1) Investments in cryptocurrencies are high risk. Every crypto investor knows this (atleast they should). The risk is offset by a possible high ROI.

2) The IPO was run after the coin had already been worked on for 4 months? You're saying the developers should have been able to see the future, quit their jobs and stop being able to provide for their families for 4 entire months to hope that they get enough from the IPO to cover their asses? You can gamble with money, you can gamble with time, but gambling with your family's livelihood is ridiculous. Sure, if they were single and had the means to survive without pay for 4 months it may be a different story. But who is going to forfeit job security for a gamble on coin development?

I'm with syscoin like the captain of a ship!

Can you please stop, your arguments are insane, and who would take on the burden your suggesting with working full time. Can you just let it rest and move on? I'm not sure you looking for a discussion, I'm thinking more your either A. a very clever troll or B. just trying to stir the pot for your own amusement.

Are you suggesting we should have forgone income entirely, taken out personal loans for 20k each (?!) and then hope that the presale sold out and... if so... because we had quit our jobs which and pay for our lives and families to focus on Syscoin for 4months then we would have not had launch issues and gotten the 1500btc thus making the 20k of personal debt per team member repaid? I hope I'm just misunderstanding something here because that is absurd and frankly completely irresponsible. If you think that is a sound "plan". What if there were still issues come launch? We'd be jobless, heavily in debt, and with families to support.

In either case - I'm sorry but I'm not going to continue this line of hindsight-based "brainstorming" with you. If you have suggestions on how to improve Syscoin beyond the comments you've already made, we welcome them. If you're interested in what interface technology we'll be using for UI dev instead of C++ I already answered that and have no interest in starting some debate about it.

Thanks for your reply. I'm going to focus on a few specific points. You call out we asked for 1500btc- this is inaccurate. We positioned 1500btc worth of inventory for sale, we didn't say without it being sold out, we wouldn't launch or anything of that nature- just the opposite actually; If the coins didn't sell they'd just be added on to the mining schedule. We said we would use the funds to grow the coin, and that is still 100% accurate. Additionally through DYOR you should have seen we have full time jobs, almost the entire team doxx'd themselves. You can find most of us on LinkedIn and we did also disclose this in presale threads (we have jobs).


You quote that you know we don't have the full fund. A few sentences later you say we should be using the full fund to hire fulltime developers. Then you say the fact we don't have the fund is irrelevant, but just a few words before that you said we should use it to hire developers... I'm just pointing out the contradictions (or lack of clarity) in the statements you're making.


You're referring to something I said but representing it inaccurately. I said it would be hard to maintain and enhance. Forking any code (aka: cloning) is dead simple.


We're moving away from a C++ based UI technology for future wallets. And yes I'm sure. Many other wallets are already doing this with good reason. We're looking at both straight Java and pure web-technologies delivered in a packaged experience. Look at coins like NXT and NHZ.

---

As Coderboo mentioned earlier, we are working on sourcing additional coders (and other staff) as needed to expedite development but since you are in the industry yourself you know good coders are hard to find and come at a steep price. Nonetheless as stated in several of my replies on the last pages, we're looking for these people.

@mwheeleruk leaking all the cool stuff we have coming I see! But not ALL of it

I wanted to address this comment quickly:

There are at least 3 developers working on the core C++ code including the UI enhancements since we are still stuck in QT (unfortunately   ). I see this (C++ devs spending time on QT interfaces) as a waste of time and skills as we have a large percentage of the team that could implement these interfaces in a different, arguably "better" technology - thus freeing up the C++ developers to push forward on more new features and services such as Syscoin Assets, Syscoin Multisig Encryption and Syscoin Escrow just to name a few. This can all be done while concurrently delivering a much better user experience in terms of the wallet and the Syscoin services therein.

We're always looking for more talented developers at the C++ level!

I feel that we as a crypto team are extremely communicative too- arguable more than most crypto teams. This coin is a long term, large-scale undertaking and we are up to that challenge. This team has skills and vision. We aren't saying we know everything- we most certainly don't and we're improving and learning everyday- any person who thinks they know everything or has no room for improvement is lying to themselves imho.

Also remember that we're kind of inventing a space here- there aren't other coins (or very very few) with built in marketplaces yet that are truly functional, certificates as a service is also a very unique feature. I know some coins like NMC and NXT already have the concept of aliases and assets (NXT) but Syscoin Assets are modeled to specifically be more flexible than NXT assets.

There is a lot coming. And as Coderboo mentioned, until we get the resources and locate the "right people" to fill certain roles on the team we will all continue to work these two full time jobs to make sure the full potential of Syscoin is realized. I also reiterate his message in that you'll see the commitment to this through our actions and deliverables.

Hi Android,

Thanks for your comment.  I am unsure as to whether you're asserting that the Syscoin codebase is entirely comprised of borrowed code, low quality code, or both... so I'll respond as best as I can: syscoin's codebase consists of the bitcoin core client, with merge-mining and scrypt pulled in from Namecoin and Litecoin, respectively.  The base alias feature itself was based off of design patterns learned from Namecoin.  The rest of the services grew as an extension if our work on Syscoin and include some novel ways of using the blockchain. I spent many months pouring through the relevant codebases and building syscoin, and am proud of the work I've done, but that's my subjective opinion.

Relative to my experience - I have over 20 years of software development experience, including being one of the core designers and programmers of what is now the Oracle Primavera project management suite of products, one of the most well-respected project management products for the tech industry. I also have consulted for many large corporations and enjoy a solid reputation as a software developer - or at leasts my colleagues tell me so. So on a pure technical perspective, I must disagree with your assessment of my ability. But that's entirely my opinion - you're open to yours of course.

What I do agree with is that we need more resources and more outward-faced business developers working on the Syscoin team. I also personally really need another experienced developer working alongside me - the pace of the Syscoin project has now gotten to the point were these resources are required in order for us to maintain a high degree of quality with all the work products we are putting out there.  Unfortunately, we have limited resources to work with (since we haven't yet received a large portion of the funds that were slated for development).  This makes it hard to just go out there and hire the resources we need. Hopefully someone in the community will see the potential of Syscoin and step forward to help. Until that time, I, like Dan, will continue to carry two full-time jobs - our day job, and Syscoin.

My focus over the next few weeks is going to be all about test and documentation quality. We are working on creating a full suite of regression tests for all our services, expanding the white paper, documenting (more) all the core code (including bitcoin's core so that future programmers have an easier time of it), and establishing core processes for functional design docs, bug reporting, code review and community review.  Rest assured that this team's output will soon be known for the high quality of these work products. And certainly, Dan and I are up to this task.

If you have any further specific questions about any of this, please feel free to ask.  I certainly don't expect people to trust or believe anything we say - our actions are what counts. We decided to take the hard road with Syscoin. We could have cloned another codebase and released a product with a minimum of innovation, and a maximum amount of marketing.  This would have undoubtedly made us a lot of money.  But that's not why we do it.  We do it because we believe in the blockchain and we are excited about what could be built. Has this caused some bumps on the road along the way? Yes. Is it hard work? Absolutely. But its one of the most rewarding projects I've ever had the good fortune of participating in, and I and the rest of the Syscoin team will continue to innovate, improve and refine our product, our business, and ourselves for as long as you all give us that chance.

I hope this answers your questions.

Now I would not go that far at all, this coin is not dead, its alive and well. Just some bumps on the road. Your making it seems like this is overwith? That I 100% disagree, this and has always been a long term coin. I think they are more than capable of pulling all this off, all I was saying is someone with manager/business experience might be helpful in promoting and prioritizing projects and speaking with public, not that dano has not been good at all, just that it would free them up full time to work on development and keep everything organized, like a CEO running things.

I'm not on same page with you as this is done and they are making that many mistakes, they are not. Sure it's been rough start but this coin is not that old, far from overwith.

So...  are we supposed to crucify dano for saying crap ONCE while you're sitting here repeating the damn word in every post?  

By the way...  we all know (by now) you're experienced...  you don't have to repeat that crap either!!!  

You might be right, but still these guys have done so much more than most in cryptos. I think probably a professional experienced business leader/manger might be a good addition to the team. Someone paid in not only BTC but in syscoin that has a stake in seeing this grow.

Thus far they have done well overall with questions and aswers, team is knowledgeable, but maybe a someone with not only programming knowledge but business real world experience would be a lovely addition to the team.

Just my two cents.

Any team that attempt this (and their welcome to) would be somewhat reliant on us to keep their fork working since Syscoin is an entirely different animal than any other altcoin. Additionally, we have many new services coming, they'd always be one step behind at the least. We welcome this though, it's what open source and competition is all about. It's just highly unlikely such an effort would succeed.

There are multiple android crypto currency wallets available for open source usage and for code purchase on multiple different marketplaces. I would like to know why you are assuming the code I am speaking about is your code? I did not link to any specific code so please let me know how you are inferring that the code which I'm referring to is yours?

In either case you're right using the term "crap "– was unprofessional what I should've said was we have hired a professional android developer they reviewed one of the most popular android wallets for crypto currency's and determined that it was not worth investing more time into that CodeBase. Given the scope of syscoin, it's features, and the services we want to deliver in the wallet it would be more prudent to start again from scratch.

According with moolah's escrow of syscoin ico they should have delivered a working wallet with 4 promised services but it never happened.They also advertised about a well experienced team but in reality other shitcoins are having good marketing than syscoin .Can you really ever trust someone again after they've cheated on you? The trust is gone and will probably never be regained.

They are good guys, I am sure they didnt want to underestimate anyones work. That was poor choice of words I agree. But they could elaborate existing Android wallets VS their vision of the wallet.
For investors the biggest mistake is to Sell or Buy under the influence of emotions. I think you made mistake by dumping at this moment.

@Dano and the team , you could set a bit faster pace if you can, the developement shouldnt slow down.

The mods must do due diligence before banning a user so we had to go through the motions (aka: asking politely to leave the thread) before the mods can take action even given the overwhelming amount of profanity and garbage @manbot1 has posted here and in other threads.

I'm happy to announce that mod @theymos has now banned him for 7days. Hopefully this will give him time to chill out and he can rejoin us without the immaturity and profanity. If he returns with the same attitude we will ask @theymos for a much longer ban.

We do apologize for those who had to deal with the garbage while we sorted this out with forum moderators. And a big THANK YOU!!! To @theymos for bringing peace to the Syscoin thread  

On another note we're still working hard on:
- 0.1.5 RC3 [top priority]
- Syscoin Blockmarket!
- iOS wallet
- Android wallet

We are not using the crap Android wallet that every other coin clones because- 1) it is not very good from a code-perspective and we prefer clean, maintainable code and 2) we plan to enable all syscoin services on mobile (ios/android)- offers, certs, aliases, data and the other services we have on the roadmap (assets, escrow, multisig encryption and more). To facilitate this we need code that we can build on, scale, and maintain- for this reason nearly all of our "apps" are written from scratch including the mobile wallets. We will have some very cool stuff rolling out this month!