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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 built in 2013 with future in mind on: March 29, 2020, 08:45:00 PM
There were really some plans about official Foundation in 2015, but later it became clear that it would be better for a decentralised project if there are no companies/official entities behind it, that the community decides things and not just a group of old supporters. However, the ANN thread was already started and was quite active. Several times I asked Bitcointalk  mods to change the name of my account. If I created a new account, I would not be able to update the original post of the thread with up to date information. During years there was a disclosure in the original post about my nickname, that there was no official foundation.
I never was and never tried to be a Mooncoin leader. I was updating the original post of this ANN thread according to my understanding of consensus, fairness, ethics, recommendations of trusted members of the community.

The model of Mooncoin development was quite unique and truly decentralised: the community of investors, and tech devs who worked, receiving donations from the community for implementing things, approved by the community, at the same time a tech dev was not just a 'hired' persons, he had his voice, his view and initiatives, and community was listening to his recommendations. There also were active supporters, who represented interests of community by connecting devs to community, or by promoting Mooncoin, by making their channels, groups.
This model, without a dev team and any leader was well balanced and decentralised, it had its own risks, but it was cost of fairness, real decentralisation and true progress according to interests of community.
On the contrary, another, more typical for the most of coins model with an official dev team very often is not so well balanced and not so decentralised like they claim. Dev teams have leaders, duties, formal agreements, roadmaps, but what is more important: they have their own interests and are able technically to impose them to community. Dev teams control Githubs, they decide and make releases. With a dev team there is absolutely another spirit, people feel like they just depend on a dev team and have not to contribute anything by themselves, and often there is no parity, there are politics, bosses, cynicism, biases. Any official dev team means a center. If implemented into a decentralised, 'with no center' crypto project, the model can easily become hypocritical.

The name 'Foundation' turned out to be not good for a decentralised project, it led to perception that someone is a 'boss', or that there is some group which decides things, that was just a bias, anyway. Moreover, I was told that other persons spoke on behalf of 'Foundation' at other channels. I confirm that I communicate only at Bitcointalk, and all messages, posts, announcements, made somewhere else under 'Mooncoin Foundation' are not mine, and were not authorised by me.  In 2015-2017 words 'Mooncoin Foundation' were used unofficially to unite members with more than 1 billion MOON, and that was great. But then old good times passed, and now it is important to be exact to avoid misunderstanding, split of chain and community.

We discussed it with old community members, and we came to the conclusion that the best decision would be to start a new ANN thread, not under a name 'Mooncoin_Foundation', due to the fact that there is no official Foundation behind Mooncoin project. It will be better for perception, and will be a step to the future.

The true history of Mooncoin development, the truth about 62B, SmartLikes, the situation with 0.17 and 0.18:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733963.msg54113024#msg54113024
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733963.msg53974582#msg53974582
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 built in 2013 with future in mind on: March 29, 2020, 07:25:12 PM
I was thinking about some accusations, that there were 'individual instructions' and not the consensus thing. Anyway, when a dev codes a wallet, he does it whether after his own decision, whether after receiving instructions from other members. Instructions can be public, made by different community members via posting at forum, or instructions can be sent via PM, by a member who is a 'bridge' between the community and a dev.  However, if the community agrees with something, asks for it, waits for it, if it is evident for everyone that something is good for the entire community, is it correct to say about 'individual instructions', even if finally these instructions were sent to a dev in a PM by one person who connected a dev and the community?
Another accusation was that things should not be voted at forum, but should be presented to miners via miners or users activated fork. Maybe it works for big coins like DOGE, LTC or BTC. But if there are about 50-80 nodes like in Mooncoin network and we understand that miners mine a coin mostly to sell it at exchanges and are not very well informed about a situation with Mooncoin, and one user can run easily 10 nodes, can we say that miners or users activated fork means community consensus and fair voting exactly in this case?
It worked in this way: community members were asked via posts in the thread and via PM about their decision and a dev was informed, or a dev asked other members by himself, via posting or via PM, some devs communicated also at Discord and got instructions from Discord community members. If even minority of members don't agree with something, for me it is always a sign that something is wrong. However, if I remember correct, until the last events, the only disagreement in the community about what to implement was about Mooncoin logo.

Accusations? Again? From the Mooncoin Core Team? They should stop making accusations and focus only on development instead, if that's really what they want, or definitely leave, as you already proposed to them...

I'm still thinking about accusations which were already made on the last pages of this thread. My proposal  was about an independent dev who could be a peacemaker for the entire community.
It is very sad to see the split of community, bad emotions, accusations, untrue statements, but if someone makes them, it means that something is wrong. During 2015-2016 years Mooncoin ANN thread was a good place with positive emotions, interesting suggestions, normal critics, disputes, there was a big friendly community, unfortunately since 2017 something changed.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 built in 2013 with future in mind on: March 29, 2020, 08:59:40 AM
https://miningpoolstats.stream/mooncoin
Mining pool stats
Mining-dutch.nl, hash-to-coins are on 0.17.1 and mine,
Prohashing, Aikapool, Zergpool are on 0.17.1 and don't mine currently.


Is there any issue in these pools ? I ask if you know something.

I can only guess that they are waiting for exchanges, when they open their MOON wallet for deposits.
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/moon is on 0.17.1 and it shows which pools mine Mooncoin and what the current block count is.
Prohashing block explorer https://prohashing.com/explorer/Mooncoin/ is also on 0.17.1.
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 built in 2013 with future in mind on: March 28, 2020, 06:00:41 PM
https://miningpoolstats.stream/mooncoin
Mining pool stats
Mining-dutch.nl, hash-to-coins are on 0.17.1 and mine,
Prohashing, Aikapool, Zergpool are on 0.17.1 and don't mine currently.
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 built in 2013 with future in mind on: March 28, 2020, 04:39:14 PM
There was one more accusation, that in Jan, 2020 there was an announcement at Telegram about a new release,
and ChekaZ and Peter started to work after that,  'to compete'?

Once all that was done and complete we made stakeholders aware of it (0.17) with a month's advance notice(January 12th).  It was a month later that 0.18 was rushed out (Peter Bushnell confirmed he was contacted mid January to build 0.18.

here is Bitcointalk, September, 2019:

After almost 2 years of stagnation it's clear that without community there is no progress.
Devs come and go, and if we are just waiting for them, it looks for people like the coin is abandoned.
Mooncoin always was backed by the community, like Wikipedia when everyone is able to edit, with no contracts, salaries, companies behind it.
During this stagnation people became passive and probably begin to lose faith in MOON and even don't post in the thread.
However, your posts and ideas matter.
The Mooncoin community suggests and decides things about Mooncoin.

Regarding the Coinexchange issue old investors tried to contact them, but they didn't answer.
It's not a problem to send some MOON to them to reopen wallets,
the problem is it's needed to know their MOON address and the exact amount to send.
If they have lost some MOON, maybe that could happen (to a degree though, other services and users didn't report lost coins) due to outdated codebase of MOON, the latest release was made in Dec, 2017 by a previous dev: https://github.com/mooncoincore/wallet/releases.
Edit: other than that Mooncoin definitely has to increase its network hashrate, however, if there is no good progress (first of all, no wallet developments and no projects on top of Mooncoin blockchain), there is a lack of interest from miners and investors.

Good afternoon. I agree 100% with you. I have said it many times to the members of Development Team. This community needs positive news. Also, there are many potential investors who watch Mooncoin. However, they need to see some progress.

here is Bitcointalk, November, 2019:

Also, to prove that our words are not just words and that the future of Mooncoin is in hands of the community,
old investors invited ChekaZ, a transparent person, CoinKit CEO https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99330 to implement MoonWord after almost 2 years of no action from our devs,
the community cannot wait any longer.

In several days MoonWord will be completely implemented by ChekaZ into the official wallet. It will not require a fork, just there will be Mooncoin Windows wallet with intuitively clear MoonWord solution, ready to use on a daily basis, for free, with no 3rd parties, directly onto blockchain.

Great to see that legendary Mooncoin project is still alive and moving forward Smiley Keep it up!

MoonWord has been released under Version 0.13.9.1

https://github.com/ChekaZ/moon/releases/tag/0.13.9.1 ( This is a temporary repository, will post when the new one is up. )

How to use MoonWord:

Important ( txindex=1 ) needs to be set on the config.

1. Go to the MoonWord Tab
2. Choose an address from where you want to send the MoonWord ( From )
3. Put the receiving address into the ( To ) Field
4. Write your Message into the (MessageBox )
5. Press send.

How to get Reports?

If you have received a MoonWord:

1. Go to the MoonWord Tab
2. Look at the Bottom left and pick the address from the ( Received Dropdown Menu )
3. Click generate

If you have send a MoonWord:

1. Go to the MoonWord Tab
2. Look at the Bottom left and pick the address from the ( Sent Dropdown Menu )
3. Click generate

Kind regard,
ChekaZ

I will test it. However, it's a good news.

Excellent work!  I will also btest this first version this weekend, everyone can suggest other implementations or adjustments.    
Thanks ChecaZ

December, 2019

Hi for all Moon Bros, we all know that Smartlikes is Mooncoin big 'secret weapon'. Currencies like LBRY are way ahead of youtube monetization via LBRY (+ LBRY platform) I think a good idea for the people behind Smartlikes to try to pull good ideas from similar projects that are flowing solidly. I told a few months ago that several crypto projects would be close to delivering everything Smartlikes promised, I see several projects delivering products identical to the initial Smartlikes proposal in the year 2020. Anyway, just wanted to explain this, Smartlikes leaves early this year. 2020 or if released after iso is at great risk of being just a copy of something that already exists. BTC and ETH has already given an example of how pioneering is important in cryptosphere. Merry Christmas and New Year for all Moon Bros.

Happy New Year, Mooncoin Community!

Thanks for MOON at Folgory exchange, thanks to small exchanges for listing MOON,
any feedback about Folgory and Thecoin.pw will be appreciated,
and special thanks to ChekaZ for his work, MoonWord, written from scratch in 2019.
SmartLikes will come in 2020 and they too will be absolutely new solution, not copy-paste of any existing tech.


From these posts you can see that ChekaZ started to work in September, 2019,  it was transparently announced and supported by community members, in November and December of 2019 there was  MoonWord release, positive reaction of community, no one was against it, there was a request for SmartLikes.

Edit:
there were so many false accusations and untrue statements during last pages of this thread, that it would take a lot of time to answer them all with providing each time a proof that they are false.  Not to bring that all to a new thread, I will just edit this post, when I have time, in a neutral way, without unconfirmed statements, just with facts, proven  with citations.

First of all, it was not me who started Mooncoin. The Mooncoin project was announced first by deaconboogie on Dec, 28, 2013 and here is an original ANN thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=389403.0.
I am not a tech dev, I am not able to code in C,C+ and can read and understand the code only to a degree, after explanation. I was trying in the past to compile a wallet, but I don't know how to do it with no issues, basically I can say that I am not able to compile a wallet,I never was given any Mooncoin Github credentials, never coded, never released Mooncoin wallets at Github. I am not a miner, never mined even 1 Mooncoin, I am not familiar and not affiliated with admins of mining pools, exchanges, online wallets, block explorers.

The original Mooncoin code was audited in 2014-2015 by Titan, a dev of Luckycoin, after Dec, 2014 thefts. He did not find security issues in the code. Mooncoin was quite famous in 2014-2015, many tech persons kept an eye on it, no one reported security issues.

When the community asked to start a new Mooncoin thread (the original ANN thread contained outdated info after an original dev left), my understanding was that Mooncoin code was secure (there was some concern about compiled binaries from original dev, that is why walletbuilders were asked to compile new binaries without any change of original code).
I always was asking Mooncoin devs to check it for security again and again.
Recently there was a hint from mebagger2 that there were instructions to compile 0.13.9 wallet without auditing its code.
From my PMs to mebagger2 (sent to his previous account mebagger in Nov, 2017):

I'm not a coder unfortunately, just an investor.
Are you able to analyze the code to find possible vulnerabilities if any?

Can you please answer some questions:
1) are you able to implement direct mining from the wallet with one click, for average users which are not familiar with linux and rpc?
2) warp sync - can it have potential vulnerabilities, if not, why didn't Satoshi implement this simple solution to sync faster?
3) are you sure there are no known vulnerabilities in the new code?

can you please cite all Mooncoin addresses which are unspendable in the new release, and the part of the code?
Thank you!

Vassilis was also asked to make an audit.
From my PM to polemarhos888:
Hello,
yesterday I've sent a PM to Vasillis, to help with analyzing of barry's new release for possible vulnerabilities.

From my PM to Vassilis suggesting  that he had to  collaborate with Mebagger:
 
you can contact this user https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=368852 to discuss tech details about new wallet with him, if you have questions.

Does it mean I am saying that Mebagger built 0.13.9? No, the point is that 0.13.9 was a community thing, not only a dev thing. Someone found Vassilis, some members helped him with issues, someone was auditing the code, other people donated money to Vassilis. Not to blame Vassilis, either, but it is not fair to blame non tech members who donate money to devs and teams that they are responsible for their code after that.  
The fork went really well. I'd love to take credit for that but I can't. James and Vas did a great job putting together a solid software update. We've been observed the hash rate fluctuating since the fork and the blocks are much more consistent than before even when large pools went into maintenance and significant hash power was lost.

In 2016 a dev barrysty1e came on his own initiative (he definitely was not just a contractor like walletbuilders, but he really asked for donations from the community). He did a lot for Mooncoin, suggested and implemented some features (fast sync, Balloon hash, MoonRush, Moon SPV) on his own initiative,  he was communicating at Bitcointalk and at Discord, was instructed by community members from Bitcointalk and Discord (I communicated with barrysty1e and connected him to community members who wanted to donate him, the same was when I communicated with Vassilis, a dev who came later again not just to compile a wallet or to code the feature, but as a new responsible Mooncoin dev to stay with Mooncoin over long term).
Everything was done with the consensus of community, and notonly with consensus, it was with full 100% or 99% consensus (only one person sometimes did not agree with some things, and Discord community members did not agree with Blue Moon logo, that is why barrysty1e used their own Mooncoin logo in the wallet release, though Bitcointalk community liked more Blue Moon logo, also I personally asked him to implement SmartLikes, but devs worked not on my individual instructions, otherwise SmartLikes could be implemented much earlier, at least in 2017). Though Vassilis really said he was going to implement SL in the future.
I was waiting and hoped that finally SL would be implemented. It was very interesting for me to see how this tech would work. When finally it was implemented by ChekaZ and Peter Bushnell in 2020! after many years and during all these years community members were asking for that, I was accused that it was done to compete with MooncoinCore team, and/or with other bad intentions. While during all these years I never stated that I was a leader, and my understanding always was that Mooncoin was and had to be community-driven with equal opportunities for all supporters, without any center.

Barrysty1e sometimes was blamed for his protection against move of stolen coins which did not work, however, if there were no protection at all, the situation would be the same in 2018, the problem was that coins were moved, if there were no protection, they would be moved as well, the situation would be just the same. The code was open source and any tech person could read it and suggest how to improve the protection, there were no suggestions. We believed it worked. However, the fact that the protection did not work and that on Jan, 2018 coins were moved to the address of Vassilis, which he transparently posted in his signature at Bitcointalk led to accusations and suspicions. Let's imagine there were no protection at all and coins were moved. There would be accusations as well obviously. So, the problem was not the protection itself, but the fact that these coins exist, that there is big quantity and that if they are removed from supply, it will be good for Mooncoin. My understanding is that rightful owners of these coins agreed to remove them out of supply (by the way, a major owner of these coins who agreed to lose them for the sake of community - agswinner was accused for his decision - that' he decides things').

It is possible to remove coins out of supply whether with coin lock (freeze, protection against unauthorised move which is not irreversible and can be removed with community decision in the future) or with coin burn (destroying the coins). Though initially, in 2018 I thought that coin burn would be better, now I don't support this idea until there is 100% warranty that there would not be any risks with it. Coin burn without a private key is a dangerous precedent, it can be safe technically, but it's not great for perception of blockchain, it affects the entire idea of blockchain.
A better solution probably could be coin lock. BTW, it was done in 0.18.1, with no luck, due to difference in consensus rules with 0.17 (which was released after 0.18) and due to an issue with locked transactions, derived from 0.13.9. Moreover, if even minor part of community does not agree with that, it is not a proper solution, things like coin lock require 100% consensus obviously or there could be accusations like it happened with 0.18.1. I confirm that I never sent to ANY dev OUTPUTS, INPUTS, TRANSACTIONS to lock, never knew and still don't know Michi's address. You never informed me about critical vulnerability in Mooncoin wallet before I told you at the beginning of Feb, 2020 that ChekaZ  discovered it. Even when he released an optional wallet with MoonWord, based on 0.13.9, in Nov, 2019, no one warned that the 0.13 codebase (which was in use since 2017) was insecure. You may want to prove the opposite with a screenshot of messages, or remove false statements.

There was a request about transparency, here is chronology of events 2017-2020:

November-December, 2017
Barrysty1e is not active after completing like he promised Mooncoin wallet with Balloon hash instead of Scrypt. The wallet was not ideal though.

After polemarhos888 found a new dev, Vassilis, Vassilis created a new MooncoinCore Github to develop Mooncoin, mebagger2 advisedto use Scrypt instead of Balloon, that was inspired by him earlier and pre-announced by him when the new 0.13.9 release was ready.
If we did fork this coin for an algo change. I propose we keep scrpyt and add sha256 to make a multi algo coin. I don't think it's absolutely necessary but to change the algo. But if we did make that change it would allow mooncoin to continue trading in it's largest markets on the lightning network, BTC/MOON, LTC/MOON, DOGE/MOON.

This is also another reason why we should not change our algo for an obscure algo like ballonhash.

Please use the new released version 0.13.9 https://github.com/mooncoincore/wallet/releases/tag/0.13.9-segwit.

I did help connect Vassilis with the community (however, Vassilis was 'my' or 'our'  dev not more than Mich i or Mebagger) and it was one of the best periods in Mooncoin history when a dev and Mooncoin community  worked together.

There were issues with 0.13.9 and Vassilis worked to fix them, with help of community members:

I just fixed today the pool mining section and the transaction issues..

we passed "key" block #1180751 with 73(?!?!?!!??!) transactions! Few more tests and tomorrow i will inform all the pools to make an update!

I must thank public @mebagger, @coinflow, @GBLASS and @Laidback!
you guys spent your time with me and your resources!

Thank you for your contribution to the Mooncoin community!

Jan, 5, 2018, there was a tragic day in Mooncoin history,
62B were sent to Vassillis to the address he posted at Bitcointalk, protection did not stop it. There is a detailed research:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733963.msg38039860#msg38039860
Coins from 'locked' addresses were movedto other addressesfor the first time on March, 3 - in 2017, months before Vassilis came as a dev. Now we know that barrysty1e's protection was not in the consensus rules.

The community voted to burn these coins, I also believed that coins had to be burned and suggested that coins had whether to be sent to a burn address, or to stay on their address (even if Vassilis would send coins to authorities, there could be a panic that coins were moved, also taking into account possible PC security issues, a safer solution in that case would be to move a hard disk with coins, and not coins from one address to another, to do it without even opening and syncing the wallet) some people talked about legal issues with coin burn, Vassillis decided to consult with lawyers what to do with coins and to burn no coins until he is sure there will be no legal issues and to leave Bitcointalk and development. I was never informed that anyone, except Vassilis, got an access to these coins, physical or non-physical.
After leaving development, months later, Vassillis gave MooncoinCore Github credentials to polemarhos888, a Mooncoin volunteer and investor, who found Vassillis before, and on June 7, 2018 polemarhos888 informed me via PM that he had sent these credentials of MooncoinCore Github to Mebagger.

I am pleased to announce that I will be working with the new Mooncoin team replacing Vas to maintain and deliver new features in the mooncoin core wallet (https://github.com/mooncoincore/wallet).

On Jun, 11, 2018 I have sent to mebagger2 through PM a detailed description of SmartLikes technology to implement it.

On April, 9, 2019 ChekaZ  spoke to me for the first time and asked if we would like to implement Mooncoin integration into coinkit.de.  

From my PM to mebagger2 on Jun, 10, 2019,  after I was told about possible move of Mooncoin to Proof-of-Stake algo:
Thank you for your reply.

About change to PoS - in my opinion, would be better first to discuss it with the community, as for me personally - don't support it, in my opinion better would be to raise network hashrate with interesting projects

On September, 6, 2019 I asked Mebagger if he planned any release in 2019.
Maybe you know why CE doesn't enable their MOON wallet? Have they lost coins again and if yes, how many?
And do you plan to make any MOON release in 2019?
Received no answer and ChekaZ was asked to build an optional (not fork) wallet with MoonWord functionality.

After the serious vulnerability was discovered and reported by ChekaZ, it required a security fix and update at pools and exchanges immediately.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733963.msg53878855#msg53878855 (ChekaZ, CoinKit Founder)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733963.msg53882057#msg53882057 (Peter Bushnell, Feathercoin founder explains)

From my PMs to ChekaZ regarding mebagger2:

It is important to have him on board. You can tell him that the frozen address feature requires a fork for better protection. Even that is enough argument for the fork.

I suggest first to receive kind of green light from him, and only then post a Github link in the ANN and start to contact services to update. It is important to avoid the split in the community

ChekaZ and Mebagger2 discussed things, however, ChekaZ told me that he did not see 0.17 release and did not know what was in it exactly, and that Mebagger was not qualified and that Mebagger suggested an unsafe solution, with chain split and that we had to fix vulnerability fast with a solution from Peter Bushnell  with the fork block.

From my PMs to mebagger2 regarding coin LOCK and release of  0.18.1

It is possible to freeze coins if the owner of address will not organise 51 attack to hack the protection.

I also clearly stated to Mebagger, that it is not about any competition, and only about fix of vulnerability and adding other features, requested by the community earlier. Why I did not contact Michi, my understanding was that she was involved with Dogecoin and simply had no time to code Mooncoin wallet, that Mebagger is the only relevant person, responsible for Mooncoin Github and coding since 2018 (though nothing was released then after 0.13.9 by Vassilis), anyway. Logically, if Michi was involved, she would know from Mebagger about so important collaboration.

After this update you will continue, and I will be calm and will not focus on wallet updates.

We can discuss all points to reach consensus. You are not only part of Taranis new team, but also part of this community since 2014.

Though ChekaZ told me that we had to avoid disclosuring it to anyone before the update, I believe that we have to disclosure it to you, at least to avoid misunderstanding and possible disagreement regarding the fork.
Several days ago ChekaZ told me that he found a very serious vulnerability in the code, related to [removed ]. He explained it to me and it is so serious that without the fork the risk is absolute.  It is needed to restore block validation with the hard fork. I told him that it would be better to collaborate with you and you began to communicate regarding the update.
However, there is a big problem. If we announce this vulnerability, bad guys could use that before the hard fork block height. Even when services update their clients, it can be some leak of info.
To avoid that we can just try to drive no attention to the fact that this vulnerability will be fixed in the new release, and simply announce that we move to a safer 0.18 (it was well tested with Bitcoin network) and with SL feature (we just have no moral right to delay it further, the community waits for it since 2017 and this feature will help increase network hashrate, also it is good timing, not to update twice). Thus, all attention will be focused on Likes and it will be clear for services why we update. One more feature which is present in ChekaZ release, the 1st address will be frozen, I understand that this solution is not 100%, but it is better than nothing. Also if you have another, more effective solution how to remove these coins out of supply (while burn looks unreal), we can certainly use your solution.

That is the situation and the most dangerous thing is leak of info regarding the vulnerability, also we have to reach consensus to avoid split of community regarding the fork, and we have to update quite fast to reduce risks. ChekaZ is fully responsible for the release and there will be his warranty that it will be proper hardfork technically and that the vulnerability will be completely fixed. The 2nd set of eyes (your audit) will also help, and likely we will understand better each other now and will be able to solve this issue in the best way.

Why I was saying to Mebagger only about the 1st address to freeze, and didn't mention 2 other addresses from Dec, 2014 thefts? It is important to understand and it can be verified that those 2 addresses were locked in 0.10.5 and in 0.13.9, which was a current version then, I was sure it  was known, these 2 adrresses were already locked years ago and there was nothing to discuss,  while the 1st address with 62B was in question.

Why I was saying to Mebagger that coin burn looks unreal, my understanding was that there was no tech possibility to burn coins with no private key, I asked Mebagger about it before, received no answer, even if it's possible to do it safe technically (it's uncommon thing), anyway it's obvious it's extremely bad for perception of blockchain. To say nothing of possible legal risks, reported by some supporters, it is necessary to consult with lawyers first, if you are involved with coin burn.

Do you agree with 13 Feb hard fork height? 10 days from now.
If we come with no discord about the fork, it looks it will be enough time to update clients. There are about 15 services, including exchanges, pools, block explorers and online wallets.  ChekaZ agreed to contact them, and many services know him well, so there will be no problem, especially if you also support the update. I can announce it in next 1-2 days after you will have a look at the code. Only my worry that ChekaZ will not fork your code because he told me that he should be fully sure in the code to take responsibility for it and he will need too much time to audit and rewrite everything onto your codebase. We can trust him at least because he reported vulnerability to us and did not use it. And we must act fast.  Maybe you will just audit his code and focus his attention on something important if it needs to be added, and after that we begin to update and he takes full responsibility for the fork?

I told ChekaZ to make stress tests, of course, he already tested everything on the testnet, but you are right, it should be done very carefully, not in a hurry. So he will work additionally until Thursday when you will return, and then you will be able to audit his code.  
Yes, we agree that services must update first. However, services will look for kind of announcement to confirm that this update is legitimate, also our community, users have to be ready to update their clients to avoid issues with their transactions. I suggest that we dont mention security issues at all,  anywhere, but announce it as 0.18 with SL, and first announce the news itself, and only after services update, announce the links to the client.  Users will have not much time to update before the hard fork block, and we should tell them in advance about mandatory update.

Does Taranis know about the vulnerability? Would there be any discord from his side, or he understands the situation?
This was not answered, Mebagger stopped answering to me, the fork block was moved to Feb, 22 from Feb, 17, ChekaZ recompiled Mac, Windows, Linux binaries with a new fork block, after that we could not delay any longer the vulnerability fix. Moreover, ChekaZ told me that Mebagger did not understand the problem, that he suggested a solution which could be dangerous for Mooncoin chain.
However, much later after the release of 0.17 (by MooncoinCore team) ChekaZ told me that Peter Bushnell reviewed the 0.17 code and it's okay. From their side, MooncoinCore team told that 0.18 is insecure, that it restored validation, but did not restore historical validation which is important for blocks before the fork block. From comments of ChekaZ and Peter (Feathercoin founder) everything was explained:

1. Real vulnerability was lack of validation, historical validation related to blocks before the fork block was not so dangerous, and could be restored without a new fork  and with no difference in consensus rules, just with one more update which they planned to do, but only after the update to 0.18 and AFTER the fork block to avoid the situation with split of chain with 0.13.9, a previous version, which had this vulnerability and was present at exchanges and pools since 2018 (adding historical validation feature immediately and not after the fork block would cause a split of chain).

2. 0.17 was released after 0.18, but about 3 days before the fork block of 0.18 (which happened on Feb,22).
0.17 did not implement any fork block.  Due to that and due to invalid blocks, 0.17 instantly forked, creating a separate chain away from 0.13 and 0.18.  That happened before 0.18 got majority of hashrate at pools.
They released Version 0.17.1 and it instantly forked due to introducing new consensus rules without doing so via a set block height. There is no 51% attack ongoing, the chain just split cause of their 0.17.1 release as it declines all 0.13 and 0.18 nodes.
We want a single chain after all the dust has settled, 0.17 has already broken consensus with 0.13, which is why you do not restore consensus breaking validation without doing so at a set height so everyone can upgrade in good time.

3. It was important to be on one chain and get more chainwork to be sure that 0.13.9 with vulnerability is no longer main version, but at the same time follows a main chain. Pools and exchanges updated to 0.18 before launch of 0.17. It was recommended to mine 0.18 and not old 0.13, to move hashpower from the insecure 0.13 version to 0.18.
Greetings all.   Altilly is currently running on v18 as the v17 consensus had some issues.    At this time it seems v18 is the most stable chain.

4. Then, on March, 1 - 0.17 supporters used about 1,000 Ghs to mine 0.17,
https://i.imgur.com/uJVhR8i_d.jpg?maxwidth=5000
As how it looks of now, the developers of 0.17 mined alone on the " mebagger.webhop.net" pool, rented hashrate and tried to over-mine the pools/miners on 0.18 - They've rented up to 1TH/s to be the chain with the most chainwork and did a chain-reorg ( invalidated the last 10k~ blocks ).
as a result 0.13.9 joined 0.17, but due to that 0.18 was left alone on a separate chain, because it had coin lock (frozen address feature) in the consensus, while 0.17 removed all protection (they told they were going to burn coins later, and accused that frozen address feature was implemented with bad intentions, but if they would make a new wallet with coin burn, they could easily remove frozen address feature in the new wallet, so what's the point? 0.18 only tried to add additional, though not 100% protection, while 0.17 does not have protection against unauthorised move of coins at all).

5. It turned out that 0.18 had an issue with locked transactions, derived from 0.13.9, it could be fixed with the fork, and historical validation could be added as well, like it was planned, however, one more fork would not be a good solution, especially in the atmosphere of misunderstanding, suspicions and accusations. Also followers of 0.17 could lose their coins by using a wallet on a separate chain.
To avoid split of community and mess with separate chains .17 was chosen:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733963.msg54050237#msg54050237
However, both 0.17 and 0.18 were not ideally presented.

During 2 years after Mebagger came as a dev, we all were waiting for him and were thinking that there was ongoing  development. And after 2 years why not listen to experts, if  ChekaZ and Peter Bushnell were happy to assist.
To be fair, Mebagger was answering my messages and questions, especially before 2019 as I can see now from my PM history when doing the research. I don't know what exactly happened between him and ChekaZ, looks like it was a conflict due to disagreement about how to better fix the vulnerability.
I tried to work with the old devs, but they refused at some point and said that they were working for such a long time now on the 0.17 release.

I did share the codebase ( 0.18.1.L ) beforehand with them, they could review it and leave comments/suggestions. They on their end, never shared the 0.17 code. As they stopped answering DMs, we decided to move ahead, lay out the plans and plan the fork accordingly.

ChekaZ gave to Mebagger an opportunity to audit the code before the release (here is a proof, provided by ChekaZ: https://i.imgur.com/Dt9pCNF_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium ), my understanding is that the code is open source and even if it is in public repo, not private one, it can be audited, commited, all issues could be reported before the update of wallet at pools and exchanges.
However, there was no answering, no reaction after Feb, 6, then, when pools and exchanges updated to 0.18 as it was not too much time left to the fork block (which was expected on Feb, 22), on Feb, 19, the 0.17 was released and after that all this flow of false accusations started, not only against me, and that had to be answered.

What did we do? We fixed the issue fully without announcing it until the fixed version was on a mining pool. What did you do? Announce the security issue and not fix it in a competing version and pushed it on mining pools and exchanges. I don't know why you did this reckless action but I did request that you build your new features on our base.
You did ask to build features on top of 0.17, but it was before I told you that ChekaZ found the vulnerability. ChekaZ told  you did not show the 0.17 code to him before the release.  There was no proof (except talks  and empty promises since 2018) that the 0.17 release was almost ready.
Now 1-2 days before the HardFork takes place, the old devs release a Version without ANY commit history. The Repository has 20 commits, the commits aren't labeld or easily reviewable. Changes werent commited properly, so the commits are just a cluster of old and new code.

Now the 0.17 version does  introduces new consensus rules, the problem is they didnt do it via a set block height, which you would normally do if you introduce something new regarding the consensus ( HardFork ). - The Problem here is that the 0.17 version instantly refuses the 0.13 & 0.18 clients which lead to a split of the Blockchain.

In your PM on Feb, 3 you said that as long as the vulnerability is fixed you're 'totally in agreement' with us, and in your PM from Feb, 4 you agreed with a hard fork 'to push older clients off the network', and even advised how to present 0.18 version:
My personally if the code is right I wouldn't make a general announcement of the new release. I would get the exchanges and miners upgraded first as much of the security updates would not required a fork block to take effect. But a fork block would help push older clients off the network and make the changes more clear. So in short more than a day of review is probably needed.

Maybe that is the point of different understanding of situation:
So as the problem was there from the start and for years and years no one 'mine the total supply of MOON with low difficulty', why would that suddenly change?
ChekaZ informed me in Jan, 2020 about the vulnerability and that it was there for years, and luckily there was no attack, but if you know about it and how dangerous it is, the only way is to fix it immediately, if we care about people, about the project. No other way.
You did not inform me about the vulnerability when you discovered it in 2019 or earlier, and did not fix it before 2020.
And in 2020 after Chekaz reported it, at least several persons knew about it, and there was no 100% privacy of communication. Any delay with the release would not be good. The vulnerability was fixed in 0.18 according to 2 -step solution (to avoid split of chain) from Peter Bushnell and ChekaZ before updating at pools and exchanges.
My understanding is that you did not like the fact that those experts (they were independent experts, the solution was suggested, designed and implemented by them  without any advice from us) did not approve your solution which you discussed with ChekaZ, and that you wanted to deliver finally your wallet, no matter with the split of chain or not, while Taranis (as it looked from his posts in March) thought in terms of competition
and  did not accept that it would look like after 2 years his team did not provide a secure wallet, while another dev (ChekaZ) did it. Meanwhile we were waiting for your 'green light' for 0.18.
On Feb, 9 you received the 0.18 code for review from ChekaZ (https://i.imgur.com/Dt9pCNF_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium), you were informed about its main features in advance though.
Finally after several days of no collaboration from you (it looked like the irrational delay was not due to your review, but due to disagreement from Taranis who didn't understand all risks of vulnerability and risk  of chain split with your solution, though ChekaZ said he tried to explain that to him before the release,
finally we decided to make a step, there was an upcoming fork block, the vulnerability had to be fixed immediately and with a safe solution, recommended and provided by the experts. The 2-step solution (1st step, restoring validation with the fork block to let people safely update, 2nd step restoring historical validation without split of chain) turned out to be an ideal target for accusations, as soon as the 1st step is done it is so easy and effective to accuse that the version is 'insecure', 'incomplete', while another version is fully secure (with a split of chain though).
I know .18 is insecure. There is a secure release available .17.
You understood that we were going to fix the vulnerability asap and that there was upcoming fork block in the code (ChekaZ even changed it, waiting for you and recompiled all binaries, including Mac, Linux), but to avoid a leak of information about the vulnerability it would not be a good decision to delay the release and change the fork block again and again.
What could you do if you didn't agree with the version: to inform me about your concerns, to send a list of issues to me or to ChekaZ, to post at Bitcointalk your disagreement after posts from ChekaZ and me about the upcoming release (those posts did not announce vulnerability), to agree with experts, with their  2-step solution. What you did: you stopped communicating with me after my question:
Does Taranis know about the vulnerability? Would there be any discord from his side, or he understands the situation?
and only on Feb, 19 you suddenly released 0.17, after 0.18 was adopted by pools, and just as experts warned, your solution without setting a fork block height, without 2 steps led to the split of chain and mess. And after that  0.18 was accused of the mess.  
Another accusation was that SmartLikes was implemented with monetary interests.
Community members had been asking and waiting for SL since 2017 or even earlier very actively, with numerous posts. And the entire idea of technology is 'likes'-based system, Mooncoin for Mooncoin, which is rather non-monetary as it could work even if Mooncoin would have no markets at all.
Dogecoin and Elon Musk won't care about Mooncoin.
The project has to create its own value and not hope for someone else, rich and famous.
I don't see another way to defend ideas of SL and the truth, now I must stop my support for SmartLikes, until accusations of 'monetary' interests are deleted and until the community confirms that SmartLikes is implemented on request of the entire community.

For more information please read this post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1733963.msg53974582#msg53974582

Competing teams is a myth, there never was a Bitcointalk team, there is Bitcointalk community, not team.
The absurdity of idea that it was about 'competition', all know that we always were saying 'You are welcome' to devs and teams who were going to develop Mooncoin, added information about them to Bitcointalk topic (try it with another famous coin, and you'll see the difference) though when devs did not care about the project for long time and there were serious risks for users, exchange, pools, there was no choice.
It was necessary to fix vulnerability asap, after all, it is fixed now. That could be done in a much better way, if there were more communicating and less suspicions and accusations.  
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 built in 2013 with future in mind on: March 28, 2020, 11:20:55 AM
I was thinking about some accusations, that there were 'individual instructions' and not the consensus thing. Anyway, when a dev codes a wallet, he does it whether after his own decision, whether after receiving instructions from other members. Instructions can be public, made by different community members via posting at forum, or instructions can be sent via PM, by a member who is a 'bridge' between the community and a dev.  However, if the community agrees with something, asks for it, waits for it, if it is evident for everyone that something is good for the entire community, is it correct to say about 'individual instructions', even if finally these instructions were sent to a dev in a PM by one person who connected a dev and the community?
Another accusation was that things should not be voted at forum, but should be presented to miners via miners or users activated fork. Maybe it works for big coins like DOGE, LTC or BTC. But if there are about 50-80 nodes like in Mooncoin network and we understand that miners mine a coin mostly to sell it at exchanges and are not very well informed about a situation with Mooncoin, and one user can run easily 10 nodes, can we say that miners or users activated fork means community consensus and fair voting exactly in this case?
It worked in this way: community members were asked via posts in the thread and via PM about their decision and a dev was informed, or a dev asked other members by himself, via posting or via PM, some devs communicated also at Discord and got instructions from Discord community members. If even minority of members don't agree with something, for me it is always a sign that something is wrong. However, if I remember correct, until the last events, the only disagreement in the community about what to implement was about Mooncoin logo.
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 built in 2013 with future in mind on: March 28, 2020, 10:00:51 AM
Hi Mooncoin!

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We are missing you there Smiley



I received this note, if it matters.

“ Hi there,

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Maybe their project is good, but it's said it is about 'crypto-businesses', while Mooncoin never was a 'crypto business'.
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 built in 2013 with future in mind on: March 24, 2020, 08:46:28 AM
Itis highly recommended to backup your wallet regularly, and especially before every update.
Keep your wallet.dat copy offline. You can rename it like wallet-current-date-wallet-version.dat
Look for your wallet.dat file in    C:\Users\YourUserName\Appdata\Roaming\Mooncoin
or in C:\Documents and Settings\YourUserName\Application data\Mooncoin (Windows XP),
if you don't see the dir with wallet.dat on your PC, then switch on 'show hidden files' in your PC settings.
Your wallet.dat file = your coins, if you lose it or overwrite, you'll be not able to get an access to your coins.
The updateto a new version is 2 steps: saving your wallet.dat and running a new version, in some cases you may have to resync a new wallet.
                                                
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 built in 2013 with future in mind on: March 24, 2020, 07:58:33 AM
Reminder:
don't use 0.13.9 wallet!
Looks like everyone agreed that it had a security issue, very serious vulnerability with block validation.
It was not recommended to use 0.17.1 before, that does not mean it's insecure itself. Only devs and experts can review the code and can say if it is secure or not. Currently  no dev/expert/coder said that 0.17.1 is insecure.
Why it was not recommended to use 0.17.1 before? Even if the wallet (the code) itself is secure, it could be insecure to use a wallet, if it is on a separate chain, when coins go nowhere, let's say you send coins from a wallet which is on one chain, and exchanges are on another chain, your coins will not come to exchanges in this case.
It is important to have all pools, exchanges, services and users on the same chain. It is important to avoid split of chain/community.
Now we move to one chain, it is necessary to stop using other wallets and update your wallet to 0.17.1.
10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 built in 2013 with future in mind on: March 20, 2020, 09:51:37 AM
Cryptoid.info block explorer is on 0.17.1 now.




11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 built in 2013 with future in mind on: March 18, 2020, 07:56:00 AM
After  the entire situation was reviewed and discussed with community members, devs and independent experts, the conclusion is that the only way for Mooncoin now is update to 0.17.

When 0.18 update was announced and released, there was no certainty about what 0.17 release will contain and will it be secure or not. There was no information that there would be separate chains after the release of 0.18 and 0.17.
Moreover, MooncoinCore devs now confirmed that they are active and really want to continue Mooncoin development, what is also important they took responsibility for the 0.17 code and published it at https://github.com/mooncoincore/wallet/releases.
It took almost 2 years comparing to about 2 days (barrysty1e), however it gives hope that the release was prepared carefully. No one yet said that 0.17 release was insecure.
Why not use 0.18.1? It is not compatible with 0.17, which  was released after 0.18.1
0.18.1 was released when there was lack of information and it was necessary to fix the security issue ASAP.

0.17 and 0.18 have different consensus agreements implemented, 0.17 overtook the 0.13.9 & 0.18.1 chainwork so that 0.13.9 now follows 0.17. It is easier for everyone to update to 0.17 and unify the chains that way.


After that the 0.18 wallet can be developed to be compatible with 0.17 and to be an optional wallet. The community will have to come to the consensus what should be in next versions of Mooncoin, and looks like everyone agrees that there must not be different directions of development, different wallets must remain  on one chain, with the same consensus rules, or it would be just chaos.

How to update? First, as usually, you save your wallet.dat file offline.
If you know how it works, you can also export your private keys and keep them in a safe place, offline.
Then you run 0.17 version from https://github.com/mooncoincore/wallet/releases.
Please don't use 0.18.1 wallet any longer! It has to be developed first, to be compatible with 0.17.
Please don't move coins until we are on one chain again, or it can lead to losses.

There are different chains now, and any delay with update to 0.17 would lead to additional losses.
There were no big movements of coins after the block 1'801'000 and Altilly, a primary exchange for Mooncoin keeps the wallet in maintenance with deposits and withdrawals disabled.
To miners of 0.18:  please report your losses of MOON related to the update from 0.18 to 0.17, how many MOON you lost and your Mooncoin address for compensation, please report it to agswinner or to me.

12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 mandatory update to 0.18.1 on: March 07, 2020, 12:22:51 PM
Thank you for the information.
My vote is that we have to move to one chain, a new one with consensus rules which are accepted by the entire community, any disagreement with consensus rules means a separate chain.
After that there will be enough pages in this ANN thread for accusations, if there are any which were not already presented.


13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 mandatory update to 0.18.1 on: March 06, 2020, 11:51:26 AM
Ok, I will prove that I am not a boss and that I am not personally interested.
My suggestion to the community:
to invite an independent dev, not ChekaZ , not MooncoinCore devs.
This dev had to be experienced, responsible, trusted, and with respect to decentralisation,
with respect to Mooncoin history and looking into the future,
and not affiliated with current devs, and not affiliated with agswinner and me.

He will start his own Bitcointalk ANN thread, Telegram channel and will unite the community.
I will not participate in important questions when I see that Mooncoin development is in trusted hands, and Mooncoin will remain decentralised with volunteers.
There will be another Bitcointalk ANN thread, and I will be just a topic starter of inactive thread obviously.

Of course, I am still responsible, if coins of normal members were locked by mistake in 0.18, but it had to be proved with research. No one, except Michi, reported it before, or show me a post. After the research and comments from ChekaZ we will know the truth.
14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 mandatory update to 0.18.1 on: March 06, 2020, 11:01:27 AM
Could you show a post with an announcement of 0.17 at Bitcointalk?
Link to Github?
If you say that the project is open source regarding MooncoinCore  Github,
are you fine with working at MooncoinCommunity Github? It is also open source.

Also it is not so simple like you explain. First of all, agswinner and me contacted mebagger2 many times during these 2 years. He rarely answered though.

What is more important, you knew about the vulnerability for months. You did not fix it.
With this vulnerability someone COULD suddenly come and mine the total supply of MOON with low difficulty,
do you realize? Anyone, if you would be informed about the vulnerability,
what would you do? Obviously, fix and update immediately.
However, if you actually don't care about the project itself, you are okay with it. Let someone come and mine all billions. We just will accuse others for that and will make a swap to a new chain? No, this approach is unprecedented. If it would be just a mistake, or a normal delay, I would never speak about it.
Edit: another situation, 0.18 released, like you it or not, why release 0.17 after that, and make another chain? Again the same approach.
You believe it is unsecure? Come and fix it. Why make another chain after launch of 0.18? If everything is open source?
It is the approach, the project risks very much. That is the point.
15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 mandatory update to 0.18.1 on: March 06, 2020, 10:10:30 AM
I already explained about Foundation many times. There is a disclosure in the OP for years.
However, it looks like I am not alone here.
Why do you accuse even without a research? Michi explained already, that transactions, not addresses could be locked in the wallet. It is a technical question, to lock 3 addresses, a dev deals with transactions of these addresses.

Do you deny, that MooncoinCore Github is under control of MooncoinCore team?
16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 mandatory update to 0.18.1 on: March 06, 2020, 09:22:24 AM
Edit:
SmartLikes could move Mooncoin to top coins over long term, would raise network hashrate significantly.
However, Michi said against it, Mebagger did not implement it (a detailed description of SL algo was sent to him in my PM on Jun, 11, 2018).
You don't understand it. For you it is just a 'feature'.
I was thinking on it during several years, beginning from the idea of ML ('Moonlite'). That was a dream that it could replace monetary interests with non-monetary,'likes'-based, Mooncoin for Mooncoin, even if there are no active markets at exchanges. Look at Mooncoin markets, now after 2 years of stagnation it's good if there is $100 volume per day. Which 'pump signal', or 'monetary interests' like you accused? To earn $1,000?
And it is a new tech, and of course theoretically there can be some issues with that, it's normal for something new. With a normal approach, that all could be developed and fixed.
It was implemented into the 0.18.1code by Peter Bushnell.
Not everyone can see its potential and how to use it in a proper way.
The community was waiting for the technology since 2017, there were numerous requests.

As for 12  billion from Dec, 2014 thefts, the consensus to lock these coins was much earlier than the consensus to lock 62b, in 2016. The thefts were significant, exchanges were informed about them, a dev  of Mooncoin in 2014 (peme) reported he had lost all his coins and left development after that, other known and trusted persons lost their coins, thefts affected their lives seriously. That would be extremely unfair to let a hacker to sell these coins and benefit at expense of victims. It was not just a 'whim' when people decided to block these coins when there was a chance in 2016. That indicated to hackers that the community would fight with them. There never was a consensus to unlock these coins, but they are unlocked in mebagger2's 0.17 release.

About Michi's locked transaction:


It was locked in 0.13.9 (which was based on barrysty1e's 0.13.3) and was released in 2017, before Michi came as a dev. Someone sent 1 Mooncoin to many addresses in this transaction. One of recepients was an address which was not legitimate. My understanding is that Mooncoin dev included this transaction (by mistake) when looking for
how to lock addresses with stolen funds, and some legitimate addresses could be affected.
No one instructed any dev to lock transactions, it'a tech question, a dev who codes finds a way how to freeze given addresses (reported by victims) technically. While the protection was in place, I asked available devs (including Mebagger) to review the code and no one reported that there was anything wrong with locked addresses.
However, the 0.13.9 code is open source and transparent, it is in MooncoinCore Github where mebagger2 released 0.17.
If MooncoinCore devs claim they are official and worked during 2 years, is it possible that they just did not read the 0.13.9 code and did not see which transactions/addresses were locked? If they did, then they knew about locked transactions, but then why accuse me that they were locked suddenly in a new 0.18 as a 'vindicative action' or as a 'whim'? It's all not about 'competition', it's about the truth. To discredit someone with false accusations is extremely unfair, and if it is just misunderstanding, why not correct your statements at least when the truth became evident? Accusations remain in the forum's history and people will read them  and think they are true if they don't have enough time for reading the whole story and making a research.


The new protection was based on the old 0.13.9 protection which can be seen here:

Here's the list in 0.13.

https://github.com/MooncoinCommunity/wallet/blob/0.13.9.1-segwit/src/main.cpp#L1160

New list in 0.18.

https://github.com/MooncoinCommunity/wallet/blob/0.18/src/validation.cpp#L573

The list of blocked TXs based on the addresses given.



@mebagger2:
Didn't want to answer it, you posted it emotionally and I hoped you would just delete it,
that didn't happen,
not to leave false statements in the forum's history being not answered:

This is an outright lie. Nuff said.
Also the addresses & code got sent to Mebagger, he reviewed it before the code was published & didnt have any comments on the blocked tx'es/addresses.
Here is a print screen, provided by ChekaZ:
https://i.imgur.com/Dt9pCNF_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Firstly, I thought our team was inclusive of all of us, Taranis67, agswinner, and the user mooncoin_foundation (By assuming Taranis67 communication was received through agswinner as neither Taranis67 nor user mooncoin_foundation would speak directly to the other. As the user mooncoin_foundation has a history of sending inflammatory private and or public messages to others (including me) and Taranis67 had his limit of them).
It's not true. In your PM sent to me on January 29, 2020 when I contacted you to collaborate with fix of vulnerability you asked me a question why I'm not in Marks (Taranis) team.
I still don't understand why you don't just join Marks team.

I never was part of any team. There is Bitcointalk community, there is no Bitcointalk team. Competing teams is a myth.

If you or Taranis quote even one my message, which is so inappropriate that could be mentioned as a real reason for not answering and not communicating, I will send all my mooncoins to your dev fund or to a burn address.

I thought we were moving forward not playing the blame game. I'm not blaming you for the 3 years in which you the user mooncoin_foundation were paying to have wallets released with these vulnerabilities (these issues are not specific to .13). The user mooncoin_foundation had six years to fix these issues and when our team was ready to fix these issues. The user mooncoin_foundation took action to delay our release so that he could release a wallet with the appearance of security while not actually having any.
It's not me who started the blame game.
You posted that I delayed your release, to compete or to release an insecure wallet?
By the way, I din't code and didn't release anything and didn't have an access to any Mooncoin Github.
Why would we just need you on board  at all, if we wanted to do that?
You really delayed the release first with asking for SL stress tests, then with irrational disagreement with the safe solution from blockchain expert Peter Bushnell, then just with not answering.  Taking into account that so serious vulnerability had to be fixed immediately.
I said to you:
After this update you will continue, and I will be calm and will not focus on wallet updates.
We can discuss all points to reach consensus. You are not only part of Taranis new team, but also part of this community since 2014.

You did not answer my message from Feb, 6:
Does Taranis know about the vulnerability? Would there be any discord from his side, or he understands the situation?
the fork block was moved to Feb, 22 from Feb, 17, ChekaZ recompiled Mac, Windows, Linux binaries with a new fork block, waiting for you, after that we could not delay any longer the vulnerability fix. No one from your team contacted me after this message and until the end of February when the flow of accusations came.
ChekaZ posted that you did not show your 0.17 code before the release, and you did not inform me about what it would contain. That is one of reasons why it was not possible to build anything on 0.17, another reason  was that you suggested unsafe solution to fix the vulnerability, with a split of chain.
I did share the codebase ( 0.18.1.L ) beforehand with them, they could review it and leave comments/suggestions. They on their end, never shared the 0.17 code. As they stopped answering DMs, we decided to move ahead, lay out the plans and plan the fork accordingly.

Most of the services were happy that they got notified and upgraded accordingly.

Now 1-2 days before the HardFork takes place, the old devs release a Version without ANY commit history. The Repository has 20 commits, the commits aren't labeld or easily reviewable. Changes werent commited properly, so the commits are just a cluster of old and new code.

Now the 0.17 version does  introduces new consensus rules, the problem is they didnt do it via a set block height, which you would normally do if you introduce something new regarding the consensus ( HardFork ). - The Problem here is that the 0.17 version instantly refuses the 0.13 & 0.18 clients which lead to a split of the Blockchain. So now there are 2 chains, the ( 0.13 + 0.18 Chain ) & the ( 0.17 ) Chain.

I did not know about the vulnerability before ChekaZ told me about it in late Jan, 2020
Also biggest issue:

( Security Flaw!!! )

ChekaZ started to work in September, 2019, on optional wallet, released MoonWord in November
MoonWord has been released under Version 0.13.9.1
started to work on SmartLikes, was posting updates at Bitcointalk and at other channels, he told even Telegram community initially was glad to have him on board. You did not inform  me about vulnerability, I didn't know about it before ChekaZ informed me, it's unfair to blame me for not fixing it before. Moreover, you know that you asked to make additional stress tests for Smart Likes and that delayed the release. The 0.18 release was not mine, it was prepared by ChekaZ and Peter Bushnell (who consulted hundreds of forks), I did not give instructions how to fix the vulnerability, it was their initiative that the vulnerability had to be fixed fast and with their 2 step solution, not to split the chain.
My understanding is that you did not like the fact that those experts did not approve your solution which you discussed with ChekaZ, and that you wanted to deliver finally your wallet, while Taranis thought in terms of 'competition' and  did not accept that it would look like your team after 2 years did not provide the secure wallet, while other devs did it. Meanwhile we were waiting for your 'green light' for 0.18.1
Finally after several days of silence from you we decided to make a step, the vulnerability had to be fixed immediately and with a safe solution, recommended by the expert.

I'll ask if he would be up for it. - I say again this is urgent and I dont think without a valid reason we should postpone that release.

I'll join their discord and try to talk with them today, if it doesnt get set today, we probably would need to increase the fork height as its getting tighter each day.

We dont know what their version includes. They didnt share code. -
Thats not true, their Version also requires a HardFork, they just didnt plan it. So if they release their version and not 100% of the network upgrades instantly, the network will just HardFork on its own. With out Version, we've set a HardFork Block, so 0.13.9 is supported UNTIL the HardFork block and will be rejected afterwards. Theirs is just super risky and will most likely leave a chainsplit, if not even kill the Mooncoin blockchain.

You say that 0.18 is insecure, but you understand that there is 2 step solution, not to split the chain.
I've also recommended to to Chekaz that historical validation be restored in the 0.18 release once validation has been restored, then 0.18 will be a fully validating release as it should be, this could not be done from the outset or consensus would break at some point as demonstrated by 0.17.
It was recommended by widely known and trusted expert Peter Bushnell, Feathercoin founder, normally anyone looking for collaboration would just agree with the expert, and if there are other minor issues, discovered by you, why not report them? The 2 step solution (1st step, restoring validation with the fork block to let people safely update, 2nd step restoring historical validation without split of chain) turned out to be ideal target for accusations, as soon as the 1st step is done it is so easy and effective to accuse that the version is 'insecure', 'incomplete', while another version is fully secure (with a split of chain though).
0.13 and 0.18 are on the same chain, 0.17 is forked.
It's unfair to accuse 0.18 of all this mess and discredit everyone who was involved with it in eyes of crypto community. If you wanted your 0.17 release, you could just discuss it with us, to show it to ChekaZ, transparently inform  what it will contain, announce it at Bitcointalk, everything could be solved via dialogue.
0.17 was on a separate chain before March, 1, when at your pool 100 times more than regular hashrate was used to make 0.17 a main chain, without this action the 0.17 would remain insecure, on a separate chain.
As how it looks of now, the developers of 0.17 mined alone on the " mebagger.webhop.net" pool, rented hashrate and tried to over-mine the pools/miners on 0.18 - They've rented up to 1TH/s to be the chain with the most chainwork and did a chain-reorg ( invalidated the last 10k~ blocks ).
https://i.imgur.com/uJVhR8i_d.jpg?maxwidth=5000

Because I got the impression from Agswinner that no one wanted the burn to happen until some legal issue is complete sometime this summer, I mean everything has been unlocked for two years and you all have had physical access to the wallet and nothing moved.
How could it be possible even in the theory that 'we all have had physical access to the wallet' of Vassilis? Do you realize that we live in different countries, don't know each other in real life? Only polemarhos met Vassilis in real life, how could we all get a physical access to the wallet in question, even if imagine that we all would live in the same town?

So I guess I was at lease in part the reason we are still using scrypt and not ballon hash. But I never claimed to have vetted all the code in that wallet. I didn't build that wallet. I didn't release that wallet. I did help Vas debug some issues he was working on by providing debug logs. I assumed that Vas was vetting the code, but I'm now willing to bet that the user mooncoin_foundation paid him and instructed him to simply compile the code and release it.
I never said you built or released the 0.13 wallet. I said you were the reason barrysty1e's wallet with Balloon hash was not used and that you helped Vassilis. Only you andVassilis could know details of your collaboration. You said your contribution in 2017 was small. But when you replaced Vassilis about 2 years ago, in 2018, took over his Github with 0.13.9, was it not important for you to audit the code? We all were using this insecure wallet till Feb, 2020.  We all were not coders and were sure you're working, caring about it and we just trusted you.
I am pleased to announce that I will be working with the new Mooncoin team replacing Vas to maintain and deliver new features in the mooncoin core wallet (https://github.com/mooncoincore/wallet).

And even before, from my PMs sent to your previous account 'mebagger':
I'm not a coder unfortunately, just an investor.
Are you able to analyze the code to find possible vulnerabilities if any?
can you please cite all Mooncoin addresses which are unspendable in the new release, and the part of the code?
Thank you!

You answered:
2) warp sync - can it have potential vulnerabilities, if not, why didn't Satoshi implement this simple solution to sync faster?
Not that I can see. Looking at the code it simply speeds up the syncing process if you have less blocks than 1112500 and spot checks the pow on those blocks. Once the download is complete you can always rescan the blockchain in full on disk. Network operations just happen faster when you can transfer larger chuncks of data at a time. I have sync'ed the client from scratch a few times now. It is considerably faster than before.

The code I have reviewed looks fine James commented the code well and it's readable. It is based on the newer version of litecoin's code base so it should be more secure than the older version of the mooncoin wallet.

I also asked Vassilis to audit the code:
from my PM to polemarhos888:
Hello,
yesterday I've sent a PM to Vasillis, to help with analyzing of barry's new release for possible vulnerabilities.

And in 2018 a dev, recommended by Cointopay (MoonCoinTrev) was invited to audit 0.13.9 after known events, unfortunately, the initiative was blocked by Telegram group, the dev refused to work after their accusations:
Moon's problems aren't in the code.

Why is a dev introducing himself with no background, a shortened forename and no explanation?

I'll ask again, is MF trying to undermine Moon?

I mentioned your contribution not to blame you or anyone. Before the tragic event with 62 B  it was one of the best periods in Mooncoin history when a dev and Mooncoin community  worked together.
The point was that 0.13.9 was a community thing, not only a dev thing. Someone found Vassilis, some members helped him with issues, someone was auditing the code, other people donated money to Vassilis. Not to blame Vassilis, either, but it is not fair to blame non tech members who donate money to devs and teams that they are responsible for their code after that.  
Vassilis and 0.13.9 were blamed for broken protection, but first move from 'frozen' addresses happened on March, 2017, months before Vassilis came. And why barrysty1e is blamed, if he did what he could. No one knows everything in crypto. And if there were no protection, coins could be moved as well.

About coin lock in 0.18, my understanding that coin burn without a private key would require a fork anyway, it means that coin lock never competes with coin burn (one who makes coin burn, easily removes coin lock in the release) coin lock just adds 'better than nothing' protection not to leave coins completely unprotected.  I thought we discussed it before the release, but you posted that you didn't understand why coin lock instead of coin burn.
From my PMs to you about coin lock:
It is possible to freeze coins if the owner of address will not organise 51 attack to hack the protection.
One more feature which is present in ChekaZ release, the 1st address will be frozen, I understand that this solution is not 100%, but it is better than nothing.
I now see that I didn't mention 2 other addresses from 2014, but my understanding was it's known as they went from previous versions, without saying, nothing new, while the 1st address was in question.

On Jun, 11, 2018 I have sent to you a detailed description of SmartLikes technology to implement it.
After more than 1 year passed and there were no results, we started to think about whether to invite someone else, you said that you didn't mind:
If you have a Dev that has proposed solutions to all this I'm more than happy to review the code and test it out.

Why I did not contact Michi, my understanding was that she was involved with Dogecoin and simply had no time to code Mooncoin wallet, that you are the only relevant person, anyway I thought that if Michi was involved, she would know from you about our collaboration.
I was thinking that she was not involved any longer,  at least not involved actively, I asked Michi in March, 2018 (after she compiled a Mac wallet) whether she would like to be a lead dev, if the community would agree,
Hello, Michi.
Thank you for your efforts.
Do you agree to become a leading dev for Mooncoin (if the community agrees)?
No one minded, and in 2018 it looked like Michi was onboard, but there were no  messages from Michi since 2018, no single post at Bitcointalk, before these events,
that made me think that she just had no time to work with the project.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=31799;sa=showPosts
No posts between 2015 and March, 2020.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1938927;sa=showPosts
Only 2 posts in March, 2018.

In my post above and before I have stated there were a number of vulnerabilities. WE fixed the CE issue. WE found out what had happened by our own volition and WE added that to the list of work that had to be done to fix ALL issues. All the while you offered no support whatsoever. Noone in ANN offered any support whatsoever.  

No support? Coinexchange issue was not about the vulnerability with validation. It was a double spend while the hashrate was very low due to long stagnation with development. The fix of issue which you mentioned was the initiative of compensating (by agswinner) lost millions of MOON to Coinexchange for re-enabling Mooncoin wallet, deposits and withdrawals.
It is right to continue the dialogue with coinexchange, maybe they give us a discount. I do not remember if they have listed MOON, at that time, for Free. To be able to move on, i can donate 200M.
But you did help by contacting them and reducing the number of coins to pay. I thanked you for that and asked members about donations to your team.

My PM to Taranis (2018)
Hi, first of all thank you for your communication with CE.
All good things which you do for the MOON project and for MOON investors will be appreciated.
If they really agreed on 180M, it's a good news. 10-15 percent of saved amount could be donated to you for your help in this case. Please send their Mooncoin address to agswinner, and if you'd like you could publish your MOON address in your signature.

On  April, 2 in 2018 mebagger2 asked my opinion about your group, probably deciding to join you or not, and I told him that I didn't know you, however, Mooncoin was decentralised and any team was welcome until it did good things.
17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 mandatory update to 0.18.1 on: March 06, 2020, 09:04:42 AM
Why so immediately?
Even without a research?
Your team first accused me that I am just a name, then that I am responsible for six years of Mooncoin development.
The truth is that the community invited devs and community members donated money for their work and some members participated in their work, not only from Bitcointalk community.
Devs were different. Barrysty1e was quite an independent dev, and was close to Discord community.
Vassilis also collaborated with Discord community, not only with Bitcointalk. He also had his own opinion and did not burn 62B how it was instructed by the community. My understanding that only he has an access to the wallet with 62B. He posted and confirmed that this is his address. How do you think, if he was so shocked that stopped development after receiving 62B, would he give an access to his wallet to someone else?

I never instructed to lock 1,500 transactions. It is a technical question, and I am not a tech person.
Discuss tech question with tech people. Whether 0.18 secure or not. If Peter Bushnell, Feathercoin founder believes it is secure, why should I trust you and not him?

I only know that in the first half of 2018 Vassilis sent Github credentials to polemarhos and he sent them to Mebagger2. Mebagger2 is part of MooncoinCore team, 0.13.9 is at MooncoinCore Github. People have been using it for 2 years. Who is responsible for issues with the wallet? Me, not a tech person, or devs who keep a wallet at their Github and they said they worked hard all these 2 years how to improve this wallet.
However, the fact is that in Feb, 2020 the 0.13.9 wallet which pools, exchanges, users used, and which was under control of MooncoinCore team since 2018, had a big vulnerability with validatiom, which allowed an attacker to mine blocks fast with low difficulty,
to mine billions of MOON in a very short period of time. You told you knew about it, but you did not fix it till Feb, 2020.

18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 mandatory update to 0.18.1 on: March 05, 2020, 09:18:20 PM
No, I never thought about you as a competitor. We think different, we live in different worlds.
All this stuff is not for me.  I do not want to be CEO of Mooncoin, and it is not possible technically in a decentralised project. 
First, we should see a normal research about locked transactions.
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 mandatory update to 0.18.1 on: March 05, 2020, 07:40:56 PM
No, untrue.
Edit: Vassilis, a dev of 0.13.9 never was 'my' dev. Vassilis was not found by me, was not bound with a contract, any formal agreement, was not donated by me, he was a dev of the community, wanted to work with the project over long term.
Mebagger2. You confirmed that you are part of his team, or he is part of your team,
he contacted me in 2017 (his previous account was 'mebagger', without'2') and told that barrysty1e's new wallet is based on exotic and likely insecure BalloonHash instead of Scrypt, and that is not good.
The community supported mebagger's view and started to build a new 0.13.9 wallet, Scrypt-based.
Mebagger was helping Vassilis, together with other tech persons.

I just fixed today the pool mining section and the transaction issues..

we passed "key" block #1180751 with 73(?!?!?!!??!) transactions! Few more tests and tomorrow i will inform all the pools to make an update!

I must thank public @mebagger, @coinflow, @GBLASS and @Laidback!
you guys spent your time with me and your resources!

Thank you for your contribution to the Mooncoin community!

I was quite inactive then. Anyway I am not a tech person and never had an access to Mooncoin Github.
If I were a dev, then I would definitely check everything what I release in my Github. It is a big responsibility.

I am pleased to announce that I will be working with the new Mooncoin team replacing Vas to maintain and deliver new features in the mooncoin core wallet (https://github.com/mooncoincore/wallet).

However, I am not a tech person, and only can trust or not trust devs, based on their reputation, their activity, based on what the community and experts think about them. I trust ChekaZ and Peter, they reported vulnerability and fixed it.If ChekaZ would be a bad guy, he could just mine billions of MOON fast and dump them, that was the vulnerability. ChekaZ explained that we're lucky there were no attacks in Mooncoin history exploiting this vulnerability. My understanding is that otherwise block explorers would show abnormal increase of current supply.

I did not know about vulnerability before ChekaZ informed me about it in Jan, 2020, when working on SL, and he immediately suggested a solution from Peter Bushnell to fix it.
That had to be fixed fast, like Bitcoin inflation bug. If any attacker would discover the vulnerability, the Mooncoin chain would be ended very fast, with absolute losses for all holders.
Mebagger2 was contacted, it turned out that he knew about the vulnerability for months.
Peter Bushnell, a blockchain expert, Feathercoin founder and ChekaZ were happy to assist mebagger2.
Was it not collaboration?

I got contacted because there was 2 years of nearly no progress on Mooncoin, as you maybe saw the last 0.13.9 release already featured the MoonWord, this time the upgrade was even bigger, SmartLikes is included and a new codebase got introduced and the fork got planned carefully. I tried to work with the old devs, but they refused at some point and said that they were working for such a long time now on the 0.17 release.

I did share the codebase ( 0.18.1.L ) beforehand with them, they could review it and leave comments/suggestions. They on their end, never shared the 0.17 code. As they stopped answering DMs, we decided to move ahead, lay out the plans and plan the fork accordingly. ( Yes you have to notify all Pools, Exchanges and Services that they are upgrading to a new Version which introduces a set height update). It got planned that they have about 14 days time to upgrade to it.

Most of the services were happy that they got notified and upgraded accordingly.

Now 1-2 days before the HardFork takes place, the old devs release a Version without ANY commit history. The Repository has 20 commits, the commits aren't labeld or easily reviewable. Changes werent commited properly, so the commits are just a cluster of old and new code.

Peter and ChekaZ insisted on their safe solution, without a chain split.

0.18.1 does validate the new Blocks but lacks of historical validation as this would have lead to a fork. - 0.17 did this and forked away alone as it wasnt compatible with the previous version 0.13.9.

Historical validation should be added to 0.18.1 but wasnt directly necessary or doable without breaking the consensus instantly. Validation has been restored on the 0.18.1 Client and a fully validating 0.18.1 version can be released.

As how it looks of now, the developers of 0.17 mined alone on the " mebagger.webhop.net" pool, rented hashrate and tried to over-mine the pools/miners on 0.18 - They've rented up to 1TH/s to be the chain with the most chainwork and did a chain-reorg ( invalidated the last 10k~ blocks ).

20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [MOON] Mooncoin 🌙 mandatory update to 0.18.1 on: March 05, 2020, 06:59:18 PM
Again untrue. If there is a proof that in 0.18 wallet there are blocked addresses of innocent members, which were not locked in 0.13.9, then, yes, ChekaZ and Peter made a mistake and I am also responsible.
However, if coins of innocent members were locked in 0.13.9, this wallet was during 2 years in your hands, it is at MooncoinCore Github. This wallet was built with  help of mebagger2, by Vassilis.
Actually, the question why innocent members funds were locked in MooncoinCore 0.13.9 wallet, if it will be proven that0.18 only took these blocked transactions from 0.13.9.
Thus, if it is proven, then 0.13.9 MooncoinCore team are responsible for that, and anyway they are responsible for the fact that during almost 2 years there was a big vulnerability in the wallet which could lead to the end of chain just in several hours.
You accuse, but don't see evident things. You call white black and black white. What for?
Can you just tell what it is all about? What are your suggestions?
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