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Hi to all,
Despite I have been reading for technical info about miners from 2 years ago, I am newbie on the forum, only 1 post (as sad as this one that I am writing).
I do not like to argue stupidly with people, is that why I try avoiding to talk in forum too much.
I am affected for Bitmine lack of ethics, I placed my order in November 13, and I have been suffering (as others) all this process full of lies and time-waisters.
They offered in August to change with that shit of cloud mining contract (you know).
I suggested them that the compensation they were trying to offer was not filling the easy to calculate losses for their mistakes. Then I asked for an amount of TH/s that would fill this expected earnings (being optimistic). They counter offer less than the half of that amount. I have lost 3 months trying to negotiate with them. But is like always, like everything they do, they win I loose.
So, I respect if someone wants to say they are nice or not, I really doubt that if someone was fine with them would be loosing their time here, trying to explain with half of infos that they had success.
My point is that if you owe lots of money to your customers and you say that you can not pay it because they have no money...where came the money to buy some place in Island to build their "chicken farm"? they told me, and I am quoting that guy at the phone that thinks he is funny called Keerim "Hey, look, we don't fabric money, we are not a bank..." I assumed they were not a bank, so like others, I am the bank. I wasn't pretending they were a Bank, just that they would accomplish what they promised (at least once).
So in May they put me on 2nd week of October to get my refund after some arguing. Let's say that we all know that business sometimes, try to exhaust customers to survive and get their money, at least is my opinion.
I have contacted some lawyers, from there (too expensive for the process) and from my country, my lawyer advise was to wait until second week of October to see what happens in order to avoid making noise, cause I am peaceful guy and I do not like to make noise for nothing, but if I have to do it I will put everything on that.
I consider that they had too much opportunities to show their cards and make us think that they were just mental retarded, but at this point I can assume they voluntary do this. There is no hidden force that doesn't permit them to pay refunds.
I have been taking a look at some possibilities since May. I will try to make my best.
If you want to put a claim at interpol, just put a claim at your country first, interpol uses to act when there are claims from some countries...or that is what I think. And that is what I am going to do tomorrow.
What is important to me is that if I can't get my entirely refund, I prefer to invest my money against them, some told me that going to the court would made me loose money, that's ok, at least I will make them loose credibility......I am not going to surrender.
Hope everyone that is affected as me, will have a happy end to this process.
About what I read that customers are investors on Bitmine:
Well, I advise that I do not like to reply to everything is said or that quotes me or whatever, so do not expect me talking everyday, only when I have something to share with you...
Have a nice day.
Despite I have been reading for technical info about miners from 2 years ago, I am newbie on the forum, only 1 post (as sad as this one that I am writing).
I do not like to argue stupidly with people, is that why I try avoiding to talk in forum too much.
I am affected for Bitmine lack of ethics, I placed my order in November 13, and I have been suffering (as others) all this process full of lies and time-waisters.
They offered in August to change with that shit of cloud mining contract (you know).
I suggested them that the compensation they were trying to offer was not filling the easy to calculate losses for their mistakes. Then I asked for an amount of TH/s that would fill this expected earnings (being optimistic). They counter offer less than the half of that amount. I have lost 3 months trying to negotiate with them. But is like always, like everything they do, they win I loose.
So, I respect if someone wants to say they are nice or not, I really doubt that if someone was fine with them would be loosing their time here, trying to explain with half of infos that they had success.
My point is that if you owe lots of money to your customers and you say that you can not pay it because they have no money...where came the money to buy some place in Island to build their "chicken farm"? they told me, and I am quoting that guy at the phone that thinks he is funny called Keerim "Hey, look, we don't fabric money, we are not a bank..." I assumed they were not a bank, so like others, I am the bank. I wasn't pretending they were a Bank, just that they would accomplish what they promised (at least once).
So in May they put me on 2nd week of October to get my refund after some arguing. Let's say that we all know that business sometimes, try to exhaust customers to survive and get their money, at least is my opinion.
I have contacted some lawyers, from there (too expensive for the process) and from my country, my lawyer advise was to wait until second week of October to see what happens in order to avoid making noise, cause I am peaceful guy and I do not like to make noise for nothing, but if I have to do it I will put everything on that.
I consider that they had too much opportunities to show their cards and make us think that they were just mental retarded, but at this point I can assume they voluntary do this. There is no hidden force that doesn't permit them to pay refunds.
I have been taking a look at some possibilities since May. I will try to make my best.
If you want to put a claim at interpol, just put a claim at your country first, interpol uses to act when there are claims from some countries...or that is what I think. And that is what I am going to do tomorrow.
What is important to me is that if I can't get my entirely refund, I prefer to invest my money against them, some told me that going to the court would made me loose money, that's ok, at least I will make them loose credibility......I am not going to surrender.
Hope everyone that is affected as me, will have a happy end to this process.
About what I read that customers are investors on Bitmine:
- Lol
- I got no more time for this
Well, I advise that I do not like to reply to everything is said or that quotes me or whatever, so do not expect me talking everyday, only when I have something to share with you...
Have a nice day.
I all,
I want to share my experience.
I made a complaint through CYCO in
http://www.cybercrime.admin.ch/kobik/en/home.html
They responded as follows:
Dear Mr. yyyyy,
These last months, CYCO has received a significant number of claims regarding the website bitmine.ch owned by the company Bitmine AG. It seems that the company is experiencing troubles to delivering their customers’ orders and promises reimbursements. After some research, it appears that many other clients complained about the same problem in discussion forums over the Internet. CYCO has already reported this case to the police and public prosecutor of canton of Ticino.
In principle, under Swiss law, a delay in delivery does not necessarily constitute a criminal behavior of the seller. A purchase on the Internet creates primarily a contractual relationship (object against the sale price). If delivery is not made, the Swiss contract law gives buyers different ways to act. They can especially give the seller more time and if it still does not execute the delivery, they can cancel the contract. There is fraud (art. 146 of the Swiss criminal code), and thus a criminal behavior, when the seller has the view to securing an unlawful gain for himself or another willfully induces an erroneous belief in another person by false pretences and thus causes that person to act to the prejudice of his or another’s financial interests. In certain circumstances, courts require a prior verification of the real intention of the seller.
Therefore:
- in any case, you can act through the civil process, but most of the time it will need a lawyer due to the difficulties of the civil procedure (applicable law? Competent jurisdiction?);
- if the conditions of fraud are fulfilled according to Swiss law (art. 146 CP), you have the possibility to file a complaint to the public prosecutor of canton of Ticino (Ministero Pubblico, via Pretorio 16, 6900 Lugano). You will have to give all available information’s and clearly explain the case (name, address, facts, documents, etc.);
- You may have also the possibility to contact the competent authorities of your country to file a complaint in your country.
Resuming I think the best way is participate the case demonstrating that was a fraud and not a delay to:
- To your country authorities and interpol.
- And the most important, complaint to the public prosecutor of canton of Ticino (Ministero Pubblico, via Pretorio 16, 6900 Lugano).
We have to do that very well because Giorgio Massarotto is coming here reading and posting on the forum with another username and is well prepared to continue scammed us.
You guys do not give up or never will see your money back.
Thank you for sharing , please keep us updated!!
