hey guess what FUCK YOU. I dont expect people to call me names when im not even in this!!!

I found out about the dash instamine scam on my own without any monero peoples help from GOOGLE! You idiot thats why i was so mad cause i bought before knowing what had happened!

yes IDGAF about how well the investement performs im looking to buy LONGTERM, and as soon as Dash gets pumped again im selling my shit.

Fuck instamines and you too, i also have 5 btc not 0.1 btc!.

so he's a victim of Trollero FUD....now he bought some Trolleros:


...This is Monero's target market, noobs with 0.1 BTC who they can FUD into believing that Dash "is a scam!!&$^#*!!" when it's the biggest success story in alts.  It's not going to make any difference, and I hope this poor guy didn't sell his Dash he bought 2 weeks ago because a lot of people think Dash price is cheap right now.

In addition, to join the Monero irc channel, just use this link -> https://webchat.freenode.net/, set the channel to #monero and you should be good to go!

no way man. the science of cryptography is a never ending battle of attrition. the ring signatures that monero uses will be broken some day. count on it. that doesnt mean we cant have a hell of a party while they hold and make some great use out of them before they are broken

*edit* with the exception of one time pads. those are a priori secure forever.

' i feel literal pain reading the dogshit that you type' - you must be a monero investor ®

'cryptography that monero uses is like the blockchain itself, so breaking into it is near impossible, just as breaking into bitcoins blockchain is near impossible. '

that's not correct, cryptonote uses it's own system for the cryptography as i understand it.

and that system is the gatekeeper that prevents people in the future from deanonimizing your XMR transactions (assuming someone doesn't steal/extort/confiscate your viewkey or the PC that it lives on)

and people have speculated that Cryptonote has vulnerabilities in it (nothing to do with Bitcion's code which has been vetted 1000s of times and proved in the market)

one example is Berstein said elliptic curve's signature generation algorithm should use a deterministic random to eliminate dependency on random generation derived from external events.

Cryptonote added nondeterministic randoms through the random_scalar function...so that's an implanted vulneability.

I haven't read the code so IDK, but when I raise the response is not 'here is the code and it's not true' or 'yes we fixed that already', it's 'get your tinfoil hats on'

and you right i type dogshit?  how can you sit there and type that to someone trying to discuss the topic on the thread you are in (and setup buy the coin you suport) lol?

EDIT: i'm done here, in all the 13 months of all the alts, xmr is *the* shittiest community around. i wouldn't invest if it was the last currency on earth. lol

Hey, I'm a cryptocurrency "investor" if you call it that. I was looking for coins to buy in. I already chose Monero and Bitcoindark, then I came across DASH and thought why not. Then I searched more and found out DASH HAD A INSTAMINE??? WTF! Does anyone have more info? I came across 6 threads talking about the instamine, how bad was it? I dont want biased replies from DASH bagholders either.

Is it true? Was 2million fucking DASH coins, 50% of the damn supply mined in the first 48 hours??!! I want fucking answers, finding this out was like getting punched in the gut. If this coin got instamined at its release, fuck this shit!

post starts with 'you are stupid' - you must be an XMR investor?

i will try to make my point clearer, maybe i am not communicating well enough:

DRK anonymity - does not rely on cryptography, information required to deanonimize is not accessible after the anonimization

XMR anonymity - relies on cryptography, information required to deanonimize is accessible in the blockchain (encrypted) at any time after the anonimization

...then my understanding is people like andytoshi are saying 'you have to use cryptography' and xmr people are saying 'there has to be mathematical proof' to prove the anonimity is secure - my references to complex systems were trying to explain this isn't true.  what has cryptography got to do with moving information out of a system (by making it more ambiguous)?  how is using a process like cryptography better in this case?  encrypting the info to deanonimize e.g. a darknet transaction and storing it on the blockchain in-perpetuity seems like a really dumb idea for anyone who cares about security. (and yes i am aware that drk's anonymity system uses cryptography for the underlying system)

this is supposed to be an 'XMR vs DRK' thread, I haven't seen this point yet, everyone who just calls me stupid instead of showing how the above is stupid *is stupid*

So i guess that by that you are saying that math is so developed it can even describe the formation of the whole universe because you watched a video of a computer model?.

And andytoshi said "I'm not sure what you mean by "math hasn't got to the stage where it can describe complex systems". I have a math degree and several published papers in mathematics and I can't for the life of me square this claim with actual work in the field. "

So neither of you are aware of some fundamental unsolved maths problems which appear quite mundane, like a complete model for how turbulence works: "In particular, solutions of the Navier–Stokes equations often include turbulence, which remains one of the greatest unsolved problems in physics, despite its immense importance in science and engineering."  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier%E2%80%93Stokes_existence_and_smoothness
https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2007/03/18/why-global-regularity-for-navier-stokes-is-hard/

or until a few years ago we didn't even have a model for how sound waves actually work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_acoustics

both complex systems....math not work yet (ok non-linear acoustics was just found...)

And my point that it is more secure to remove information from a system than to keep it in the system encoded, which means you don't need cryptography for all parts of a cryptocurrency, was avoided.

One thing is a 51% hashpower attack. Another thing is a (hard)fork. You don't need to control 51% or more of the network to do a hardfork of a coin. You can do it yourself, but it's up to the other people to accept these changes. Part of people can accept and other can't accept, and in this way you would have 2 versions of the coin running independently (and also incompatible). They could just stay at the original version or tried another scheme more compatible with the rythm of the first hours.

Of course, they did it wrong, and this is why I dislike Dash, but creating another topic about this, claimiing the police should be called and other things like this doesn't help in any way. Even worse, a state intervention in this could create a very very bad precedent for other cryptocurrencies (including the legit ones).

I'd put a red flag into someone creating an account on BitcoinTalk just to ask this.

Anyway, instamines or unfair practices in cryptocurrencies per si are not illegal. And you call the police from what country? What they should do? Shutdown the network? Of course, they are questionable, specially on cases when you decide lately to change the mining reward schemes. The code is open and anyone can modify it, including the mining reward. These changes requires consensus to work. So, even this being a scam, it's not just the lead developer who is scamming. It's a scam built by consensus.

Here's the long account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999886.0

Here's the short: Dev starts before he said he would, mines 500K first hour (1.5 mill in first 8 hours), and then tells everyone it was a bug, but never relaunches the coin, but does rename it twice (x, dark, dash).

this should be a warning to all XMR investors: http://web.archive.org/web/20141106091836/http://www.cryptobang.com/2014/10/05/what-nsa-created-cryptonote-for/

NSA being well known for building complex vulnerabilities into systems that can then be exploited to provide backdoors...if the designer of your platform has these intentions there is no way to know what all the vulnerabilities can be.  Look at the recent Heartbleed 'bug' that went on for at least 2 years with NSA using it...http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-04-11/nsa-said-to-have-used-heartbleed-bug-exposing-consumers

No one in the market is going to touch a coin that is built on code that had NSA design involvement, especially people seeking anonymity.

Coupled with the fact core devs 'smooth' and 'fluffy' spout about honesty and integrity then spend a large amount of time trolling the competition, and asking for donations to 'speed up', (NTM all volume through Poloniex...) there are a lot of red flags IMO.

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