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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XRP - Coindesk: The Case for Ripple in the Age of Big Bank Blockchains on: March 03, 2016, 02:34:32 AM
Ripple (not really but in name) financiers have done well in collecting talented developers, keeping them well fed and locked up and preventing them from doing anything useful for humanity.  "Here's a big screen.  Make some silly icons or something.  We need a new deck for our next round."  Y'all got fiatted.  You want to be remembered for cutting costs on interbank accounting of counterfeitables?  Or are you going to get out there and do something interesting?      

Developers can come and go as they please, but obviously they would like to do something revolutionary with their lives, like create the Internet of Value, that's what ripple is doing... ripple is not making alliances or friends with bankers, they serve big and small FIs. They are disrupting correspondent banking freeing up capital and providing global liquidity, providing remittances and micropayments. Taking the top down approach, but bottom up will come later. How about Interledger protocol, you don't think that a global payment standard is necessary?

If their devs or any others want to make a difference in the world they can volunteer and work for free rippleworks.org (Chris Larsen funded charity)

What is your idea of the internet of value, or have you not figured it out yet?
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XRP - Coindesk: The Case for Ripple in the Age of Big Bank Blockchains on: March 03, 2016, 01:03:36 AM
Nobody on bitcointalk likes Ripple or its centralized control. Try posting on bankerstalk.org instead

Yep... while bitcoin becomes more centralized with their three Chinese miners Ripple is becoming decentralized by adding validators (including MS so far).  And... if you are an Eth guy.  Ask Buterin what is better. Three Chinese miners or ten banks running validators.



ALSO.... READ THE ARTICLE BEFORE POSTING.  (you both responded within 2min of me posting the article - troll proof Wink )

Not interested at all.  No one is.

I assume the community would NOT regard you as their spokesman.

Thats beside the point.   No one gives a shit about ripple, not on this board, not anywhere in the world.

You know nothing about ripple, you have no argument and you have nothing substantial to say about bitcoin or ETH, so you are you wasting your time here. Actual FIs are adopting the protocol, the Fed is considering it for faster payments, and W3C is working with them to create ILP and eventual ILP integrated ripple protocol, so somebody out there gives a shit about it. Come back here the end of the year or next year and we'll see how centralized, I mean decentralized ripple has become. Meanwhile BTC block halves and they can't increase the block-size because the centralized Chinese mining cartels won't allow it.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple or Bitcoin on: November 24, 2014, 05:39:23 AM
Correct me, if I'm wrong:

Ripple was developped and held (50%) by a company, wasn't it?
In this case I absolutely prefer bitcoin.

Are there some control mechanism to prevent price manipulation by their own company?
You're talking about the currency inside the Ripple payment system, often called XRP. That's really not intended to be used as a means of exchange or a store of value (at least in the near term), so it's not really fair to compare it to Bitcoin (which is).


Yet funnily enough its the way the company behind Opencoin was to generate revenue (not to mention individuals within to generate a personal wealth...no?)   Roll Eyes
Don't confuse the system with the revenue model. Google is good if it's a really good search engine. Google makes money if it generates really good ad revenue. But it would be kind of odd to judge Google as a search engine based on its ability to generate ad revenue.

To carry the analogy a bit too far, the way Google might think about it is like this -- if we make a really good search engine, it will generate lots of ad revenue. So if you care about the long term, you design it to be a great search engine and judge design decisions based on that, not on their affect on revenue.

Ripple was designed to be a great payment system and to federate existing payments systems. It also has features to support social/community credit and other types of possible future economic activity. We weren't trying to build something whose primary purpose was to generate revenue for us. Those priorities are reflected in the design.

If you build something whose primary purpose is to make you money, there's a good chance nobody will ever use it. And if you try to decentralize it, it will fail because there's no shared goal to make you money.

Build something great first.


Nice rhetoric.  Too bad it's all bullshit considering Ripple is a centralized premine scam intended to make Jed and its' founders incredibly wealthy.  You know it's not winning over the public if they have to send their employees to write replies, knowingly that nobody in the public is going to root for them.

I'll say what maybe JoelKatz wants to say: What do you call BTC, a speculative scam mined by the few, and controlled by the capitalist investors who pump the price? Look at the facts, weigh the pros vs. cons and consider your risks...

Ripple is not a scam, founders and Jed are contractually bound by lock-up agreements, and also have distribution strategies (except for Jed). So the founders will likely distribute some of their XRP to the underbanked, like mentioned by Chris Larsen.

The point is everyone has an opportunity to invest in a stable digital currency / protocol and profit from the value that JoeKatz describes in the design of the ripple protocol. Based on risk and volatility alone, I'll take my chances with XRP any day.

That's obvious, I doubt RL sends their employees to the forum to win over the public, it seems Mr. Katz is only here educate people on ripple and btc. Ripple may or may not compete with BTC as a store of value or payment mechanism, but the ripple protocol will definitely support BTC as a currency / form of payment / store of value as ripple will with every other form of value on the planet.

This is the first and last post I will ever make on this forum Smiley
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