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1  Economy / Speculation / This Bitcoin Stat Surprised Me - Bitcoin Down Almost 50% of the Time on: October 30, 2024, 05:02:27 PM
I added some new stats to Statility today and this stat surprised me. Did you know that while Bitcoin is up 53,692% or 538X since the start of May of 2013 until today, it has actually went down 64 months (46.04%) during that same period.  Huh

Such an amazing return but it actually went down almost as many months as it went up. Not surprising many investors are scared out of their socks and sold in this period.

Average / median up month 27.62% / 17.72%
Average / median down month -12.93% / -10.13%
We have data for 139 months (11.58 years)
2  Economy / Speculation / Re: Feedback on these Bitcoin price predictions? 2025 - 2030 on: October 20, 2024, 07:07:18 AM
So I use four different methods to project the price forward a set variable number of years. It uses compound annual growth rate, exponential regression (with an adjustable value for weighing recent data more heavily), something I call a temperature chart (which is a log trend chart with 7 different levels going from Glacial to Cooking), and lastly a Monte Carlo simulator with some options. So here are the results when averaging the methods mid-year 2025 - 2030.

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Feedback on the methods used and the results it has produced is appreciated. I am still looking to improve upon this.
You can try it here.
The predictions seem to be too favorable if you ask me, now as a bitcoin holder I would love for those predictions to be true, but we must remember that as bitcoin gets more expensive the more difficult it is for its price to go up, since unless there is a massive crisis on confidence about the fiat system currently in place, there is almost no way that bitcoin is going to reach the highest prediction on your model which is of 15.5 million dollars.

Thanks for the feedback. Well, I wouldn't be surprised if Bitcoin some day took the place of the USD and became the world reserve currency. At that point though, the model would probably still predict the prices to rise at the same speed - which I don't think would be very likely. But then, if the price slacks off for a year or two, the model should take the new growth trend into consideration. The less data the model has and the further out the prices are projected - the less accurate they are.

And by the way, the Great, OK, and Awful are different calculated potential outcomes, it doesn't mean that all 3 are likely to happen the same year. Just to clarify that as I didn't earlier. And the OK projection is more likely than than the other two.

Uhm, isn'tt he great levels a bit too optimistic? Not to mention that it ignores the fact that Bitcoin growth for every year drastically decreases in terms of percentage. E.g, a 1000%+ increase would've been viable back in the past, but now? You'd be lucky to see 100%. And I reckon it's only going to continuously decrease for the later years. I honestly don't think we'd be going above 150k-200k even by the end of 2030. Wouldn't be surprised if we're actually going through the same cycle (20k - 70k) for 2027-2028 time.

Yeah, they might be too optimistic, I will do some thinking. In 2027, 2028 these charts show it's very unlikely we're not at at least somewhere around $200k - $300k. I don't see Bitcoin breaking the trend that hard and stay stale for so long. If we do see 20k or even 70k in 27 or 28 I think that would be a massive opportunity.

I am not sure if I should introduce the volatility falling off over time. Mainly because this projection model is not only for Bitcoin, but something that can be used on all assets. Assets with more historical data like, for instance, Gold and Nasdaq100, don't show volatility falling off over time when going back about 30 years even. Bitcoin is in a special position though as it was just invented a short while ago.
3  Economy / Speculation / Feedback on these Bitcoin price predictions? 2025 - 2030 on: October 19, 2024, 07:19:58 PM
So I use four different methods to project the price forward a set variable number of years. It uses compound annual growth rate, exponential regression (with an adjustable value for weighing recent data more heavily), something I call a temperature chart (which is a log trend chart with 7 different levels going from Glacial to Cooking), and lastly a Monte Carlo simulator with some options. So here are the results when averaging the methods mid-year 2025 - 2030.

2025Great524.9K
2025OK125.9K
2025Awful62.6K
2026Great976.3K
2026OK209.4K
2026Awful98.2K
2027Great2.0M
2027OK354.1K
2027Awful154.4K
2028Great3.6M
2028OK626.4K
2028Awful246.2K
2029Great6.3M
2029OK1.0M
2029Awful404.4K
2030Great15.5M
2030OK1.7M
2030Awful662.1K

An here are the three accompanying charts:




Feedback on the methods used and the results it has produced is appreciated. I am still looking to improve upon this.
You can try it here.
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / If Dogecoin DOGE gets another pump it can 36X and hit $5 on: October 19, 2024, 06:14:51 PM
Check out this historical log chart for the Dogecoin DOGE price. It has gotten steep pumps on several occasions. In 2021, it 123Xed in 5 months.

Then again, the stock market looks like we're might heading for a recession, putting this trade on pause for a while everyone dumps anything of value.
5  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Recession in the US in 2024/2025 - What will Bitcoin price do? on: October 19, 2024, 09:48:45 AM
Here are two charts showing the dilemma. While BTC looks cheap. The S&P looks expensive. If the S&P plummets, there might be better prices coming for BTC. For the medium to long term I think long BTC is excellent. I am more thinking aobut the ~6 month short term.


6  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Recession in the US in 2024/2025 - What will Bitcoin price do? on: October 15, 2024, 08:20:03 AM
I never heard of Jeffrey Gundlach before but now as I searched him I did not found him to be highly optimistic about crypto and I think that's a good thing because without proving logic behind the predictions and statements, they are useless so you said you follow whim and he suggests we are already in a recession, so if you don't mind, can you point me towards source where he said that just to listen all of his words.

Sure, I would suggest following him. Here's one of his latest interviews where he talks about the recession indicators blinking red. If you listen to 1min from the where this youtube video starts at 1:48 you'll hear it: https://youtu.be/SyM5rNxIeXs?t=108
7  Economy / Trading Discussion / Recession in the US in 2024/2025 - What will Bitcoin price do? on: October 14, 2024, 10:52:34 AM
I’m on the fence about investing in Bitcoin right now because many macroeconomic experts I follow, like Jeffrey Gundlach, suggest we might already be in a recession. In recessions, stock markets typically plummet. Since Bitcoin didn’t exist before the 2008 recession, we don’t really know how it will perform during one, especially in terms of price. Is anyone else on the fence or shorting Bitcoin at the moment?
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