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October 09, 2014, 06:58:52 PM
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I promise this isn't FUD, but is anyone else seeing the super low buy support on Bittrex? What would happen if Syscoin was taken off Bittrex due to low volume?

That would require an average daily volume over a week of 0.10BTC if im led to believe, Syscoin wont reach that - i assure you. Be wary of our Roadmap too, Syscoin will be reaching out to a massive new audience.

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October 09, 2014, 07:40:57 PM
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I've bought that much today on bittrex, I wish the fudders and haters would go away
and quit asking inane....what if this, what if that....questions that distract the devs from their work

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October 09, 2014, 08:21:01 PM
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I've bought that much today on bittrex, I wish the fudders and haters would go away
and quit asking inane....what if this, what if that....questions that distract the devs from their work

I'm entitled to ask realistic question about my investment. You on there other hand should stop posting asinine comments attacking your fellow syscoin supporters.
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October 09, 2014, 08:39:04 PM
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I promise this isn't FUD, but is anyone else seeing the super low buy support on Bittrex? What would happen if Syscoin was taken off Bittrex due to low volume?

That would require an average daily volume over a week of 0.10BTC if im led to believe, Syscoin wont reach that - i assure you. Be wary of our Roadmap too, Syscoin will be reaching out to a massive new audience.

Plus, I wouldn't worry too much about one particular exchange, exchanges come and go as is the nature of this game (at least in the last couple of years), I remember just a few months ago, Cryptsy was the place to be..

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October 09, 2014, 08:49:28 PM
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I promise this isn't FUD, but is anyone else seeing the super low buy support on Bittrex? What would happen if Syscoin was taken off Bittrex due to low volume?

That would require an average daily volume over a week of 0.10BTC if im led to believe, Syscoin wont reach that - i assure you. Be wary of our Roadmap too, Syscoin will be reaching out to a massive new audience.

Plus, I wouldn't worry too much about one particular exchange, exchanges come and go as is the nature of this game (at least in the last couple of years), I remember just a few months ago, Cryptsy was the place to be..

Tru, was just a thought!:) I try not to market watch but always end up checking.
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October 09, 2014, 09:21:37 PM
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October 09, 2014, 09:45:03 PM
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Please, I urge everyone to maintain a level of civility and courtesy in this thread. @Honeycutt is absolutely within his rights to ask questions, and we welcome those here.  

I do see the super low buy support on Bittrex, and I'm going to do something about that as soon as I can (see my first post relative to funds) if nobody else has. I've put my life energy into this project and I will continue to do so as long as I have the means - the btc you entrusted us with - to do so. I believe in SYS because I believe in our team's ability to pull off something really valuable - something worth way more than the 1500 BTC you gave us in terms of return, as well as effect.

Could I be totally off base? Could be. But ask Dan: I told Dan and the guys early this year exactly what the trends would be right around coin launch time and why I made the design choices I did, before the team really got working in force. I was right, on all of them.  

I find it interesting that while many still continue to discount Syscoin, our hashrate today is 375ghs and our difficulty hovers right under 5500 right now. That's by design, and SYS is only what, two months old?

Now SYS is secure from a majority potential attackers, which will, alongside the new assets service, and new content for developers making it easier to build interfaces using assets, certificates, aliases data aliases and offers, make for an attractive platform and investment pretty soon here as all eyes shift to products focused on crypto finance infrastructure.

Good luck getting any SYS then as every single crypto product with the word 'finance' goes flying through the stratosphere. Those that were around during the Internet bubble remember exactly what I'm talking about. Money was being handed our to anyone who asked.  What do you think will happen here as this bubble grows?

I'm not perfect, but I know what I'm doing. So does Dan, so does the entire team. And we're committed, and have the ideas, skills and knowledge to pull this off. That's what we're giving you when you buy SYS.

So thank you, Honeycutt, for bringing this up, and I hope my answer satisfies you.
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October 09, 2014, 10:02:20 PM
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Wow. This prices are insane! Somebody needed money badly... I thought I would never get SYS this cheap again. Its like a gift  Cool

@Nicely said Coderboo , you guys sure arent perfect , but you make a great team and have skills to pull this off , I am sure of that!

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October 09, 2014, 10:14:50 PM
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Anyone received the goodies? Still waiting for my reward...
Not me
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October 09, 2014, 11:07:37 PM
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Please, I urge everyone to maintain a level of civility and courtesy in this thread. @Honeycutt is absolutely within his rights to ask questions, and we welcome those here.  

I do see the super low buy support on Bittrex, and I'm going to do something about that as soon as I can (see my first post relative to funds) if nobody else has. I've put my life energy into this project and I will continue to do so as long as I have the means - the btc you entrusted us with - to do so. I believe in SYS because I believe in our team's ability to pull off something really valuable - something worth way more than the 1500 BTC you gave us in terms of return, as well as effect.

Could I be totally off base? Could be. But ask Dan: I told Dan and the guys early this year exactly what the trends would be right around coin launch time and why I made the design choices I did, before the team really got working in force. I was right, on all of them.  

I find it interesting that while many still continue to discount Syscoin, our hashrate today is 375ghs and our difficulty hovers right under 5500 right now. That's by design, and SYS is only what, two months old?

Now SYS is secure from a majority potential attackers, which will, alongside the new assets service, and new content for developers making it easier to build interfaces using assets, certificates, aliases data aliases and offers, make for an attractive platform and investment pretty soon here as all eyes shift to products focused on crypto finance infrastructure.

Good luck getting any SYS then as every single crypto product with the word 'finance' goes flying through the stratosphere. Those that were around during the Internet bubble remember exactly what I'm talking about. Money was being handed our to anyone who asked.  What do you think will happen here as this bubble grows?

I'm not perfect, but I know what I'm doing. So does Dan, so does the entire team. And we're committed, and have the ideas, skills and knowledge to pull this off. That's what we're giving you when you buy SYS.

So thank you, Honeycutt, for bringing this up, and I hope my answer satisfies you.

This is completely true and believe it or not a lot of the features we are seeing other coins try to implement right now Syscoin already has because there was a lot of foresight in the design- albeit with a poor user experience which we realize is critical and is one of our top priorities.

Our biggest problem was a super-hyped launch that initially had major issues. This negatively impacted market sentiment. When people saw they had to fall back to the console to interact with the services they found that too difficult and thus Syscoin's potential continues to go unrealized. We're committed to addressing all of these issues related to usability and feature visibility as well as adding entirely new features to Syscoin.

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October 09, 2014, 11:33:11 PM
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Anyone received the goodies? Still waiting for my reward...
Not me
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Don't know why they didn't confirm the orders... I don't even know if they shipped in the first place... frustrating...
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October 10, 2014, 12:15:49 AM
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Anyone received the goodies? Still waiting for my reward...
Not me
Anyone?

Don't know why they didn't confirm the orders... I don't even know if they shipped in the first place... frustrating...

I've received mine in the mail last week, west coast Canada. Royal Mail stamped around 4ish weeks previous.
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October 10, 2014, 12:24:00 AM
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Also, to coderboo and the rest of the team:

Coming from a large enterprise myself, you guys are doing everything exactly right. The type of large scale services that will eventually utilize Syscoin and blockchain technology are not the type of customers looking for the "1 week sprint, fastest time to market, iterative fix later after shipping" type of development that the industry seems to expect out of new development teams nowadays.

Continuing along the path you're currently on, building the processes as you have and the professionalism you've shown will put you in the place where I (and others like me) would actually feel comfortable pitching you to our superiors or our peers and contacts in the industry. I have not felt confident saying that about any other coin or service so far.

Keep up the good work.
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October 10, 2014, 01:45:24 AM
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Hi Android,

Thanks for your comment.  I am unsure as to whether you're asserting that the Syscoin codebase is entirely comprised of borrowed code, low quality code, or both... so I'll respond as best as I can: syscoin's codebase consists of the bitcoin core client, with merge-mining and scrypt pulled in from Namecoin and Litecoin, respectively.  The base alias feature itself was based off of design patterns learned from Namecoin.  The rest of the services grew as an extension if our work on Syscoin and include some novel ways of using the blockchain. I spent many months pouring through the relevant codebases and building syscoin, and am proud of the work I've done, but that's my subjective opinion.

Relative to my experience - I have over 20 years of software development experience, including being one of the core designers and programmers of what is now the Oracle Primavera project management suite of products, one of the most well-respected project management products for the tech industry. I also have consulted for many large corporations and enjoy a solid reputation as a software developer - or at leasts my colleagues tell me so. So on a pure technical perspective, I must disagree with your assessment of my ability. But that's entirely my opinion - you're open to yours of course.

What I do agree with is that we need more resources and more outward-faced business developers working on the Syscoin team. I also personally really need another experienced developer working alongside me - the pace of the Syscoin project has now gotten to the point were these resources are required in order for us to maintain a high degree of quality with all the work products we are putting out there.  Unfortunately, we have limited resources to work with (since we haven't yet received a large portion of the funds that were slated for development).  This makes it hard to just go out there and hire the resources we need. Hopefully someone in the community will see the potential of Syscoin and step forward to help. Until that time, I, like Dan, will continue to carry two full-time jobs - our day job, and Syscoin.

My focus over the next few weeks is going to be all about test and documentation quality. We are working on creating a full suite of regression tests for all our services, expanding the white paper, documenting (more) all the core code (including bitcoin's core so that future programmers have an easier time of it), and establishing core processes for functional design docs, bug reporting, code review and community review.  Rest assured that this team's output will soon be known for the high quality of these work products. And certainly, Dan and I are up to this task.

If you have any further specific questions about any of this, please feel free to ask.  I certainly don't expect people to trust or believe anything we say - our actions are what counts. We decided to take the hard road with Syscoin. We could have cloned another codebase and released a product with a minimum of innovation, and a maximum amount of marketing.  This would have undoubtedly made us a lot of money.  But that's not why we do it.  We do it because we believe in the blockchain and we are excited about what could be built. Has this caused some bumps on the road along the way? Yes. Is it hard work? Absolutely. But its one of the most rewarding projects I've ever had the good fortune of participating in, and I and the rest of the Syscoin team will continue to innovate, improve and refine our product, our business, and ourselves for as long as you all give us that chance.

I hope this answers your questions.

Hi !, thanks for answering! just to be clear i never said that Syscoin is a bad quality code neither that it is not original. I said that it is fairly easy to understand ( that is a compliment by the way) but to believe that it would be very difficult to fork is just not true (this is in response to some assertion of a member of your team).
I never said that you were a bad coder, in fact i said you were good (literally i said that ) , but my perception is that your ego is (was ?) bigger. I understand now that you have full time jobs and this  is a complex project.
Let's be honest though, should Oracle evaluate the development management of this project you would surely fail and you know it. You also know that the team is not at the level that a corporation require for any minimum source code. All of that would be forgivable if you do it for free, but your team asked 1500 btc which is a lot of money, whether you received the money or if moolah expended all in prostitutes is completely irrelevant for investors.
Sincerely i would never have invested in the project knowing that you guys have full time jobs ( as most of crypto developers ) but at least that explains a lot of things.
I know it is my fault to make suppositions, that is the game and surely that is the reason risk/reward is so high; but the image you sold to investors is that the team is capable of producing corporate quality code and to bring top management skills to the table, you failed to deliver that.
With 1500 btc you asked from investors you could hire 5 full time devs for 2 years. Again, its irrelevant that you didn't receive the money, but investors surely don't have that money in their pockets.

Maybe if you dedicated full time  to this project, history would be different.
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A number of things are in the Pipeline for Syscoin as mentioned countless times by the team - It aint all going to be done in one day, the whole point of the release candidate program is something implemented so things can be tested, tested and before we release something - it's tested yet again.

A big marketing effort is been built at present and hours are been put into this which is part of the roadmap on and from the 27th of this month working with partners to bring more adoption for Syscoin, again - 0.1.5 release is on the doorstep (as per the update from Danosphere - this weekend),

On top of this we are readying up the release of both Android and iOS wallets. If this isnt enough we have the addition of the blockmarket in development - Syncing with the Blockchain.


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@mwheeleruk leaking all the cool stuff we have coming I see! But not ALL of it Wink

I wanted to address this comment quickly:
There is only one coder for most (all?) code, check the style in code, its almost obvious. That is another thing that i totally fell for, i thought that there were at least 3 devs working on this, again my fault. Of course i fell stupid not to think that developer means web developer too; by the way the web page pretty good !

There are at least 3 developers working on the core C++ code including the UI enhancements since we are still stuck in QT (unfortunately  Cry ). I see this (C++ devs spending time on QT interfaces) as a waste of time and skills as we have a large percentage of the team that could implement these interfaces in a different, arguably "better" technology - thus freeing up the C++ developers to push forward on more new features and services such as Syscoin Assets, Syscoin Multisig Encryption and Syscoin Escrow just to name a few. This can all be done while concurrently delivering a much better user experience in terms of the wallet and the Syscoin services therein.

We're always looking for more talented developers at the C++ level!

I feel that we as a crypto team are extremely communicative too- arguable more than most crypto teams. This coin is a long term, large-scale undertaking and we are up to that challenge. This team has skills and vision. We aren't saying we know everything- we most certainly don't and we're improving and learning everyday- any person who thinks they know everything or has no room for improvement is lying to themselves imho.

Also remember that we're kind of inventing a space here- there aren't other coins (or very very few) with built in marketplaces yet that are truly functional, certificates as a service is also a very unique feature. I know some coins like NMC and NXT already have the concept of aliases and assets (NXT) but Syscoin Assets are modeled to specifically be more flexible than NXT assets.

There is a lot coming. And as Coderboo mentioned, until we get the resources and locate the "right people" to fill certain roles on the team we will all continue to work these two full time jobs to make sure the full potential of Syscoin is realized. I also reiterate his message in that you'll see the commitment to this through our actions and deliverables.


Cheesy care to elaborate what better technology than Qt for  C++ and why ?
Are you really sure of what you are saying ?
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October 10, 2014, 02:01:10 AM
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Hi !, thanks for answering! just to be clear i never said that Syscoin is a bad quality code neither that it is not original. I said that it is fairly easy to understand ( that is a compliment by the way) but to believe that it would be very difficult to fork is just not true (this is in response to some assertion of a member of your team).
I never said that you were a bad coder, in fact i said you were good (literally i said that ) , but my perception is that your ego is (was ?) bigger. I understand now that you have full time jobs and this  is a complex project.
Let's be honest though, should Oracle evaluate the development management of this project you would surely fail and you know it. You also know that the team is not at the level that a corporation require for any minimum source code. All of that would be forgivable if you do it for free, but your team asked 1500 btc which is a lot of money, whether you received the money or if moolah expended all in prostitutes is completely irrelevant for investors.
Sincerely i would never have invested in the project knowing that you guys have full time jobs ( as most of crypto developers ) but at least that explains a lot of things.
I know it is my fault to make suppositions, that is the game and surely that is the reason risk/reward is so high; but the image you sold to investors is that the team is capable of producing corporate quality code and to bring top management skills to the table, you failed to deliver that.
With 1500 btc you asked from investors you could hire 5 full time devs for 2 years. Again, its irrelevant that you didn't receive the money, but investors surely don't have that money in their pockets.

Maybe if you dedicated full time  to this project, history would be different.


Thanks for your reply. I'm going to focus on a few specific points. You call out we asked for 1500btc- this is inaccurate. We positioned 1500btc worth of inventory for sale, we didn't say without it being sold out, we wouldn't launch or anything of that nature- just the opposite actually; If the coins didn't sell they'd just be added on to the mining schedule. We said we would use the funds to grow the coin, and that is still 100% accurate. Additionally through DYOR you should have seen we have full time jobs, almost the entire team doxx'd themselves. You can find most of us on LinkedIn and we did also disclose this in presale threads (we have jobs).

With 1500 btc you asked from investors you could hire 5 full time devs for 2 years. Again, its irrelevant that you didn't receive the money, but investors surely don't have that money in their pockets.

Maybe if you dedicated full time  to this project, history would be different.

You quote that you know we don't have the full fund. A few sentences later you say we should be using the full fund to hire fulltime developers. Then you say the fact we don't have the fund is irrelevant, but just a few words before that you said we should use it to hire developers... I'm just pointing out the contradictions (or lack of clarity) in the statements you're making.

I said that it is fairly easy to understand ( that is a compliment by the way) but to believe that it would be very difficult to fork is just not true (this is in response to some assertion of a member of your team).

You're referring to something I said but representing it inaccurately. I said it would be hard to maintain and enhance. Forking any code (aka: cloning) is dead simple.

Cheesy care to elaborate what better technology than Qt for  C++ and why ?
Are you really sure of what you are saying ?

We're moving away from a C++ based UI technology for future wallets. And yes I'm sure. Many other wallets are already doing this with good reason. We're looking at both straight Java and pure web-technologies delivered in a packaged experience. Look at coins like NXT and NHZ.



As Coderboo mentioned earlier, we are working on sourcing additional coders (and other staff) as needed to expedite development but since you are in the industry yourself you know good coders are hard to find and come at a steep price. Nonetheless as stated in several of my replies on the last pages, we're looking for these people.

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It's a tough way, but we will succeed, trust DEV.

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Hi !, thanks for answering! just to be clear i never said that Syscoin is a bad quality code neither that it is not original. I said that it is fairly easy to understand ( that is a compliment by the way) but to believe that it would be very difficult to fork is just not true (this is in response to some assertion of a member of your team).
I never said that you were a bad coder, in fact i said you were good (literally i said that ) , but my perception is that your ego is (was ?) bigger. I understand now that you have full time jobs and this  is a complex project.
Let's be honest though, should Oracle evaluate the development management of this project you would surely fail and you know it. You also know that the team is not at the level that a corporation require for any minimum source code. All of that would be forgivable if you do it for free, but your team asked 1500 btc which is a lot of money, whether you received the money or if moolah expended all in prostitutes is completely irrelevant for investors.
Sincerely i would never have invested in the project knowing that you guys have full time jobs ( as most of crypto developers ) but at least that explains a lot of things.
I know it is my fault to make suppositions, that is the game and surely that is the reason risk/reward is so high; but the image you sold to investors is that the team is capable of producing corporate quality code and to bring top management skills to the table, you failed to deliver that.
With 1500 btc you asked from investors you could hire 5 full time devs for 2 years. Again, its irrelevant that you didn't receive the money, but investors surely don't have that money in their pockets.

Maybe if you dedicated full time  to this project, history would be different.


Thanks for your reply. I'm going to focus on a few specific points. You call out we asked for 1500btc- this is inaccurate. We positioned 1500btc worth of inventory for sale, we didn't say without it being sold out, we wouldn't launch or anything of that nature- just the opposite actually; If the coins didn't sell they'd just be added on to the mining schedule. We said we would use the funds to grow the coin, and that is still 100% accurate. Additionally through DYOR you should have seen we have full time jobs, almost the entire team doxx'd themselves. You can find most of us on LinkedIn and we did also disclose this in presale threads (we have jobs).

With 1500 btc you asked from investors you could hire 5 full time devs for 2 years. Again, its irrelevant that you didn't receive the money, but investors surely don't have that money in their pockets.

Maybe if you dedicated full time  to this project, history would be different.

You quote that you know we don't have the full fund. A few sentences later you say we should be using the full fund to hire fulltime developers. Then you say the fact we don't have the fund is irrelevant, but just a few words before that you said we should use it to hire developers... I'm just pointing out the contradictions (or lack of clarity) in the statements you're making.

I said that it is fairly easy to understand ( that is a compliment by the way) but to believe that it would be very difficult to fork is just not true (this is in response to some assertion of a member of your team).

You're referring to something I said but representing it inaccurately. I said it would be hard to maintain and enhance. Forking any code (aka: cloning) is dead simple.

Cheesy care to elaborate what better technology than Qt for  C++ and why ?
Are you really sure of what you are saying ?

We're moving away from a C++ based UI technology for future wallets. And yes I'm sure. Many other wallets are already doing this with good reason. We're looking at both straight Java and pure web-technologies delivered in a packaged experience. Look at coins like NXT and NHZ.



As Coderboo mentioned earlier, we are working on sourcing additional coders (and other staff) as needed to expedite development but since you are in the industry yourself you know good coders are hard to find and come at a steep price. Nonetheless as stated in several of my replies on the last pages, we're looking for these people.

Dano, 1500 btc are what you asked from investors, if you thought 1490 were good for the coin donating to charity is you business plan, that is,  your teams management skills and therefor,  your teams responsibility. Do you need some ideas ? ok lets brainstorm .... How about borrowing 20k  each  one , resign from job and work closed doors through 4 months before deadline? after all you would have received 1500 btc after that period if every feature was implemented ? . Ok lets suppose you don't have any possibility to get any money (really ? all having jobs ?) and you should keep working, well how about finishing the wallet first having 2 jobs and then only then ask for money ? what would have been the difference for you guys ?  you would have 2 jobs anyway as you have now isn't it ?

For the other topic, could you please detail what better technology than Qt for C++ for UI development and why ?

I am glad that we can  have a civilized discussion about this topics
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Dano, 1500 btc are what you asked from investors, if you thought 1490 were good for the coin donating to charity is you business plan, that is,  your teams management skills and therefor,  your teams responsibility. Do you need some ideas ? ok lets brainstorm .... How about borrowing 20k  each  one , resign from job and work closed doors through 4 months before deadline? after all you would have received 1500 btc after that period if every feature was implemented ? . Ok lets suppose you don't have any possibility to get any money (really ? all having jobs ?) and you should keep working, well how about finishing the wallet first having 2 jobs and then only then ask for money ? what would have been the difference for you guys ?  you would have 2 jobs anyway as you have now isn't it ?

For the other topic, could you please detail what better technology than Qt for C++ for UI development and why ?

I am glad that we can  have a civilized discussion about this topics

Are you suggesting we should have forgone income entirely, taken out personal loans for 20k each (?!) resigned from our jobs and then hope that the presale sold out and... if so... because we had quit our jobs (which and pay for our lives and families) to focus on Syscoin for 4months then we would have not had launch issues and gotten the 1500btc immediately thus making the 20k of personal debt per team member we took on pre-launch repaid?  Huh I hope I'm just misunderstanding something here because that is absurd and frankly completely irresponsible. If you think that is a sound "plan". What if there were still issues come launch? We'd be jobless, heavily in debt, and with families to support.

In either case - I'm sorry but I'm not going to continue this line of hindsight-based "brainstorming" with you. If you have suggestions on how to improve Syscoin beyond the comments you've already made, we welcome them. If you'd like to actually help (since you seem to have so much experience here) we welcome that too. If you're interested in what interface technology we'll be using for UI dev instead of C++ I already answered that and have no interest in debating it.

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Dano, 1500 btc are what you asked from investors, if you thought 1490 were good for the coin donating to charity is you business plan, that is,  your teams management skills and therefor,  your teams responsibility. Do you need some ideas ? ok lets brainstorm .... How about borrowing 20k  each  one , resign from job and work closed doors through 4 months before deadline? after all you would have received 1500 btc after that period if every feature was implemented ? . Ok lets suppose you don't have any possibility to get any money (really ? all having jobs ?) and you should keep working, well how about finishing the wallet first having 2 jobs and then only then ask for money ? what would have been the difference for you guys ?  you would have 2 jobs anyway as you have now isn't it ?

For the other topic, could you please detail what better technology than Qt for C++ for UI development and why ?

I am glad that we can  have a civilized discussion about this topics

Are you suggesting we should have forgone income entirely, taken out personal loans for 20k each (?!) and then hope that the presale sold out and... if so... because we had quit our jobs which and pay for our lives and families to focus on Syscoin for 4months then we would have not had launch issues and gotten the 1500btc thus making the 20k of personal debt per team member repaid? I hope I'm just misunderstanding something here because that is absurd and frankly completely irresponsible. If you think that is a sound "plan". What if there were still issues come launch? We'd be jobless, heavily in debt, and with families to support.

In either case - I'm sorry but I'm not going to continue this line of hindsight-based "brainstorming" with you. If you have suggestions on how to improve Syscoin beyond the comments you've already made, we welcome them. If you're interested in what interface technology we'll be using for UI dev instead of C++ I already answered that and have no interest in starting some debate about it.

Good point ! so it was better to risk some one else money right ? because in your view that is the responsible thing to do ... after all you couldn't be sure that coin would succeed and those 750 000 $us (at the time) were not "real debt"

For the other topic  i would like your opinion on what web technologies or java frameworks are better than qt and why ? you make an assertion but don't explain me why ? please educate me ( not being sarcastic ).
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