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October 19, 2024, 07:19:58 PM
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So I use four different methods to project the price forward a set variable number of years. It uses compound annual growth rate, exponential regression (with an adjustable value for weighing recent data more heavily), something I call a temperature chart (which is a log trend chart with 7 different levels going from Glacial to Cooking), and lastly a Monte Carlo simulator with some options. So here are the results when averaging the methods mid-year 2025 - 2030.

2025Great524.9K
2025OK125.9K
2025Awful62.6K
2026Great976.3K
2026OK209.4K
2026Awful98.2K
2027Great2.0M
2027OK354.1K
2027Awful154.4K
2028Great3.6M
2028OK626.4K
2028Awful246.2K
2029Great6.3M
2029OK1.0M
2029Awful404.4K
2030Great15.5M
2030OK1.7M
2030Awful662.1K

An here are the three accompanying charts:




Feedback on the methods used and the results it has produced is appreciated. I am still looking to improve upon this.
You can try it here.

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October 19, 2024, 08:24:40 PM
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What kind of feedback do you want? Speculation isn't an exact science. It'd be pretty wonderful if human action could be compressed in a bunch of equations and predict the future with total certainty, but unfortunately (or not), this world does not work like this.

Wasn't there a S2F chart which was later on broken?

 
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October 19, 2024, 08:51:43 PM
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So I use four different methods to project the price forward a set variable number of years. It uses compound annual growth rate, exponential regression (with an adjustable value for weighing recent data more heavily), something I call a temperature chart (which is a log trend chart with 7 different levels going from Glacial to Cooking), and lastly a Monte Carlo simulator with some options. So here are the results when averaging the methods mid-year 2025 - 2030.

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Feedback on the methods used and the results it has produced is appreciated. I am still looking to improve upon this.
You can try it here.
The predictions seem to be too favorable if you ask me, now as a bitcoin holder I would love for those predictions to be true, but we must remember that as bitcoin gets more expensive the more difficult it is for its price to go up, since unless there is a massive crisis on confidence about the fiat system currently in place, there is almost no way that bitcoin is going to reach the highest prediction on your model which is of 15.5 million dollars.
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October 19, 2024, 09:24:13 PM
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There is not so much money in the world. I think, about one million dollars (in nowadays purchasing power) per Bitcoin is the maximum price even in 2030 and even in 2130.
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October 19, 2024, 09:30:46 PM
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Although I believe that bitcoin will still always be in good progress but we also cannot assume that this will be a belief that in a certain year bitcoin will reach a certain price.

It is indeed good if we look at predictions because it can make us quite sure that what we are doing in bitcoin is our version of the truth that must be done but in the end we must also realize that in the end this cannot be used as a benchmark because we need to remember that this is speculation which means there are only 2 possibilities between being right or not.

I remember before the same price speculation in every year even in 2022 alone we always speculated that bitcoin will reach $100k in the near future but in the end the situation said a little more different although that doesn't mean I don't believe that $100k because in the end this will definitely happen in the future but what I want to emphasize is that we must have and think about all possibilities because being in bitcoin we are not only talking about the sweet things but the worst possibilities are also definitely there.

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October 19, 2024, 09:41:55 PM
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It looks you're not taking the volatility reduction into account but use a relatively simple exponential model, where Bitcoin grows a fixed percentage per year (at least the line in the log chart looks quite static).

Slightly more realistic models like the "rainbow chart" or @virginorange's model here take into account that Bitcoin bull runs since 2011 have yielded less (percentual) growth each time, which is completely logical because increased liquidity is leading to decreased volatility.

Also the bear markets are becoming less pronounced, much slower, but for the same reasons (liquidity). When looking at your model you still have 85-90+% crashes, but the recent trends hint to at most 80% between a high and the next low (last one was 76%, from 69000 to 15500).

tl;dr: IMO this is both too optimistic (for the peaks) and too pessimistic (for the crashes). Basically it's Bitcoin's price behaving like in 2010-15 projected into the future.

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October 19, 2024, 09:45:51 PM
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I can't really provide much feedback because past price doesn't determine future price. Also, there no thesis or data to back your predictions other other than a semi-empty chart.   Now I even think about it — $15.5M for 1 BTC? As much as I'd really like Bitcoin price to gp up and the value of my bags to go up as well, I do think that if the price goes up too high, there would be very little buyers but a shit ton of short sellers.  But damn, your price predictions are insane.

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October 19, 2024, 11:50:48 PM
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So I use four different methods to project the price forward a set variable number of years. It uses compound annual growth rate, exponential regression (with an adjustable value for weighing recent data more heavily), something I call a temperature chart (which is a log trend chart with 7 different levels going from Glacial to Cooking), and lastly a Monte Carlo simulator with some options. So here are the results when averaging the methods mid-year 2025 - 2030.

2025Great524.9K
2025OK125.9K
2025Awful62.6K
2026Great976.3K
2026OK209.4K
2026Awful98.2K
2027Great2.0M
2027OK354.1K
2027Awful154.4K
2028Great3.6M
2028OK626.4K
2028Awful246.2K
2029Great6.3M
2029OK1.0M
2029Awful404.4K
2030Great15.5M
2030OK1.7M
2030Awful662.1K

An here are the three accompanying charts:




Feedback on the methods used and the results it has produced is appreciated. I am still looking to improve upon this.
You can try it here.

so 2030 is around 5.5 years or so.

the dollar may drop 25% in next 5.5 years so btc is pretty much certain to go up 30% or 91000

So 91000 is pretty good for the bottom not your number at all. toss in the ½ effect and the 91k shifts to 182k

so my lowest is 182k the highest is the real question if we catch gold we go to 650k

so my numbers are 182k to 650k = likely

120k to 2 million less likely.


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October 20, 2024, 02:28:21 AM
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considering the inflation and the fact that bitcoin supply is capped while some bitcoin is also lost as the time goes, I guess it's possible, this dream of BTC reaching million dollar price isn't far fetched but I think there is also a limit, BTC might hit its limit when the market cap is nearing gold, in my opinion, from that time, BTC price will be stable, and probably the bullrun and bearish season will be no more but just overall stable price with a little bit of volatility.

as other have stated, there's only limited money in this world, still can't think about a scenario where people just decide to ditch other investment and move all their investment to BTC, that's highly unlikely. but if it's just the price going up while circulating supply going down it's possible.
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Uhm, isn'tt he great levels a bit too optimistic? Not to mention that it ignores the fact that Bitcoin growth for every year drastically decreases in terms of percentage. E.g, a 1000%+ increase would've been viable back in the past, but now? You'd be lucky to see 100%. And I reckon it's only going to continuously decrease for the later years. I honestly don't think we'd be going above 150k-200k even by the end of 2030. Wouldn't be surprised if we're actually going through the same cycle (20k - 70k) for 2027-2028 time.
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This does not factor in the rapid growth that will be coming into Bitcoin because of the possibilities of Bitcoin Defi that is already warming up the heard. 
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So I use four different methods to project the price forward a set variable number of years. It uses compound annual growth rate, exponential regression (with an adjustable value for weighing recent data more heavily), something I call a temperature chart (which is a log trend chart with 7 different levels going from Glacial to Cooking), and lastly a Monte Carlo simulator with some options. So here are the results when averaging the methods mid-year 2025 - 2030.

snip

Feedback on the methods used and the results it has produced is appreciated. I am still looking to improve upon this.
You can try it here.
The predictions seem to be too favorable if you ask me, now as a bitcoin holder I would love for those predictions to be true, but we must remember that as bitcoin gets more expensive the more difficult it is for its price to go up, since unless there is a massive crisis on confidence about the fiat system currently in place, there is almost no way that bitcoin is going to reach the highest prediction on your model which is of 15.5 million dollars.

Thanks for the feedback. Well, I wouldn't be surprised if Bitcoin some day took the place of the USD and became the world reserve currency. At that point though, the model would probably still predict the prices to rise at the same speed - which I don't think would be very likely. But then, if the price slacks off for a year or two, the model should take the new growth trend into consideration. The less data the model has and the further out the prices are projected - the less accurate they are.

And by the way, the Great, OK, and Awful are different calculated potential outcomes, it doesn't mean that all 3 are likely to happen the same year. Just to clarify that as I didn't earlier. And the OK projection is more likely than than the other two.

Uhm, isn'tt he great levels a bit too optimistic? Not to mention that it ignores the fact that Bitcoin growth for every year drastically decreases in terms of percentage. E.g, a 1000%+ increase would've been viable back in the past, but now? You'd be lucky to see 100%. And I reckon it's only going to continuously decrease for the later years. I honestly don't think we'd be going above 150k-200k even by the end of 2030. Wouldn't be surprised if we're actually going through the same cycle (20k - 70k) for 2027-2028 time.

Yeah, they might be too optimistic, I will do some thinking. In 2027, 2028 these charts show it's very unlikely we're not at at least somewhere around $200k - $300k. I don't see Bitcoin breaking the trend that hard and stay stale for so long. If we do see 20k or even 70k in 27 or 28 I think that would be a massive opportunity.

I am not sure if I should introduce the volatility falling off over time. Mainly because this projection model is not only for Bitcoin, but something that can be used on all assets. Assets with more historical data like, for instance, Gold and Nasdaq100, don't show volatility falling off over time when going back about 30 years even. Bitcoin is in a special position though as it was just invented a short while ago.

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November 17, 2024, 04:05:04 AM
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Looking at the forecasts for 2025, which is the one we have closest, $524.9k wouldn't be bad at all, $125k is more accurate and it's likely to happen faster, personally I think these things could result in a good approach, of course the 4-year cycle is always fulfilled, at least I have seen that behavior in bitcoin, it would be very bad if it were not fulfilled by 2025, it is something that is almost certain to happen, it is something like the stock market where it is fulfilled that every 8-10 years the market gives a good result, generally bullish and that is when the biggest investors like Warren Buffett become millionaires.

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