I'm waiting for a refund too... but I doubt accusing them of fraud or scamming is going to help.  It's a new, small hardware company without a pr team.  I think they're just having a tough time.  If you asked for a refund, they have cash tied up in the parts for your rig.  It's in your best interest not to publicly speculate or accuse them of purposefully ripping people off, and let them try to sell it.  If they go bankrupt you lose your money.  

I think it's just a small company that got in over their heads.  If you want to do something constructive, call them, have your lawyer call them, or log your refund on http://www.bitminerefund.com.  Death threats and speculative defamation put you in the wrong.

Giorgio, I've called you guys, and you seem to want to run an honest business.  Total silence lets people assume the worst, it makes you look bad.  Could you give us some kind of update?

   That is a problem with notifying any law enforcement agency including local police and FBI.  I can't imagine trying to explain this to local police and expecting them to take action.  I doubt they know or care about what Bitcoin is, and the scammer probably isn't in this region.  At least the FBI has made attempts to learn about bitcoin, and has a mechanism for reporting such crimes.  If enough people report there, I'm sure they will take action.  The UC Davis police have other reasons to investigate.  Regarding the value of what was stolen, I'm pretty sure it was more than a typical bank robbery.

Ok, that makes sense.

The FBI has shown interest in cryptocurrency, and I don't think they would ignore such a scam.  You might not be him, but your post still doesn't make sense.  You suggested non-Americans should leave it be because it was an American, and that Americans should talk to their local police instead of the FBI because... it was a Russian? 

My point is, no matter how well known the entity is, crimes like that will be committed, and guys like you will find a way to blame the victim.  You could probably look at most fatal shootings and find a part during the victim's day they should have done differently to avoid it.  Sometimes it's just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but if you aren't a victim you can enjoy a sense of intellectual superiority, right?

I wonder if people said that after Enron.  Some of us did put effort into that before the indecent, but we are dealing with a semi-anonymous currency.  Plus, at one point Moonco.in was the only exchange for Solidcoin, so even if you investigated, there was no shopping around.  Rape victims are often told they shouldn't have dressed a certain way, car thefts could have been avoided by parking elsewhere.  You can look at any crime and twist it so that the victim is to blame.

What an interesting combination of contradictory statements and bad advice!  Something about that last post rubs me the wrong way, so I'm going to break it down.  The post starts out by bashing the scammer to earn trust, then gives bad advice that will not likely lead to prosecution.  The first problem is that he suggests both that the scammer resides outside of the US, then says that people outside the US are SOL.  This is contradictory.



This makes me think LoupGaroux has unsaid intentions, or at least doesn't know what he's talking about.  Then he recommends that people contact local police instead of the FBI experts in internet crime or his school police who would be better able to assess the situation locally.  This comes across to me as intentionally bad advice and sets off alarm bells.

Upisdown's linguistic skill degraded rapidly before LoupGaroux's post, which pointed out that he has poor language skills.  It seems like someone is trying to distinguish themselves as a different author.  Look at upsidedown's earlier posts, he knows how to speak proper English.  He describes 'paradox' as a 'literary device' here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=24829.msg308325#msg308325

Upisdown took the same break from bitcointalk.org.  Sept 5/6 - Sept 27/28.  LoupGaraux also began posting on this topic hours after upisdown left.

Finally, LoupGaroux reports having other personas here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15672.msg507350#msg507350

...and LoupGaraux means werewolf, which has traditional ties to the moon.  Very clever!

If this is MrMoon, of course he would influence people to report to local police instead of the FBI experts on internet crime.  Even if it's not Mr Moon, this is a federal matter, not a local matter.  Report directly to his school police: dmmalloy@ucdavis.edu or to the FBI here: http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx

There's a difference between "posting" and "actively promoting".  You actively promoted the obscure cryptocurrency exchange of a scam artist who shares your ip address.  You might just be terribly unlucky, but I'm sure you can see that it looks bad.

Either way, you're right that the authorities should be contacted.  This is the FBI's website for reporting internet crime.  I'd encourage everyone who lost currency on Moonco.in to use it.  The longer we wait the less likely we'll be to recover lost funds and catch the scammer.  Don't assume everyone else will report it.

http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx

Nobody is stretching anything.  The group of people who used Mooncoin and Solidcoin was very small.  The group of people who actively participated in promoting mooncoin like you did, included only 2 people.  Two people who often posted within minutes of each other.  In the same style.  From the same ip.  It's not a stretch at all.  Actually, it's a stretch to believe otherwise.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=29375.msg388004#msg388004

Well, it's likely you aren't a mastermind.  You used the same ip address to post as the only two advocates of moonco.in.  One of which can be easily linked back to who you really are, and often posted promotional material within minutes of the other.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=29375.msg388004#msg388004

You want us to believe that the two top promoters of mooncoin, an unpopular exchange for an obscure currency happen to have the same ip address (1 in 4 billion chance), but don't know each other?

I wonder if there's some way to make a currency that always has the same value.  Not just equivalent to today's EU or US currency, but adjusts according to cost of living over the years.  So if you buy one at $1 today, it's still worth whatever that $1 + inflation would be in the future.  It couldn't be limited like BTC, because if it were limited it's value might increase.

The real problem is that it isn't specific posts that are overly offensive.  Some of them just wreck the conversation by posting more junk than discussion.  This is a good example:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41019.0

I'm not sure at what point I would report that.  1 or 2 jokes, ok, but it's pages and pages, and most aren't even funny.  You have to look hard for real contributions.  That's why I said we could use a regular mod in that section.  I'd have to report every other post for trolling.

I was complaining about trolling, not moderation.  In my post I made the honest mistake of thinking there was no moderation in that forum, and I even asked for help finding some:

Free speech is the freedom to speak without censorship.  That's all it is.  Sometimes it applies to laws, sometimes it doesn't.  I'm saying we need to balance people's ability to speak without sensorship with other people's ability to speak without being drowned out by punks.

You think people should stop posting about alt currencies in the alt currency section?

I don't like over moderation either but we can't talk about a client update or a logo design without wading though an ocean of insults and fluff.  It's at the point where trolls are preventing any actual cryptocurrency related discussion.  So we need someone to moderate.

Free speech is a concept that exists outside of the US constitution + amendments.  But this board does need cleaning.

Ya, this thread isn't going to help.  We need actual mods who can distinguish between free speech and the smothering of new ideas in a sea of shit and self centred behaviour.

Who would we talk to if we wanted mods in the alt currencies forums?

I think disagreements can be a good thing, but you can tell when users are arguing to improve something or destroy it.  If you're just posting to be jerk why not go work on something else instead?

Placement of the balance makes more sense where you moved it to.