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1  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin Loans? on: December 13, 2011, 09:05:40 AM
Aggregating capital has become so common it's hard to imaging life without loans and debt. Loans should be the exception, not the rule. Financial sorcerers have conjured arcane debt based commodities that perpetuate debt. IBB has simplified loans to bring back loans to a community level. I hope this model catches on. Open Transactions will probably facilitate community based loans, even if the community is global.

Absolutely agree, neither a borrower or a lender be, live within your means etc etc etc when you borrow for business purposes you are selling your company to the the bank far better to grow slowly from your own efforts.
2  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Install PyopenCL fails on Fedora 14 on: December 12, 2011, 11:15:30 AM
Thanks SAC. I've spent the entire evening looking at various miners and had concluded that already.
It would seem I have the worst possible system for bit mining, not a Debian derivation and not a AMD gpu. Most of the miners I've looked at use pyopencl with the exception of Ufasofts which I had high hopes for as its installation files were the familiar conf/make/make install and it gave a config option to exclude AMD so no opencl required it would use CUDA.
Unfortunately it failed to make because its missing JWasm and JWasm appears to be non trivial to install. There is much waffle on the net about prebuilt binaries which I've not been able to find and no clear instructions on how to build it or install it so it looks like I'm stumped for the moment.
I shall persevere.
3  Other / Beginners & Help / Install PyopenCL fails on Fedora 14 on: December 12, 2011, 06:57:31 AM
Hi,

Just exploring this mining malarky and finding it a bit confusing.
I've read a few topics looking for suggestions / instructions and decided I'd try the poclbm miner. Grabbed that and ran it, got no where needs opencl. Found a helpful link to opencl
Code:
http://wiki.tiker.net/PyOpenCL/Installation/Linux
and followed the instructions but when I run make it fails with this error message

Code:
gcc -pthread -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -m64 -mtune=generic -D_GNU_SOURCE -fPIC -fwrapv -O3 -DNDEBUG -fPIC -DPYGPU_PACKAGE=pyopencl -DBOOST_PYTHON_SOURCE=1 -DPYOPENCL_USE_DEVICE_FISSION=1 -DBOOST_MULTI_INDEX_DISABLE_SERIALIZATION=1 -Dboost=pyopenclboost -DPYGPU_PYOPENCL=1 -Ibpl-subset/bpl_subset -I/opencl-install-location/include -I/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/include -I/usr/include/python2.7 -c src/wrapper/wrap_cl.cpp -o build/temp.linux-x86_64-2.7/src/wrapper/wrap_cl.o
In file included from src/wrapper/wrap_cl.cpp:1:0:
src/wrapper/wrap_cl.hpp:27:19: fatal error: CL/cl.h: No such file or directory
compilation terminated.
error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
So it has failed to import or create the cl.h file
Trawling around the forums I find references to .h libs and SDKs but no real info. I did find a reference to an AMD SDK is this what they are refering to and if it is why is not mentioned as prequisite. Further I have an Nvidia gpu, does poclbm work with Nvidia cards or is it optomised for AMD?
Can someone shed a little light on this meanwhile I'll look at some of the other miners.
4  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: December 12, 2011, 06:40:08 AM
Hi I'm Bazza, this sure is an active forum.
5  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Diary of a Bitcoin Virgin on: December 12, 2011, 06:32:40 AM


Probably because you are CPU mining. Do you have all cores mining, or just one?
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Probably because I'm using a web app, but yep all 4 cores are running at 100%.
Gotta say that getting started on this mining business is complicated can't even get pyopencl to install on Fedora

Throws up this

Code:
In file included from src/wrapper/wrap_cl.cpp:1:0:
src/wrapper/wrap_cl.hpp:27:19: fatal error: CL/cl.h: No such file or directory
compilation terminated.
error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1
6  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Diary of a Bitcoin Virgin on: December 11, 2011, 10:42:22 PM
Hahahahahahaha, I'm new to Bitcoin as well, I think it is a revolutionary idea and it needs coins to circulate hence it needs mners. I've just had a play with bitcoinplus.com  Cheesy, my quad core PC can get a payout of 0.0000446 BTC once an hour (roughly). I believe solving a block gets you 50 BTC, it would take me 130 years to get that on bitcoinplus.com  Cheesy.
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