so true on this side and the trolls are forgetting that side even when that 10 percent is taken out BAN still kills the other pools as it works to a expected rigs earn on the PPS not like the other pools which are all down from it as the long term data above shows quite clear as NONE have hit the expected earns where BAN would of been on par with it... Even the other 2 true paying PPS POOLS that charge a fee in discus fish and the other one would of killed the PPNLS pools in that data.... AS discus fish is also a true paying PPS pool charging a 4 percent fee so that pool would also out done p2 pool BTC GUILD and elgiuis etc.....
And people wonder why discus grow so fast it cause people know how to use a calculator unlike the trolls in here and wanted a stop put to been ripped off by pool operators that use a pplns payout system or any of the other mod payouts eg the eliguis one etc....
Here you go spreading lies and misconceptions yet again. First you try to derail the thread by bringing Eligius into it - which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Now you're writing the same garbage about how BAN kills other pools and yet have not shown a single shred of evidence to prove your claims. I have PROVEN that p2pool outperformed BAN since BAN began, and I have PROVEN that p2pool crushed BAN during the testing period shown in the "BAN is the best" thread. Put your BTC where your mouth is. Show me the evidence of how BAN is crushing p2pool. You can't because such evidence doesn't exist. Lmao any normal person that knows how to use a bitcoin calculator can work this out.. We do not need to post anything as on a TRUE PPS paying pool earnings match your rigs expected earnings minus the pool fee if there is one eg discus at 4 percent or in BAN case zero fees DAY in and out A true PPS paying pool is one of the most open and upfront paying methods that a pool operator can use as there NO way to hide things as joe bloggs has only got to do the above to work out their payouts and if it does not match (1-2 percent margin for hash) you know the pool not paying right And to the second part of this post there was a 20 day test ran and the info is over in the BAN thread on this btc address http://minefast.coincadence.com/miner.php?id=14hK4PKZyisS5HECapW9jmmUfuMRt4D9o3 the rig was a 820 g rig ran from the 30th of oct to 22 nov you going to have to add the total payouts on that address by hand as it had been used in the past on p2 many moons ago ... In that test BAN paid 50 percent higher than p2 |
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It's like he just jumped right in the boat without even bothering to put up a fight. Too bad his response offered up absolutely nothing of value. I really do wish someone who's been mining on BAN would come and share their experience and payouts so we can see just how they actually do. Good luck on that wish. Based on their thread(s), it's nothing but people who can't spell, perform basic arithmetic, or understand that -10% fee PPS is going to end in a lot of people getting fucked over if they're not already. eleuthria its hard to get "fucked over" when you can get paid hourly. I have enough bonus payments and then some (a S3 miner free) that I could not get paid for a month and still not get screwed. I have been screwed over worst back when I mined at Slushes pool ( and no pool operatorer to be found when needed) and got screwed on a couple of payouts and that is why I moved to BTC Guild when I did. edit: I just moved my miners off BAN as the payments and website are both down but will move them back once I know everything is ok. The miners who started mining early on will likely end up with a positive EV from mining on BAN as their early extra payments would make up for the lower/no payments that will eventually happen when they can no longer afford to continue paying 110% pps. It is the miners who start mining on BAN later on that will end up getting screwed as they will have a higher percentage of their total EV mining reward withheald when they eventually collapse and stop paying mining proceeds. The only way a pool can payout 110% pps is if they are able to have an average luck of over 110% s0br post over 3 months ago that it was a temporary thing to only build hash rate and when the pool got to 5PH it would most likely stop. I dont think anybody thinks it will last forever. so true on this side and the trolls are forgetting that side even when that 10 percent is taken out BAN still kills the other pools as it works to a expected rigs earn on the PPS not like the other pools which are all down from it as the long term data above shows quite clear as NONE have hit the expected earns where BAN would of been on par with it... Even the other 2 true paying PPS POOLS that charge a fee in discus fish and the other one would of killed the PPNLS pools in that data.... AS discus fish is also a true paying PPS pool charging a 4 percent fee so that pool would also out done p2 pool BTC GUILD and elgiuis etc..... And people wonder why discus grow so fast it cause people know how to use a calculator unlike the trolls in here and wanted a stop put to been ripped off by pool operators that use a pplns payout system or any of the other mod payouts eg the eliguis one etc.... |
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IS eliguis NOT A PPS paying pool  ? Why don't you go look yourself? I assume you are used to being wrong by now, so you shouldn't be surprised to learn the answer is: NO. It is NOT a pure PPS pool. The full block reward (including transaction fees) is distributed according to the Capped PPS with Recent Backpay (CPPSRB) system. Lmao you may want to re read the post of mine again it stated in there it is a 10 percent of a not 100 percent paying PPS pool (due to the share shelving that eligus does) |
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It's like he just jumped right in the boat without even bothering to put up a fight. Too bad his response offered up absolutely nothing of value. I really do wish someone who's been mining on BAN would come and share their experience and payouts so we can see just how they actually do. Good luck on that wish. Based on their thread(s), it's nothing but people who can't spell, perform basic arithmetic, or understand that -10% fee PPS is going to end in a lot of people getting fucked over if they're not already. Lmao you may want to look at the pools spec again as it is a fee free pool NOT a 10 percent fee pool  so does not know where you are getting this 10 percent fee from lmao... |
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Let's pick apart your completely nonsensical reply. JUST A CORRECTION TO THE ABOVE STATEMENT BAN IN FACT THE HIGHER PAYING POOL.....
now to explain it lol
Sure would have been nice if you actually bothered explaining the completely false statement you just made. But instead, you lead off with some rambling BS about Eligius. What does Eligius have to do with anything here? The answer is nothing. Let's move on. take that eligius number that is a PPS pool like BAN but the difference is BAN is paying a bounus 10 percent on top of the normal 100 percent paying PPS now factor that in to the eligius numbers 10 percent of a not 100 percent paying PPS pool (due to the share shelving that eligus does) is 15.8041 x 0.1 = 1.58041 So when you add that 10 percent extra in BAN has paid out 17.38451 so cough cough you want to correct your statement re p2 and ban.... AS it in fact it the other way around... AS BAN ALSO DOES NOT SHELF SHARES AS eligus does so that gap even higher when you factor in the shelf shares that eligus does SOME simple math of the eligius PPS numbers show quite clear what the BAN payout would of been for the same time frame PS they also merge mine now so that gap is further when the merge mining factored in again a PPS payout Oh look... you make ridiculous claims about the Eligius payout system, how BAN would have done better and your conclusion is that I need to revise my statement on p2pool. You offer no proof of any of your claims, which I guess I can understand since the claims themselves have absolutely no basis in reality. Also something else that caught my eye is this part of the pool test results here So, none of his tested pools have met expectations. However, p2Pool still wins here at 93.83% of expectations. You can add another 6 percent to the number above of 17.38451 as BAN is paying out at 100 percent of a expected rigs earn day in and out before the 10 perecnt bonus is factored in a simple 24 hour test would show this clear as days that the BAN PPS is basically right on the money with a rig expected earn via the stats on the homepage and what any bitcoin calculator splits out as the expected earn -/+ 1-2 percent to allow for a avg hash ... <<<< this comes back to the Eligius mod PPS system not paying a true 100 percent PPS due to the share shelving on their PPS so you would have to also look at the percent difference there as well of what the expected earn would of been on the rigs in question and also add that difference in to make up for the difference in the 2 different pps payouts .... so that 6 percent could well be 10-15 percent have not sit there and done the numbers to find how much more BAN is paying vs eligius on the PPS front with out factoring in the bounus
You're still on Eligius and trying to convince everyone that BAN is going to beat it by 10-15% but offer absolutely no proof. Good luck. NOW to the second lot of fud here Miners and dates, with hash rate and expected earnings 7/20 - 7/30, 2xS1 @ 400GH/s. Expected: 0.1121BTC 7/20 - 11/26 1xS3 @ 440GH/s. Expected: 1.0367BTC 7/20 - 11/26 1xS3 @ 420GH/s. Expected: 0.9896BTC 7/20 - 8/1 1xSP10 @ 1.35TH/s. Expected: 0.4509BTC 8/1 - 11/26 3xS3 @ 1.32TH/s. Expected: 2.6692BTC 8/9 - 11/26 3xS3 @ 1.32TH/s. Expected: 2.3875BTC Expected total earnings from mining: 7.646BTC Actual mined BTC: 8.61186032BTC Difference: 0.96586032BTC No FUD here, just solid numbers that can be verified from the addresses I provided. What's that? Oh yeah, it's called proof. Something you have completely neglected to provide. P2Pool has beaten expectations for the time period that BAN has been in existence by 12.6%. In other words, p2pool has paid 112.63% of expected earnings. YOU MAY WANT TO SIT THERE AND ALSO FACTOR IN THE 10 percent bonus on the expected total earnings from mining: 7.646BTC THAT BAN PAYS which brings BAN UP TO 8.4106 btc and then factor in the NMC blocks they have hit in this time Um... 12.63% beats 10% every time. Not sure how you're convincing yourself otherwise. NMC? That's not included, but if you want to, I will. I merge mine not only NMC, but also DVC, IXC, I0C, FSC. Oh, p2pool also has a donation mechanism, whereby anyone can donate as much BTC as they want. Should I also include that into this? If we do, then my numbers only go up, since during the timeframe of the experiment, I mined blocks of all of the merged coins and received donations. YOU will more than likely find ban even out does P2 pool in this set of numbers as well or comes very close... it NOT 12.6 percent as claimed above as the poster forgot to factor in the bonus payments on top of the PPS and the nmc blocks.... It more likely they are on par or BAN has it nose in front just earning wise on this second set of data.... I didn't forget anything, and I never claimed p2pool beat BAN by 12.6%. I clearly laid out what was mined on p2pool during specific timeframes. The first was during the entirety of BAN's existence and the result was that p2pool paid 112.63% of expectations, which does in fact beat BAN's 110% of expectations - meaning p2pool beats BAN by 2.63%. The second timeframe, which you completely ignored in your reply, p2pool paid 174.86% of expected earnings - meaning p2pool beat BAN by 64.86%. I even showed numbers from a long running experiment in which p2pool has from February 1 until now beaten two highly recognized pools. So, in conclusion, p2pool has beaten BAN's payouts for the entirety of BAN's existence. I have provided absolutely irrefutable proof of my argument. I invite anyone who has been mining on BAN for the same timeframes to please join this thread to show your numbers so we can all see a true and honest comparison between the pools. Right to put this is simple question form for you lmao IS eliguis NOT A modify PPS paying pool which shelves shares ? YES THIS IS FACT IS BAN NOT A TRUE PAYING PPS POOL YES this is fact... So of them 2 questions one have one that pays at 100 percent of a rig expected earn in BAN and the other does NOT NOW TO SPELL THIS OUT LOL NOW off your numbers above the test rigs expected earn was Using his 6 S1s @ 1080GH/s total, expected earnings for that timeframe (2/1 - 10/30) are: 18.0886B <<<< this is the BAN payout as it is a 100 percent payout of expect earn day in and out... AS PPS works to the expect earn.... SO to start with under ban in that test data you would of earned 18.0886 btc then factor in the 10 percent bonus they pay so that bring it up to 19.89746 so you would of earnt a full 2.5 btc more than the P2 pool that paid out p2pool - BTC16.9718.... IT not that hard to work out and your data just backs up BAN killing P2 pool for payouts Again you may want to correct the false claim |
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Since it wasn't mentioned in the original post, I'd like to post the numbers for p2pool, and to quite effectively put fire000's ravings out to pasture - especially his claims that p2pool's payment system is flawed/broken/whatever. Months ago he brought those same claims to the p2pool thread. I'd like to post actual numbers here. From 8/9 until today I have had 8 Antminer S3s mining on p2pool. I mine on my own node. I've actually been mining on p2pool since April; however, during that time I have had multiple different hash rates from numerous different miners (S1s, S2, SP10, S3s) and have tried out numerous different pools like Eligius, BTCGuild, GHash.io, etc. The only reason I chose to start this report on 8/9 was because from that day until today I've had only the 8 S3s running, and they have only been mining on p2pool. I used http://www.retrocalc.net to calculate what the expected earnings of 3.52TH/s are from 8/9 until 11/24. The expected mined amount during that timeframe is 6.2788 BTC for that hashing rate. From p2pool, I have mined 7.26466827 BTC. P2Pool has paid me 0.98586827BTC above expectations, in other words, 115.70% of expected payout.Is there anyone that has been mining on BAN with this same hash rate for this timeframe who can post their numbers? I'd like to see an actual, fair and honest comparison. There used to be a great thread comparing Eligius, BTCGuild and p2pool here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=416933.0. Unfortunately, that thread hasn't been updated in quite some time. Thanks. PS - I also merge mine NMC, DVC, IXC, I0C and FSC on my node. All proceeds from those coins I have earned have been donated back to the p2pool community by me, and are not included in my earnings above. The above numbers are strictly mined BTC on p2pool. LMAO numbers where posted to back up the above claim even the BTC aaddress and the nodes etc that were used for the test... If you care to trace back the data it shows clear as days the P2pool paying at less than 50 percent of the rigs expected earn for the test period So try again PS I do not see any data to back this claim of yours so once again " I am yet to see ANY ONE in this whole thread shot down sorbs and ban claim in the heading or the opening post[/b] I have dropped a traceable data source eg in the early posts in this thread to back the above statement re it paying at less the 50 percent SO taps and waits to see some real data not numbers pulled out of my ass as you have done above dropping numbers but no data that can be followed back to blocks etc... I also notice the p2 trolls have gone very quite since the traceable data was dropped that alone says enough in it self Traceable data? Here's the wallet address I've mined to: 1DeVLDoGvkbbB5n3dPvbpDbwiKGjYckCy9 Feel free to check it out. You can look at the payout history here: http://minefast.coincadence.com/miner.php?id=1DeVLDoGvkbbB5n3dPvbpDbwiKGjYckCy9&blockoffset=0That's about as clear as it can be. You have posted a set of specific dates where the luck proved to be bad. That's the nature of luck. It can be good OR bad. I have posted 3.5 months of data and payouts clearly showing p2pool has not only met, but beaten, expectations. EDIT: you'll notice that nowhere in my post have I bashed BAN, or made any comment about any of s0br's claims. I have specifically stated that p2pool was left out of the comparison in the original post, and have corrected your false statements that p2pool's payout system is somehow flawed. I did ask for somebody who has mined on BAN with a comparable hash rate to mine to please step forward and provide their numbers so we can see a head-to-head comparison between the pools. EDIT 2: Just for fun, I checked everything from the time BAN opened its doors (I used the announcement on BAN's website of 7/20/2014 as the start date) and compared that to my mining on p2pool for the same timeframe: 7/20/2014 until 11/26/2014. As before, I used http://retrocalc.net to figure out the expected earnings during this timeframe for my hash rate. During this time, I have had S1s, SP10 and S3s mining. I sold the S1s and the SP10 and the dates and data reflect them hashing until I unplugged them and shipped them out. Here are the results: Miners and dates, with hash rate and expected earnings7/20 - 7/30, 2xS1 @ 400GH/s. Expected: 0.1121 BTC7/20 - 11/26 1xS3 @ 440GH/s. Expected: 1.0367 BTC7/20 - 11/26 1xS3 @ 420GH/s. Expected: 0.9896 BTC7/20 - 8/1 1xSP10 @ 1.35TH/s. Expected: 0.4509 BTC8/1 - 11/26 3xS3 @ 1.32TH/s. Expected: 2.6692 BTC8/9 - 11/26 3xS3 @ 1.32TH/s. Expected: 2.3875 BTCExpected total earnings from mining: 7.646BTCActual mined BTC: 8.61186032 BTCDifference: 0.96586032 BTCP2Pool has beaten expectations for the time period that BAN has been in existence by 12.6%. In other words, p2pool has paid 112.63% of expected earnings.Feel free to check the data. Here are the addresses to which I've mined: 1DeVLDoGvkbbB5n3dPvbpDbwiKGjYckCy9 1H2uK38p6XEpiqPkECVNpC3CSTWxVwPGBS 1FEztNFHXvx7pCDSVy4xJ9JGxFGFSDKNXg 1BST6cuZ2ZhpsFaq3eY1xwFKzEDLfAWgqF 1DLcDRVncY7Zasd91oBw12XrQfLPohtNZP 1FWTtUBVk9XdkrfWkvS3uBN6CRkGgaMrQv You can validate this against the blockchain, as well as see the payouts by going to http://minefast.coincadence.com/miner.php and plugging each of those addresses. Therefore, in the OP, the rankings should put p2pool as the number 1 paying pool. By the way, I checked out the test as linked in the OP. Nowhere does that test give actual proof of wallet addresses that can be verified as I have. If I use the exact dates as that test, here are the numbers: 10/20 - 10/27 8xS3 @ 440GH/s. Expected: 0.3485 BTC. Actual: 0.60947698 BTC. Difference of 0.26097698 BTC. During the tested timeframe, p2pool beat expectations by 74.86%. You're reading that right. During the timeframe from 10/20 - 10/27, p2pool paid 174.86% of expected earnings, which absolutely destroys any other of the tested pools. Once again, please feel free to validate my data. During that time, I mined to 1DeVLDoGvkbbB5n3dPvbpDbwiKGjYckCy9. So, in conclusion, p2pool has consistently beaten expectations and has beaten BAN's payouts. JUST to correct some fud in this post and the poster should of picked up on it when they posted the other thread and a few other pools EDIT: semaster has updated his comparison thread of p2pool vs Eligius vs BTCGuild. The thread is located here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=416933.0. According to his tests, p2pool is in the lead paying: p2pool - BTC16.9718 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC16.0933 VS Eligius BTC15.8041 Using his 6 S1s @ 1080GH/s total, expected earnings for that timeframe (2/1 - 10/30) are: 18.0886BTC. So, none of his tested pools have met expectations. However, p2Pool still wins here at 93.83% of expectations. JUST A CORRECTION TO THE ABOVE STATEMENT BAN IN FACT THE HIGHER PAYING POOL..... now to explain it lol take that eligius number that is a PPS pool like BAN but the difference is BAN is paying a bonus 10 percent on top of the normal 100 percent paying PPS now factor that in to the eligius numbers 10 percent of a not 100 percent paying PPS pool (due to the share shelving that eligus does) is 15.8041 x 0.1 = 1.58041 So when you add that 10 percent extra in BAN has paid out 17.38451 so cough cough you want to correct your statement re p2 and ban.... AS it in fact it the other way around... AS BAN ALSO DOES NOT SHELF SHARES AS eligus does so that gap even higher when you factor in the shelf shares that eligus does SOME simple math of the eligius PPS numbers show quite clear what the BAN payout would of been for the same time frame Smiley PS they also merge mine now so that gap is further when the merge mining factored in again a PPS payout Smiley Also something else that caught my eye is this part of the pool test results here So, none of his tested pools have met expectations. However, p2Pool still wins here at 93.83% of expectations. You can add another 6 percent to the number above of 17.38451 as BAN is paying out at 100 percent of a expected rigs earn day in and out before the 10 percent bonus is factored in a simple 24 hour test would show this clear as days that the BAN PPS is basically right on the money with a rig expected earn via the stats on the homepage and what any bitcoin calculator splits out as the expected earn -/+ 1-2 percent to allow for a avg hash ... <<<< this comes back to the Eligius mod PPS system not paying a true 100 percent PPS due to the share shelving on their PPS so you would have to also look at the percent difference there as well of what the expected earn would of been on the rigs in question and also add that difference in to make up for the difference in the 2 different pps payouts .... so that 6 percent could well be 10-15 percent have not sit there and done the numbers to find how much more BAN is paying vs eligius on the PPS front with out factoring in the bonus NOW to the second lot of fud here Smiley Miners and dates, with hash rate and expected earnings 7/20 - 7/30, 2xS1 @ 400GH/s. Expected: 0.1121BTC 7/20 - 11/26 1xS3 @ 440GH/s. Expected: 1.0367BTC 7/20 - 11/26 1xS3 @ 420GH/s. Expected: 0.9896BTC 7/20 - 8/1 1xSP10 @ 1.35TH/s. Expected: 0.4509BTC 8/1 - 11/26 3xS3 @ 1.32TH/s. Expected: 2.6692BTC 8/9 - 11/26 3xS3 @ 1.32TH/s. Expected: 2.3875BTC Expected total earnings from mining: 7.646BTC Actual mined BTC: 8.61186032BTC Difference: 0.96586032BTC P2Pool has beaten expectations for the time period that BAN has been in existence by 12.6%. In other words, p2pool has paid 112.63% of expected earnings. YOU MAY WANT TO SIT THERE AND ALSO FACTOR IN THE 10 percent bonus on the expected total earnings from mining: 7.646BTC THAT BAN PAYS which brings BAN UP TO 8.4106 btc and then factor in the NMC blocks they have hit in this time Smiley YOU will more than likely find ban even out does P2 pool in this set of numbers as well Smiley or comes very close... it NOT 12.6 percent as claimed above as the poster forgot to factor in the bonus payments on top of the PPS and the nmc blocks.... It more likely they are on par or BAN has it nose in front just earning wise on this second set of data.... |
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As some of you know, I have been a staunch supporter of p2pool and have posted quite a few times regarding its advantages. There used to be a great thread comparing p2pool to Eligius and BTCGuild. Unfortunately, that thread has not been updated since August. Recently, however, BAN has claimed they are the best paying pool, bar none. Well, here's the proof that they are not. Just for fun, I checked everything from the time BAN opened its doors (I used the announcement on BAN's website of 7/20/2014 as the start date) and compared that to my mining on p2pool for the same timeframe: 7/20/2014 until 11/26/2014. I used http://retrocalc.net to figure out the expected earnings during this timeframe for my hash rate. During this time, I have had S1s, SP10 and S3s mining. I sold the S1s and the SP10 and the dates and data reflect them hashing until I unplugged them and shipped them out. Here are the results: Miners and dates, with hash rate and expected earnings7/20 - 7/30, 2xS1 @ 400GH/s. Expected: 0.1121 BTC7/20 - 11/26 1xS3 @ 440GH/s. Expected: 1.0367 BTC7/20 - 11/26 1xS3 @ 420GH/s. Expected: 0.9896 BTC7/20 - 8/1 1xSP10 @ 1.35TH/s. Expected: 0.4509 BTC8/1 - 11/26 3xS3 @ 1.32TH/s. Expected: 2.6692 BTC8/9 - 11/26 3xS3 @ 1.32TH/s. Expected: 2.3875 BTCExpected total earnings from mining: 7.646 BTCActual mined BTC: 8.61186032 BTCDifference: 0.96586032 BTCP2Pool has beaten expectations for the time period that BAN has been in existence by 12.6%. In other words, p2pool has paid 112.63% of expected earnings.Feel free to check the data. Here are the addresses to which I've mined: 1DeVLDoGvkbbB5n3dPvbpDbwiKGjYckCy9 1H2uK38p6XEpiqPkECVNpC3CSTWxVwPGBS 1FEztNFHXvx7pCDSVy4xJ9JGxFGFSDKNXg 1BST6cuZ2ZhpsFaq3eY1xwFKzEDLfAWgqF 1DLcDRVncY7Zasd91oBw12XrQfLPohtNZP 1FWTtUBVk9XdkrfWkvS3uBN6CRkGgaMrQv You can validate this against the blockchain, as well as see the payouts by going to http://minefast.coincadence.com/miner.php and plugging each of those addresses. Therefore, in the BAN thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=854368.0, the rankings should put p2pool as the number 1 paying pool. By the way, I checked out the test as linked in that thread. Nowhere does that test give actual proof of wallet addresses that can be verified as I have. If I use the exact dates as that test, here are the numbers: 10/20 - 10/27 8xS3 @ 440GH/s. Expected: 0.3485 BTC. Actual: 0.60947698 BTC. Difference of 0.26097698 BTC. During the tested timeframe, p2pool beat expectations by 74.86%. You're reading that right. During the timeframe from 10/20 - 10/27, p2pool paid 174.86% of expected earnings, which absolutely destroys any other of the tested pools. Once again, please feel free to validate my data. I mined to 1DeVLDoGvkbbB5n3dPvbpDbwiKGjYckCy9, and the payouts can be easily verified. So, in conclusion, p2pool has consistently beaten expectations and has beaten BAN's payouts, not only for the period they tested, but for the entirety of BAN's existence. EDIT: semaster has updated his comparison thread of p2pool vs Eligius vs BTCGuild. The thread is located here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=416933.0. According to his tests, p2pool is in the lead paying: p2pool - BTC16.9718 VS btcguild (PPLNS) - BTC16.0933 VS Eligius BTC15.8041 Using his 6 S1s @ 1080GH/s total, expected earnings for that timeframe (2/1 - 10/30) are: 18.0886 BTC. So, none of his tested pools have met expectations. However, p2Pool still wins here at 93.83% of expectations. JUST A CORRECTION TO THE ABOVE STATEMENT BAN IN FACT THE HIGHER PAYING POOL..... now to explain it lol take that eligius number that is a PPS pool like BAN but the difference is BAN is paying a bounus 10 percent on top of the normal 100 percent paying PPS now factor that in to the eligius numbers 10 percent of a not 100 percent paying PPS pool (due to the share shelving that eligus does) is 15.8041 x 0.1 = 1.58041 So when you add that 10 percent extra in BAN has paid out 17.38451 so cough cough you want to correct your statement re p2 and ban.... AS it in fact it the other way around... AS BAN ALSO DOES NOT SHELF SHARES AS eligus does so that gap even higher when you factor in the shelf shares that eligus does SOME simple math of the eligius PPS numbers show quite clear what the BAN payout would of been for the same time frame PS they also merge mine now so that gap is further when the merge mining factored in again a PPS payout Also something else that caught my eye is this part of the pool test results here So, none of his tested pools have met expectations. However, p2Pool still wins here at 93.83% of expectations. You can add another 6 percent to the number above of 17.38451 as BAN is paying out at 100 percent of a expected rigs earn day in and out before the 10 perecnt bonus is factored in a simple 24 hour test would show this clear as days that the BAN PPS is basically right on the money with a rig expected earn via the stats on the homepage and what any bitcoin calculator splits out as the expected earn -/+ 1-2 percent to allow for a avg hash ... <<<< this comes back to the Eligius mod PPS system not paying a true 100 percent PPS due to the share shelving on their PPS so you would have to also look at the percent difference there as well of what the expected earn would of been on the rigs in question and also add that difference in to make up for the difference in the 2 different pps payouts .... so that 6 percent could well be 10-15 percent have not sit there and done the numbers to find how much more BAN is paying vs eligius on the PPS front with out factoring in the bounus NOW to the second lot of fud here Miners and dates, with hash rate and expected earnings 7/20 - 7/30, 2xS1 @ 400GH/s. Expected: 0.1121BTC 7/20 - 11/26 1xS3 @ 440GH/s. Expected: 1.0367BTC 7/20 - 11/26 1xS3 @ 420GH/s. Expected: 0.9896BTC 7/20 - 8/1 1xSP10 @ 1.35TH/s. Expected: 0.4509BTC 8/1 - 11/26 3xS3 @ 1.32TH/s. Expected: 2.6692BTC 8/9 - 11/26 3xS3 @ 1.32TH/s. Expected: 2.3875BTC Expected total earnings from mining: 7.646BTC Actual mined BTC: 8.61186032BTC Difference: 0.96586032BTC P2Pool has beaten expectations for the time period that BAN has been in existence by 12.6%. In other words, p2pool has paid 112.63% of expected earnings. YOU MAY WANT TO SIT THERE AND ALSO FACTOR IN THE 10 percent bonus on the expected total earnings from mining: 7.646BTC THAT BAN PAYS which brings BAN UP TO 8.4106 btc and then factor in the NMC blocks they have hit in this time YOU will more than likely find ban even out does P2 pool in this set of numbers as well or comes very close... it NOT 12.6 percent as claimed above as the poster forgot to factor in the bonus payments on top of the PPS and the nmc blocks.... It more likely they are on par or BAN has it nose in front just earning wise on this second set of data.... |
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Since it wasn't mentioned in the original post, I'd like to post the numbers for p2pool, and to quite effectively put fire000's ravings out to pasture - especially his claims that p2pool's payment system is flawed/broken/whatever. Months ago he brought those same claims to the p2pool thread. I'd like to post actual numbers here. From 8/9 until today I have had 8 Antminer S3s mining on p2pool. I mine on my own node. I've actually been mining on p2pool since April; however, during that time I have had multiple different hash rates from numerous different miners (S1s, S2, SP10, S3s) and have tried out numerous different pools like Eligius, BTCGuild, GHash.io, etc. The only reason I chose to start this report on 8/9 was because from that day until today I've had only the 8 S3s running, and they have only been mining on p2pool. I used http://www.retrocalc.net to calculate what the expected earnings of 3.52TH/s are from 8/9 until 11/24. The expected mined amount during that timeframe is 6.2788 BTC for that hashing rate. From p2pool, I have mined 7.26466827 BTC. P2Pool has paid me 0.98586827BTC above expectations, in other words, 115.70% of expected payout.Is there anyone that has been mining on BAN with this same hash rate for this timeframe who can post their numbers? I'd like to see an actual, fair and honest comparison. There used to be a great thread comparing Eligius, BTCGuild and p2pool here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=416933.0. Unfortunately, that thread hasn't been updated in quite some time. Thanks. PS - I also merge mine NMC, DVC, IXC, I0C and FSC on my node. All proceeds from those coins I have earned have been donated back to the p2pool community by me, and are not included in my earnings above. The above numbers are strictly mined BTC on p2pool. LMAO numbers where posted to back up the above claim even the BTC aaddress and the nodes etc that were used for the test... If you care to trace back the data it shows clear as days the P2pool paying at less than 50 percent of the rigs expected earn for the test period So try again PS I do not see any data to back this claim of yours so once again " I am yet to see ANY ONE in this whole thread shot down sorbs and ban claim in the heading or the opening post[/b] I have dropped a traceable data source eg in the early posts in this thread to back the above statement re it paying at less the 50 percent SO taps and waits to see some real data not numbers pulled out of my ass as you have done above dropping numbers but no data that can be followed back to blocks etc... I also notice the p2 trolls have gone very quite since the traceable data was dropped that alone says enough in it self |
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Soooo, yet another BAN thread for the same old sock puppets to excrete their usual nonsensical rubbish on. Same old trolls/shills, same old BS, same old lies - but with a few more added into the mix for good measure.....what a joke s0br & his little army of Oompa Loompas are......   (s0br's the one in the hat  ) The only real question here is: Who's going to lock this thread first - sobr (again) or the MODS? lmao at the mods locking it as the ban members are dropping cold hard facts which can be backed up via research unlike the p2 trolls like your self What the p2 pool paying again less than 50 percent of a expected rigs earn As the nice test showed quite clear on the above btc address earlier in this thread NICED how the p2 trolls are not addressing the issue of the P2 payouts in here AS it pretty hard to shoot down COLD HARD FACTS I also notice they are not really adding anything of value in this thread besides to name call and attack sorb and the ban members... Again with baseless FUD... So keep going at least a few other eg like kano have came in with very interesting points and had open and frank discussion unlike yourself and the P2 trolls most can pick the p2 trolls Have to say it funny how the tone has changed in the last few days from a couple of the p2 trolls..... PS I am yet to see ANY ONE in this whole thread shot down sorbs and ban claim in the heading or the opening post Just a lot of baseless BS and name calling by a select few It pretty hard to shoot a pool down that paying at your expected rigs earn plus some with zero fees and you clowns have been trying for months yet the pool still around and still going strong and paying it members day in and out VS a pool that paying at less than 50 percent of a rigs expected earn |
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just an update on this P2 test vs ban I have reached day 20 on the test and well has pulled the rig off the p2 set up today as the payouts are shocking to say the least.... And there something majorly wrong in the set up in this pool for a rig to be only pulling less than 50 percent of it expected earn for it 20 day avg......... The P2 pool for the 20 day test paid the rigs at less than 50 percent of their expect earn all the data and the pay outs etc can be found in the early post in this topic.... I would avoid the p2 system with the plague as a miner until they fix their payout system on the p2 pool or sit there mining at less than a 50 percent expected payout rate over time as the test above has highlighted well. In closing I have to say this is the worst paying pool I have came across in these tests to date most others are in and around the expected earn for a rig.... They even outdo every POOL these clowns sit there and slam as ripping users off it.... weather it ghash discus fish ban etc... <<< at least these pools pay their miners either their expected rigs earns or very close to it unlike the P2 pool as the test result show quite clear |
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LOL I think data and numbers speak for themsleves here on the p2pool Lets see up to day 18 now and it NOW RUNNING AT LESS THAN 50 percent the rigs EXPECTED EARN I would call that a scam wouldn't you that a pool is paying out 50 percent under a rigs expected earn OR a majorally flawed payout system which is the case in the P2 set up .... And each passing day the numbers are getting worst and the numbers and data just keeps getting longer and longer on the above BTC address and node etc.... BUT then again you would not KNOW what facts and data are given your track record of baseless FUD |
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LULZ @ the BAN shill fire000....... They must be getting desperate to resurrect that account:  Just an update on this thread the matter is in the hands of lawyers.....
damn, just read the thread, thats some fuked up giveaway.
It is isn't it? Here's someone else who thought it was too:  This was left on one of the BAN shills profiles due to his constant postings here. Notice the "a pretty obvious scam" bit........but I'm sure ThePhaker & his aliases will pretend they didn't see it & carry on posting pretty schoolgirl ponies thinking their 10 year old humor will magically change something........ It's sad & embarrassing. okay gmaxwell have the papers been severed on ya yet Ps people watch how quick a few shut up in the next few days What a joke you are.
Words can't describe how stupid this man is.
'nuff said
LULZ @ fire000.....far too many mind altering drugs for you So, did your Lawyers serve those papers? How's it working out for you? Nut job. Oh I see one of the p2 trolls popped in the payouts are pretty damning when EVERY OTHER BTC POOL IS MURDERING the payouts from the P2 pool... Ps up to day 17 and well the rigs are down to 50 percent of their expected earn will leave them there for another 13 days to pull a full month of data BUT can not see it doing A MAJOR BACKFLIP IN them 13 days to get the rigs in and around their expected earn for the 30 days.... ATM I am guess it will be down at lower then 50 percent of their earn..... GREAT LOOK for these p2 trolls going around slamming other pools and and plugging the p2 pool to people when it paying at less than 50 percent of a rigs expected earn.... Been saying for months the P2 pool system is stuffed in it set up and the data is quite clearly show this... And the way it scamming it users as the payout numbers and data show quite clear.... It there in black and white and the data trail getting longer with each day |
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11 days is an incredibly short test.
It gets worst the numbers if I had looked at the whole 16 days the rig been parked there (close to 3 weeks) as the test rig hit the p2pool from the 30th of oct on the above btc address ... it would be about 45 percent down at a guess with out adding the numbers up <<<< I was kind to them and allow the 1 st 5 days as days to build up the PPLNS side No, you actually didn't compare them correctly. You have to take into consideration way more than just how much BTC you made. Again, if it was compared to my pool over the last 10 days, no other pool could beat it. Does that mean anything? Yes, it means the luck on a non PPS pool has to be taken into account correctly - completely ignoring it is ignorance of what you are doing and means your results are meaningless. The results are effectively a lie because they imply something that is false. They imply that someone should expect a result that doesn't match the true expected result. It's actually a complete failure of understanding the statistics that determine the true expected payout that you expect to average. Did you also take into consideration that the payout received on a PPLNS pool may continue after you stop mining? On PPS it stops. On PPLNS it depends on the N and the luck. On DGM it also continues after you stop mining. Yes I have factored all the above in there NO WAY if I stop now on P2 it would NOT recover the 45-50 percent the rig down after mining on there for 16 days ..... ON a pplns plan that is over a DAY as the payouts would continue for only 1 day or till their 4000 odd shares are hit There is no way that would recover the 40-45 percent the rig down maybe 5- 10 yes but NOT 40-45 percent Also how long does a test need to be as MOST other pools are in and around that 100 percent mark (expected rigs earn) within a week (+/- 10 percent for block luck).... NOT 40-45 percent down after nearly 3 weeks of testing .... You can park on any pool with around 2ph plus hash rate and NOT have the results that have shown here in this p2 pool test which is sitting on 4 ph ... weather it ghash slush yours btc guild bitminer etc AS ABOVE this result even surprised me here with this p2 test |
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11 days is an incredibly short test.
It gets worst the numbers if I had looked at the whole 16 days the rig been parked there (close to 3 weeks) as the test rig hit the p2pool from the 30th of oct on the above btc address ... it would be about 45 percent down at a guess with out adding the numbers up <<<< I was kind to them and allow the 1 st 5 days as days to build up the PPLNS side... I have to say the test results even shocked me as I was NOT expecting the payouts to be that low 5-10 percent yes and you could put that down to luck etc but been 45-50 percent down there something majorly flawed in the P2 system and it payouts and share system to be seeing results where a rig is earning about 50-55 percent of it expected earn |
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If I was scam enough to use the same deception as you are using to promote BAN, to promote my pool, I would be able to say that people will get WAY more mining at my pool than any other pool in existence so far.
Since the pool started, anyone who has mined non-stop has received >200% of PPS.
Anyone who started just after we got the one slow (222%) block since the pool started, will have received almost 300% PPS.
However, I will not use those facts to deceive people about the pool, like you are doing.
What is the difficulty % of all the blocks BAN has found?
At my pool it is currently only 47.43% (i.e. greater than 200% PPS payout) ... due to luck ... ridiculously high luck, but luck none-the-less.
I'd suggest s0br tell you to shut the hell up and stop posting this crap in the BAN pool threads ... unless he thinks that's OK to do that?
Edit: ... though there's another fact I could point out that exactly uses your logic ... the pool made 37.5BTC that it didn't payout to it's miners ...
Please sir tell me what did I use to deceive anyone about the pool. Those numbers were pulled directly from Visible stats displayed and updated on the site. (stats your pool seems to be missing) ANYONE even you can go there and do the math, just because you do not like the result of the research and calculations and they do not fall in line with your bashing and FUD of this pool does not make them any less factual does it? You have a LOT of nerve for a person who owns a pool with nothing of value available to see NO visible user stats, Incorrect, they are visible to anyone who has an account - there is however, still no history of them yet. No visible pool stats,
Incorrect, they are visible to anyone who has an account - there is however, still no history of them yet. No ratings,
No rankings.
So? (though the pool stats does show all user's current rankings) You have nothing actually where newcomers can see what your pool is doing or what it is paying out on the blocks you have mined, You keep flaping your lips about this 200% payout to your loyal miners yet show no proof of it. You complain that it is not possible for a pool to pay 10% over what it mines yet you say you are able to pay 200% over what you mine to your loyal miners that confused me a bit.
Incorrect. I have already pointed out to miners how to get that information. It is beyond reproach ... it is in the blockchain, for each block, clearly visible. So although a web site can lie about the payouts, in my pool's case, the blockchain shows each block's payout. It will be available on the web site at a later date. Please stop contradicting yourself sir.
Where? Why are you mad at me. ANYONE can easily go on the BaN website and pull the transparently visible facts and see for themselves where the payouts are coming from, what the payouts are, they can even estimate what their own earnings would be, and they can see how that bonus can be paid and still allow for a small profit overall.
Of course the numbers shown on BAN MAY be facts. Interpreting them by falsehood, oddly enough, is not fact. Like a flaming candle I can see your temper rising with every post you make, its not nice when YOU are backed in a corner of your own deciept and bullshit is it? HAHAHAHA
Oh, I feel so unhappy, I don't know how I'm going to deal with it, damn I guess I'll just have to keep paying out 99.1% of the pools earnings to the miners and see if that makes me feel better. Yes it does I wonder how BAN feels keeping 37.5% of the pools earnings and not paying it out to the miners? I guess that makes BAN happy Not to start a fight here but "I wonder how BAN feels keeping 37.5% of the pools earnings and not paying it out to the miners? I guess that makes BAN happy " that gets thrown back at longer rounds in a PPS and in theory over time it balances out around the 100 percent mark luck wise.... where some rounds are short and others longer but it should balance out.... where one should be earning around their expected rigs earn or close to it over a week... If there a huge difference then there something major wrong with the payout system eg the P2 pool system where you have close to 3 weeks data and it running at a payout of 60 percent of a expect rigs earn warning alarms should be sounding in these cases NOT on a pool that paying out people expected earn and has for months now and as an added bounus the pool op been kind to us miners by wearing a bounus out of his pocket to look after his miners that have helped him get the pool up and test it and help deal with bugs to get it where it is today It also a good sign that a PPS pool has a 37.5 percent buffer there to play with for these longer rounds as it reserve funds |
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"The biggest issue with BAN is that they are hiding where the extra 10% is coming from.
Why do people hide things unless they don't want people to know it."
Disclaimer: (I really have no knowledge if the pool is profitable or not).
Yes you do, because they "claim" to pay you 10% extra - that means they are making a loss on every block they payout on..... Think about it. Just something for the p2 pool trolls to think about loves to know why the p2 pool payouts are over 40 percent down on a rigs expected earn Just something interesting for the p2 trolls that float by has done a 11 day test here BAN vs P2 pool And well the results speak for themselves..... Mining on 820 gh on both pools The p2 pool paid out a grand total of 0.06576185 for 11 days so the div by 11 = 0.00597835 btc a day on avg The mining was done on the following BTC address 14hK4PKZyisS5HECapW9jmmUfuMRt4D9o3 and all payouts from the 5th to the 16th can be traced back through the block chain to P2 blocks etc. The mining rig was parked on the following node and still is atm http://203.219.14.204:9332 But after this little test it will NOT be on the P2 network for much longer as the earnings were down by over 40 percent on the rigs expected earn Smiley With this I can go back even further with the data to the 30 oct when I 1st hit the p2 pool and it even worst the payout numbers as the rig got through it 1st couple days to charge up the PPLNS.. (so 16 days worth of data) BAN paid 0.125996332 for the 11 days an avg of 0.011454212 a day the expected earn for 820 g is 0.01041292 btc a day I think results speak for themselves and the P2 users may want to look very close at their payouts and compare them to other pools before shooting off in other pools threads in future and make sure their own pool backyard is paying users out correct to their expected rigs earnings before shooting off and NOT 40 percent DOWN on it Smiley As this was a very surprising result to see how far off the actual payout VS the expected was OUT Just for people that do not know P2 uses a PPLNS payout plan for payments Have fun trolls explaining how the p2 pool payouts balance out over time as this was no means a short test... Smiley and here are these clowns trying to label BAN a scam lol... I would say a pool that paying 40 percent lower than a rigs expected earn is a scam Smiley As and be highlighted by some research on the above btc address and node and the P2 pool block hits Smiley |
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Just something interesting for the p2 trolls that float by has done a 11 day test here BAN vs P2 pool And well the results speak for themselves..... Mining on 820 gh on both pools The p2 pool paid out a grand total of 0.06576185 for 11 days so the div by 11 = 0.00597835 btc a day on avg The mining was done on the following BTC address 14hK4PKZyisS5HECapW9jmmUfuMRt4D9o3 and all payouts from the 5th to the 16th can be traced back through the block chain to P2 blocks etc. The mining rig was parked on the following node and still is atm http://203.219.14.204:9332 But after this little test it will NOT be on the P2 network for much longer as the earnings were down by over 40 percent on the rigs expected earn With this I can go back even further with the data to the 30 oct when I 1st hit the p2 pool and it even worst the payout numbers.. (so 16 days worth of data) BAN paid 0.125996332 for the 11 days an avg of 0.011454212 a day the expected earn for 820 g is 0.01041292 btc a day I think results speak for themselves and the P2 users may want to look very close at their payouts and compare them to other pools before shooting off in other pools threads in future and make sure their own pool backyard is paying users out correct to their expected rigs earnings before shooting off and NOT 40 percent DOWN on it As this was a very surprising result to see how far off the actual payout VS the expected was OUT Just for people that do not know P2 uses a PPLNS payout plan for payments Have fun trolls explaining how the p2 pool payouts balance out over time as this was no means a short test... and here are these clowns trying to label BAN a scam lol... I would say a pool that paying 40 percent lower than a rigs expected earn is a scam As and be highlighted by some research on the above btc address and node and the P2 pool block hits PS this is NOT AIMED AT KANO POOL IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM BUT THE P2 POOL |
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damn, just read the thread, thats some fuked up giveaway.
It is isn't it? Here's someone else who thought it was too: This was left on one of the BAN shills profiles due to his constant postings here. Notice the "a pretty obvious scam" bit........but I'm sure ThePhaker & his aliases will pretend they didn't see it & carry on posting pretty schoolgirl ponies thinking their 10 year old humor will magically change something........ It's sad & embarrassing. okay gmaxwell have the papers been severed on ya yet Ps people watch how quick a few shut up in the next few days |
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Just an update on this thread the matter is in the hands of lawyers as Gmaxwell has chosen to not try to resolve the matter and also explain to us all why he been abusing other members on this forum with countless FAKE IDS etc.... The lawyer that has looked close at the matter and all the posts etc and the many fine examples of this MOD actions on this forum in these FAKE IDS that can be linked together quite clearly is looking froward to going this MOD and this forum... Have a nice day this is the last time I will be making a comment re this matter as it NOW in the hands of lawyers and legal action is under way Against the MOD in question as well as a number of P2 users. Also a tip to the others in this thread trying to justify the actions of the MOD in question YOU MAY WANT to do some research before posting any further on the matter as a friendly tip.... As it been all one way traffic from the MOD and the P2 users and has been for months on countless posts and the abuse threats of violence etc they have been throwing around at other members of this forum not only related to myself or the BAN pool. But also other pools and users and business etc.... Well at least you still have your dignity (sarcasm). This statement takes away any credibility to your claim. I have quoted the negative trust that he gave you below (I added the bold): This user has been attacking people for posting honest concerns about what appears to be a pretty obvious scam; as well as disrupting conversations with offtopic ranting. He seems to be very unreliable. I'm not sure if it's confusion, trolling, or what. But I consider them untrustworthy. Your most likely claim would be that he is slandering you by leaving this negative trust. In order to prove a slander case you would need to prove that what he said did damage to your reputation, caused you financial harm and is untrue. I think it is undisputed that the negative trust does damage to your reputation. He would also not dispute that it has done you financial harm as you have lost your ability to scam (for the most part). The remaining question is to determine if his statement is untrue. This leaves only one part for you to prove, the question of is his statement true. I bolded the fact that he says that he does not trust you. So in order for you to have a valid slander case against him you would need to prove that he does in fact trust you. Are you able to prove this? Take NOTE of the BOLD section the launch of legal action is re abuse threats of violence etc they have been throwing around at other members of this forum not only related to myself or the BAN pool also to do with the parts highlighted IN the comment left be MAXWELL which are bot baseless and false . But also other pools and users and business etc.... BY the mod in question under fake ids and also the actions of a few P2 users I can not comment much more on this at the moment Also it would be on him to prove "I think it is undisputed that the negative trust does damage to your reputation. He would also not dispute that it has done you financial harm as you have lost your ability to scam (for the most part). The remaining question is to determine if his statement is untrue. " Again take note of the BOLD section there is no way for him to prove this as I have never scammed ANYONE or even done a trade here on this forum etc of this is down outright slender which can be prove quite easy from my side BUT he would NOT be able to disprove AS put earlier in this thread GMAXWELL IS ALSO USING FAKE IDS to attack other pools,users and making downright false claims left right and centre WHICH we can prove there a very strong against this mod and his actions and the day coming where himself and a few of the others that having been carrying out these action are in for a rude wake up call |
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Just an update on this thread the matter is in the hands of lawyers as Gmaxwell has chosen to not try to resolve the matter and also explain to us all why he been abusing other members on this forum with countless FAKE IDS etc.... The lawyer that has looked close at the matter and all the posts etc and the many fine examples of this MOD actions on this forum in these FAKE IDS that can be linked together quite clearly is looking froward to going this MOD and this forum... Have a nice day this is the last time I will be making a comment re this matter as it NOW in the hands of lawyers and legal action is under way Against the MOD in question as well as a number of P2 users. Also a tip to the others in this thread trying to justify the actions of the MOD in question YOU MAY WANT to do some research before posting any further on the matter as a friendly tip.... As it been all one way traffic from the MOD and the P2 users and has been for months on countless posts and the abuse threats of violence etc they have been throwing around at other members of this forum not only related to myself or the BAN pool. But also other pools and users and business etc.... |
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