?   
deng.boom1   Well please pay me via skrill because i just realized payza is shity to whitdraw , skrill not need open account just need CC   
deng.boom1   and i can give you some extra btc   
deng.boom1   i am back home now   
samuelxgames   but my money is already in payza   
samuelxgames   no more on CC   
deng.boom1   oh ^^   
samuelxgames   one thing why I can&apos;t use these simpler payments is because my bank account is linked to my entrepreneurship and I can&apos;t do such business through that   
deng.boom1   so no possible via skrill ?   
samuelxgames   unfortunately not...   
deng.boom1   ukash ?   
deng.boom1   paysafe ?   
deng.boom1   ^^   
samuelxgames   I already sent you the money...   
deng.boom1   i will refund it in 2 mins   
deng.boom1   whats your payza addy ?   
samuelxgames   I don&apos;t have other accounts at payment processors, and I&apos;d need the BTC latest on Tuesday   
deng.boom1   you do not need an account on skrill   
deng.boom1   <ss type="smile"></ss>   
deng.boom1   just a credit card   
samuelxgames   my credit card is empty. I cannot send back the payza money to my CC because that would be taxable business for me   
deng.boom1   Please tell me your payza mail i will refund right now <ss type="yes">(y)</ss>   
deng.boom1   no ukash ?   
deng.boom1   or paysafe card   
deng.boom1   ?   
samuelxgames   no   
deng.boom1   can be bought in any tabaco s hop   
samuelxgames   I don&apos;t want to buy anything. I was looking for someone who could send BTC for my payza. you told you could do that. I don&apos;t want any hassle   
deng.boom1   Ok BTC will be in your wallet in the next 10 Mins <ss type="yes">(y)</ss>   
samuelxgames   I don&apos;t see it yet   
samuelxgames   hello? more than an hour and still nothing   
samuelxgames   I see you are active on the forum in the meantime   
samuelxgames   If you are not going to send the BTC, please refund my payment and that&apos;s it   
samuelxgames   Oh it wasn&apos;t you who wrote on the forum... anyway, you said 10 minutes and it was 2 hours ago, I&apos;m waiting for you   
deng.boom1      
deng.boom1      
deng.boom1      
samuelxgames   I see you wrote but it says message deleted   
samuelxgames   so what&apos;s up?   
deng.boom1   Sorry dude   
samuelxgames   for what?   
deng.boom1   I spoke to payza   
deng.boom1   YOU ARE A DUTCHBAG   
samuelxgames   why?   
samuelxgames   I sent you the money   
deng.boom1   And i got my account Frozen   
deng.boom1   3.5k in the ass   
deng.boom1   I hope you die   
samuelxgames   ooo I see this is how you scam people?   
samuelxgames   what do I have to do with your frozen account?   
deng.boom1   Lol <ss type="smile"></ss>   
deng.boom1   You send as goods   
samuelxgames   NO   
deng.boom1   For a digital item   
samuelxgames   I sent as Other   
deng.boom1   Goodbye dutchbag on monday you have cash back   
deng.boom1   Pls not scam me anymore   
samuelxgames   wait, talk this over   
deng.boom1   I knew it was fishy   
deng.boom1   I am in the disco sorry by3   
samuelxgames   why would I pay $119 for your frozen account?   
samuelxgames   what&apos;s the profit for me in this? nothing   
samuelxgames   that makes no sense, you saw that I sent you the money   
samuelxgames   so if your acc is frozen, I also lost my money   
samuelxgames   why would I do that to myself?   
samuelxgames   send my money back now, I don&apos;t believe your bullshit   

Hi! I have $119 in my Payza account and I'd really like to turn it into BTC. I know, I'm a new member, etc., so I'm open to bargain deals to make up for the risk, or escrow or whatever.

Also if you have other suggestions on how to convert Payza to BTC without several tiers of payment processors and 15% lost in the conversions, I'll be thankful. I've never thought this would be so complicated until I actually tried to buy BTC...