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Who the fuck cares wo he/them was /where. I just give a shit about it...
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Well, atleast i can confirm, hat i've been offering Retro Money for helping me getting my full refund form the Alpha idiots. He refused that and asked me to make a donation to sea shepherd. I can proove it anytime by quoting the PM he sent me... @ Retro: The world is full of idiots. Don't worry mate  |
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"ALPHA TECHNOLOGY (INT) LIMITED
BATCH ONE CUSTOMER LOYALTY REWARD SCHEME
SCHEME RULES
Introduction
These rules govern the relationship between us, Alpha Technology (Int) Limited (Alpha), and you, our valued customer.
The Scheme is designed for batch one customers who purchased either a 50Mh/s or 250 Mh/s Viper (each a Viper) from Alpha on or before 31 August 2014, and who fulfil the eligibility requirements set out in paragraph 3.
Membership of the Scheme is not automatic. Being admitted to the Scheme, and being permitted to remain a member of the Scheme, is subject to the rules set out in paragraph 3
For the avoidance of doubt, the Scheme will have no application to any orders which are placed on or after 1 September 2014, whether in relation to batch one Vipers or to any subsequent batches....."
THIS IS A FUCKN JOKE!
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Good ol' fashioned credit cards. Got my refund. GG.
But how did You do it? I've paid by credit card through PayPal. PayPal sent me an email, that they can not do anything, because it is more then 45 days. Actionfraud.police.co.uk sent me email, that they can not do anything, because: Your report has been assessed by the NFIB and there is insufficient information that would provide clear lines of investigation at this time. Clear lines of investigation include, but are not limited to, things such as bank account details where money was transferred to, names and addresses of the suspect(s) and where appropriate, vehicle registration details. So I decided to contact PayPal again and ask them for a banck account details, but the case is closed. And there is no option how to open it again, nor open a new one for the same transaction. Also they are not responding to email communication to service@paypal.com . How can I obtain AlphaTech bank account details? What Can I do now??? Please help. Donīt go to Paypal! Even if Your CC Bank is asking for it. Start the Claim directley with the Bank, Hosting your CC. Many People including myself did it that way and got their Money back. In my case within 2 weeks. Good Luck. You say I have to start this https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/web/mcol/welcome not to Alpha, not to PayPal, but directly to my bank??? No! Just Forget about Alpha and Paypal. File a Claim with your Bank! which gave you you CC! Tell them you are a victim of Internet fraught. Tell them the Story about Alpha changing theit TOS several times, removed their Tel. Number, That they removed the possibility of Payment py Paypal and CC, although they promissed it in theit original TOS. That they refuse to refund you and/or have stopped comunication with you and that THEY ( The Bank ) are supposed to Charge back your Money. In Any Case: Remember, that you are responsible for telling them the truth, and that you should have been trying, to get your Money back from Alpha direcly bifore. Good Luck |
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Good ol' fashioned credit cards. Got my refund. GG.
But how did You do it? I've paid by credit card through PayPal. PayPal sent me an email, that they can not do anything, because it is more then 45 days. Actionfraud.police.co.uk sent me email, that they can not do anything, because: Your report has been assessed by the NFIB and there is insufficient information that would provide clear lines of investigation at this time. Clear lines of investigation include, but are not limited to, things such as bank account details where money was transferred to, names and addresses of the suspect(s) and where appropriate, vehicle registration details. So I decided to contact PayPal again and ask them for a banck account details, but the case is closed. And there is no option how to open it again, nor open a new one for the same transaction. Also they are not responding to email communication to service@paypal.com . How can I obtain AlphaTech bank account details? What Can I do now??? Please help. Donīt go to Paypal! Even if Your CC Bank is asking for it. Start the Claim directley with the Bank, Hosting your CC. Many People including myself did it that way and got their Money back. In my case within 2 weeks. Good Luck. |
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Since i got my money back, there is no problem for me, beeing banned... Iīm fine with that.... And iīm sure i can find the newest and funniest "soon, rest assured, we are on track" and all the other BS here....  |
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OK... seems they finnaly got it: Sorry --------, you are banned from using this forum!
This ban is not set to expire.
It took more than a week, for them to realize that i got charged back my mastercard....  |
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Nice... very nice. Seeing More and more people getting charged back theyr money makes me feel good. |
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steam is worth billions, if they can be taken to court what will happen to alpha tech.... my refund was refused although the distance selling regulation is clear, if i dont have a miner IN my house next month i am going the fraud reporting/debt collector route aswell Yes! Donīt let the Idiotīs get away with their Scam. Meanwhile i belive thei will never develop or ship anything. Communication in the AT Forum is almost dead. Iīm happy i got my Money back thru Mastercard.... |
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I personály think These idiotīs will never ever deliver anything!
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Well good to read on here that some others besides me have gotten refunds from Amex.....as I have also. But alpha is doomed even with a product ...GAWminers just announced FREE hashing to the people who purchased their Vaultbreakers (6995) 750mh and the smaller don't know the price 350mh ..while not available as equipment to them yet FREE hashing either temp (till equip shipped prob in a month) or perm xfer to their virtual hashing farm FOR THE WHOLE BATCH considering that it is likely imho that the GAWminer's Vaultbreaker (before they sold out) was as large at least as the kNC Titan batch 1 that is likely to arrive at your door in 6 weeks ...well even if alpha got something out it would be way too little way to late as a Titan purchaser I be screwed ...so expect a big big splash in that folks who ordered the above now have option to hash as soon as they can email gawminers As you can see I have their sig at the bottom and am in their sig campaign....but I have NO CLUE how GAWminers is pulling off Hashnet and this virtual 'we will bury' the Titan project (KNC) ......they must have imho really really really big bucks behind them in all I can see...so I'll run their sig until proven otherwise but if they manage to pull this all off they will own scrypt mining (not entirely sure this is a good thing) whatever if you got a Vaultminer you are very happy today. As to KNC's reply to all this trash talk by Gawminer's ..nada zip...zilch they have our $$ no refund...and KNC used to be such a good company anyway live and learn...again I've said this before " a new asic company is like a fresh basket of fruit...all well and good but over time the fruit rots" we wlll see once the hype has died down on GAWminers if they deliver or not here is the fighting words https://hashtalk.org/t/vaultbeakers-come-early/7605ie alpha is even more doomed then it was before...and it was doomed before..ack! 'double doomed!" so it goes Searing Hi, i promised to Keep you informed about my case. Yesterday i got reply from mastercard. They are charging back my Money in full!!! i will ask py PM for some different BTC adresses to make a Little Donation to those who advised me, like i promissed. iīll have to wait some dayīs until the Money is back on my account again. thankīs again for all the Information and your help guys... |
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I called Discover and said I wanted to dispute a charge, gave the date of the order and the merchant name, explained it was an order for a computer that was supposed to ship some months after I ordered it but never arrived and that I had tried to contact the merchant to request a refund but had been denied. That was it, I wasn't too specific about the date it was supposed to arrive. They did ask why I waited so long to dispute it, and I explained it was an order for an item that hadn't been released yet, but that the date of it's release had come and gone with no product arriving. They didn't need any additonial info.
This triggered a dispute in PayPal almost immediately with the description "Item never arrived", in the details it said "We're reviewing this chargeback and we'll contact you if we need more information. You don't need to do anything further at this time". Opened it on June 30th, didn't hear anything from Discover or PayPal, case closed in my favor July 16th.
I did exactley the same with Mastercard yesterday. Waiting for them to get back to me. Will be keeping you guys informed... OK, Just got my Reply from mastercard. Since itīs been more than 120 dayīs, they canīt do anything about it. They suggested to open a Claim with Paypal. my amex card was way more then 120 days and they jumped right on the fraud/dispute stuff...mainly for non-delivery and also imho because I paid 30% down on a paypal product and the association of my amex cc protection and then alpha said I had to pay the remaining 70% via no paypal or cc and via unsecured method...that again imho p/o amex big time...still can't find out what they did/said to alpha to get my refund (may not have done anything and alpha missed the 2nd deadline at 30 days rather then the first deadline at 45 days (on this bill they sent on 44th day) ..which they responded to with a bill looking like the 30% was a full payment...thus I lost dispute #1 ..made another with the above info won that dispute)..so heck call someone else up try to make another dispute..see how it goes with a different angle I'd really push it and see how mastercard treats fraud..yell for some higher ups in the food chain there but the regular reps...if they somehow let you get a hold of fraud dept just offer to make a dispute to give them info...even if they won't take your claim..you may get lucky if they see the merchant TOS with them has been violated....etc but again point out that others (me) an amex customer it was like more then 5 months and that amex found fraud on the part of the merchant in that alpha allowed me to pay 30% down with cc option and promise of remaining payment the same way but then will not refund you unless you send them unsecured funds for the missed date vaporware equipment and you feel it is extortion..they get the last 70% via there way or the highway or you take a 30% loss ..again ..amex got on this because it was in i think amex view a front end vaporware scam that they looked by association to be a part of the fraud....freaked them out a little in case other folks used this method of looking legit with paypal and amex then bolting for the hills if YOU HAVE to as a last resort go thru paypal..1) say you want to report fraud..detail it all out to the rep alpha's tale of woe and games they play make them forward it to the fraud dept..if they agree...(they did with BFL but told me after 12 months past from my order to call them again...this was at 7months or some such...went no place in my case) 2) the fraud dept will PHONE YOU UP or not..if yes you have a place to vent and perhaps get them to refund anyway....after you do that you can do this next step but you have to (maybe?) go thru fraud dept first not sure...but anyway IF THAT DON"T WORK...your last chance is to ask to contact someone on the PAYPAL EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE it may be hard to get an email and such but place an emphasis that this is one going fraud with paypal and cc companies looking complicit in the front up $$$ protected then boom not protected on last 70% etc.. you could get lucky or not... SOME people back in nov/dec 2013 when BFL offered NO refunds or anytihing....got this done by going before the 9 individuals on this paypal executive after it hit bitcontalk imho the comittee got overwhelmed..did not matter anyway with the mad rush at that point BFL changed banks etc to block paypal from getting any more $$$ or so I was told by paypal back at the time I tried this nov/dec 2013.. ie I would have gotten $$ thru this paypal exec committee but no more funds BFL could access or so I was told (probably by accident she maybe should not have told me) but paypal could get no more $$ out of BFL at that point in time (man was i pissed soooooo close missed it by a couple days) there is an old bitcointalk on it someplace here I think..and the crushing disappointment when the tap went dry (i did eventually get a refund by luck...probation hearings on BFL employees and the class action suit on a monarch upgrade ..but that was just dumb luck) anyway find out if you have equiv executive committee type stuff with master card .they got to have a fraud dept ...work that angle I can't see master card or paypal putting up with vaporware sales of 30% down and no secured method to pay the last 70% or you lose it all....I mean come on alpha does not even post its phone number anymore! If not well you can vent and at least know you did the good fight (i gave up after dec 2013 on bfl got a refund another way...but felt better I tried even when I was sure (and still am) that hell would freeze over before a BFL refund..needless to say I now think of hell as a quite pretty winter wonderland as a result good luck these are at least angles I've tried (did not work) but hey...wtf do you have to lose>? Anyway all I have hope it helps ..... Searing Many thanks guys! I wrote en email to them this morning, reffering to this : ( thankīs eneloop ) http://www.mastercard.com/us/merchant/pdf/TB_CB_Manual.pdf Page 34 and explained the Situation as dircribed above by you. Letīs wait what happens... Anyway: Donīt risk more than you can afford to lose!
So Iīm willing to give it another try, but iīm not willing to give the Alpha Idiots to much control over my life, just for some Money. Money Comes and goes my dad used to say. Live and learn... Now mastercard replied to me, requesting me to fill in theyr form of Dispute. Now they agree that there ist still chances to Charge back my Money. Letīs wailt and see... guess i have to make some donations IF things come out lucky and i be refunded. ( prapare you adresses ) Anyway, thanks guys. |
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I called Discover and said I wanted to dispute a charge, gave the date of the order and the merchant name, explained it was an order for a computer that was supposed to ship some months after I ordered it but never arrived and that I had tried to contact the merchant to request a refund but had been denied. That was it, I wasn't too specific about the date it was supposed to arrive. They did ask why I waited so long to dispute it, and I explained it was an order for an item that hadn't been released yet, but that the date of it's release had come and gone with no product arriving. They didn't need any additonial info.
This triggered a dispute in PayPal almost immediately with the description "Item never arrived", in the details it said "We're reviewing this chargeback and we'll contact you if we need more information. You don't need to do anything further at this time". Opened it on June 30th, didn't hear anything from Discover or PayPal, case closed in my favor July 16th.
I did exactley the same with Mastercard yesterday. Waiting for them to get back to me. Will be keeping you guys informed... OK, Just got my Reply from mastercard. Since itīs been more than 120 dayīs, they canīt do anything about it. They suggested to open a Claim with Paypal. my amex card was way more then 120 days and they jumped right on the fraud/dispute stuff...mainly for non-delivery and also imho because I paid 30% down on a paypal product and the association of my amex cc protection and then alpha said I had to pay the remaining 70% via no paypal or cc and via unsecured method...that again imho p/o amex big time...still can't find out what they did/said to alpha to get my refund (may not have done anything and alpha missed the 2nd deadline at 30 days rather then the first deadline at 45 days (on this bill they sent on 44th day) ..which they responded to with a bill looking like the 30% was a full payment...thus I lost dispute #1 ..made another with the above info won that dispute)..so heck call someone else up try to make another dispute..see how it goes with a different angle I'd really push it and see how mastercard treats fraud..yell for some higher ups in the food chain there but the regular reps...if they somehow let you get a hold of fraud dept just offer to make a dispute to give them info...even if they won't take your claim..you may get lucky if they see the merchant TOS with them has been violated....etc but again point out that others (me) an amex customer it was like more then 5 months and that amex found fraud on the part of the merchant in that alpha allowed me to pay 30% down with cc option and promise of remaining payment the same way but then will not refund you unless you send them unsecured funds for the missed date vaporware equipment and you feel it is extortion..they get the last 70% via there way or the highway or you take a 30% loss ..again ..amex got on this because it was in i think amex view a front end vaporware scam that they looked by association to be a part of the fraud....freaked them out a little in case other folks used this method of looking legit with paypal and amex then bolting for the hills if YOU HAVE to as a last resort go thru paypal..1) say you want to report fraud..detail it all out to the rep alpha's tale of woe and games they play make them forward it to the fraud dept..if they agree...(they did with BFL but told me after 12 months past from my order to call them again...this was at 7months or some such...went no place in my case) 2) the fraud dept will PHONE YOU UP or not..if yes you have a place to vent and perhaps get them to refund anyway....after you do that you can do this next step but you have to (maybe?) go thru fraud dept first not sure...but anyway IF THAT DON"T WORK...your last chance is to ask to contact someone on the PAYPAL EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE it may be hard to get an email and such but place an emphasis that this is one going fraud with paypal and cc companies looking complicit in the front up $$$ protected then boom not protected on last 70% etc.. you could get lucky or not... SOME people back in nov/dec 2013 when BFL offered NO refunds or anytihing....got this done by going before the 9 individuals on this paypal executive after it hit bitcontalk imho the comittee got overwhelmed..did not matter anyway with the mad rush at that point BFL changed banks etc to block paypal from getting any more $$$ or so I was told by paypal back at the time I tried this nov/dec 2013.. ie I would have gotten $$ thru this paypal exec committee but no more funds BFL could access or so I was told (probably by accident she maybe should not have told me) but paypal could get no more $$ out of BFL at that point in time (man was i pissed soooooo close missed it by a couple days) there is an old bitcointalk on it someplace here I think..and the crushing disappointment when the tap went dry (i did eventually get a refund by luck...probation hearings on BFL employees and the class action suit on a monarch upgrade ..but that was just dumb luck) anyway find out if you have equiv executive committee type stuff with master card .they got to have a fraud dept ...work that angle I can't see master card or paypal putting up with vaporware sales of 30% down and no secured method to pay the last 70% or you lose it all....I mean come on alpha does not even post its phone number anymore! If not well you can vent and at least know you did the good fight (i gave up after dec 2013 on bfl got a refund another way...but felt better I tried even when I was sure (and still am) that hell would freeze over before a BFL refund..needless to say I now think of hell as a quite pretty winter wonderland as a result good luck these are at least angles I've tried (did not work) but hey...wtf do you have to lose>? Anyway all I have hope it helps ..... Searing Many thanks guys! I wrote en email to them this morning, reffering to this : ( thankīs eneloop ) http://www.mastercard.com/us/merchant/pdf/TB_CB_Manual.pdf Page 34 and explained the Situation as dircribed above by you. Letīs wait what happens... Anyway: Donīt risk more than you can afford to lose!
So Iīm willing to give it another try, but iīm not willing to give the Alpha Idiots to much control over my life, just for some Money. Money Comes and goes my dad used to say. Live and learn... |
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OK, Just got my Reply from mastercard. Since itīs been more than 120 dayīs, they canīt do anything about it. They suggested to open a Claim with Paypal.
In the UK at least it's 120 days from the day you became aware of the problem. Not 120 days from payment. As Alpha failed to deliver on 31st of July as they stated many times, that is the date the chargeback clock should start running. http://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/problem/how-do-i-use-chargebackTime limit There is a time limit on chargeback claims - typically 120 days - which starts from the day you become aware of a problem. There is also an overall cut off point of 540 days for Visa chargeback. Therefore, your deadline for requesting a chargeback is 120 days from discovering you have a problem, or 540 days from the transaction date, whichever comes first.
OK, thanks for the advice. I will give it a try. But Iīm not sure, if the same Rules apply to me as i am a german citicen and ma CC Bank is in Luxenbourgh. But I will call them tomorrow again. Another question: What, if i had Alpha told to Cancel my Order and give me a full refund( What they didīnt, as i am still listet as a customer on theyr Forum ) and on the other hand I offered my Contract on ebay for sale? Any Ideas what could/will happen? THX |
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I called Discover and said I wanted to dispute a charge, gave the date of the order and the merchant name, explained it was an order for a computer that was supposed to ship some months after I ordered it but never arrived and that I had tried to contact the merchant to request a refund but had been denied. That was it, I wasn't too specific about the date it was supposed to arrive. They did ask why I waited so long to dispute it, and I explained it was an order for an item that hadn't been released yet, but that the date of it's release had come and gone with no product arriving. They didn't need any additonial info.
This triggered a dispute in PayPal almost immediately with the description "Item never arrived", in the details it said "We're reviewing this chargeback and we'll contact you if we need more information. You don't need to do anything further at this time". Opened it on June 30th, didn't hear anything from Discover or PayPal, case closed in my favor July 16th.
I did exactley the same with Mastercard yesterday. Waiting for them to get back to me. Will be keeping you guys informed... OK, Just got my Reply from mastercard. Since itīs been more than 120 dayīs, they canīt do anything about it. They suggested to open a Claim with Paypal. |
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I called Discover and said I wanted to dispute a charge, gave the date of the order and the merchant name, explained it was an order for a computer that was supposed to ship some months after I ordered it but never arrived and that I had tried to contact the merchant to request a refund but had been denied. That was it, I wasn't too specific about the date it was supposed to arrive. They did ask why I waited so long to dispute it, and I explained it was an order for an item that hadn't been released yet, but that the date of it's release had come and gone with no product arriving. They didn't need any additonial info.
This triggered a dispute in PayPal almost immediately with the description "Item never arrived", in the details it said "We're reviewing this chargeback and we'll contact you if we need more information. You don't need to do anything further at this time". Opened it on June 30th, didn't hear anything from Discover or PayPal, case closed in my favor July 16th.
I did exactley the same with Mastercard yesterday. Waiting for them to get back to me. Will be keeping you guys informed... |
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" if the terms do say that you are deemed to be a business then this is what you are legally bound to."
Thatīs the pont. nothing has changed, since there was no word about it in ATīs initial Terms when we purchased in January!
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It's still hard for some folks to swallow the load of reality which is this situation. I musst have missed this  Didnīt mean to spread disinformation. |
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The Andrew Laurus Story is not confirmed. I think it is just a hoax.  |
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Some here are saying this si a write off and we should not be hopping mad about it. Well i have a different view on it.
Personally i intend to call the MD to court to explain in detail where the money has gone. I have a friend who is an insolvency trustee in the UK and i intend to get him to help me with that later stage and if/when At does not refund i think he would be happy to become trustee. he would then tear the company to bits and if there was any wrong doing can refer the directors to authorities.
That is my motivation now.
it is a fair bit down the road and i will keep you all unto date on how things go but there seems to have been serious wrong doings and if they are shuffling money away, or have done, then they are in trouble.
Itīs one Thing, wanting them to be punished, IF they were scamming the People, like seeing them go to jail. I totally agree with you in that pont. Itīs another Thing, spending moore Money, to hunt for an empty basket, just to be dissapointed again, and to take even moore loss in the End. |
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