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1  Economy / Lending / Request for 1.19 BTC on: August 03, 2012, 10:54:16 AM
Going to be straight forward.

My math was wrong and im 1.19 BTC short from placing an order online.

I don't really have the money too pay anyone back right now because if I did I wouldn't be typing this thread, id be using the money I would use too pay you back to just buy myself more BTC.

I did the math too have just enough money too get what I needed and as I said before the math was wrong because I didn't account for all the fees.

Anyways, if you are feeling generous and do send a bitcent or two my way, make sure you post so its apparent to everyone when Ive reached my goal.

Hate too be a beggar but my options are kinda limited since im trying too place this order for an upcoming event and should've already had said package mailed.

Im almost sure that im going to get flamed for this because im kinda new too this forum but id like to stay positive so you guys have a good rest of your day.

18TsB3MQCJeUh5zMsePGZCGoo7oimaSkZ1
2  Economy / Exchanges / VirWoX SLL method - Bypass Risk API on: July 28, 2012, 07:51:05 AM
So I have a question about this.

Everyone who knows about this method probably knows about the Risk API they put in the game to protect against scamming/fraud which honestly doesn't make any sense too me because its just another way to exchange currency and don't see the potential for abuse. So if you know why its even there please enlighten me.

Anyways, I was wondering if there was any way you can send second life linden dollars from a second life account without using the game client too VirWoX or any where else for that matter.

Because I know when you log in too second life on there website your L$ balance shows up and you can still buy merchandise from the games website so it made me wonder if you could possibly send L$ from the website too?

Second life says play the game for 30 days and you should be able too transfer linden without being flagged. I had an account that was over 2 years old and after trading roughly 8000 linden which was close too about 5 bitcoins, I got flagged.

I dont understand why VirWoX advertises this method because advertising it is like saying we welcome new SLL-BTC traders when you have to be an average second life player to even use the feature without getting cut off, let alone just start up an account and help it out. I mean, wouldnt getting rid of the API make just buying linden and trading it do-able too the average person only increasing the already flourishing SLL BTC exchange market for both Linden Labs and VirWoX?

Oh well, I know im missing something thats exploitable because it wouldnt be there if it wasnt. Perhaps its charge backs too Linden Labs? Thats the only thing I can think of but if you could possibly verify your card info to Linden Labs through second life? I dont know.

Hopefully someone will shed some light and answer that for me! In the meantime thanks for reading!

Have a good one!
 
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Collecting BTC equivalent to collecting Real Coins of Historic Value? on: July 24, 2012, 11:59:46 AM
If I were to answer whether "Collecting BTC equivalent to collecting Real Coins of Historic Value?" I would say no.

Reason being real coins are considered antiques because time is a variable that effects real coins and not a bitcoin.

A bitcoin is a bitcoin and although some might have been around longer making them older it doesnt change any property of the bitcoin. Physical coins get new mints and what not, they change, different just about every year, thus making the ones that are less in or even out of circulation more valuable to a collector.

I mean I guess in theory you could have a bitcoin collector but what are you paying for? Say you could put two bitcoins in your hand, one old and one brand new. There wouldnt be a single difference because every bit coin old or new is exactly same as each bitcoin.

Its part of what makes a digital currency a digital currency right?



Maybe we could assign value to the bitcoin based on a few factors.

Say you have a factory and it makes t-shirts. Lots and lots of t-shirts.

The value of each t-shirt is worth 1btc

Now say Elvis wears a t-shirt and gives it to a fan. It is still a 1btc t-shirt but.... it was worn by ELVIS! I will give you 5btc for that t-shirt!

Same thing as bitcoin. A btc is a btc. But, maybe they HISTORY associated with that bitcoin or that TRANSACTION is of significance. Or perhaps a private address that was funded by another address where you KNOW that address is linked to, say Satoshi. That would mean a lot of value to.

Thoughts?

But how do you assign factors like that to such an anonymous currency? And to prove you elvis did give you his bitcoin then you would have to make the currency not so anonymous anymore kinda defeating the purpose of bitcoin right? But hey, I guess you could do it!  

Anonymity only goes so far. The anonymous nature of a bitcoin goes out the window once it is traded.

Take the market places for example. Joe Shmoe wants to trade some bitcoin. Well then! All he needs to do is send btc to a mtgox address linked to HIS account and then place an order. Well now we know that these coins that mtgox has in their hot little hands belong to Joe Shmoe. Well now someone wants to buy bitcoin and the system fullfils it. Sends this new guy some coins that Joe has deposited. Now if you want to look at any coin that you have gotten from MtGox you can trace back the transactions to beyond MtGox and then you can use that as a starting point to see what other addresses funded that origional address before it was sent off to MtGox.

It could take a little time and effort but I betcha you could end up linking the coin you have with a real person.

Bitcoin is anonymous. The people that are attached to the transactions are NOT.

Sure someone could use a disposable address and only use it once, but give it time and someone will mess up. It is all public knowledge.



Okay, well then the only factor you can apply to a coin is what address it comes from and is sent too? And unless you witness him doing it or have proof that he actually did it than you cant be sure. You can authenticate a written signature, you cant really authenticate a mouse click.  

Edit: I mean, as I see it your paying for the right to say I have "special bitcoin" because it was made special by "insert reason" but does that make it collecting? Every penny changes the exact same as any other penny over time. A penny from 1805 would be worth the same as any other penny in 1805 in close to the same condition. The bitcoin was only worth what it was because it had something done too it too make it different but that doesnt change the bitcoin itself, just the value it holds to certain people. Since something like that is considered a sentimental you cant put a price on it so you cant really have a market for it then can you? I mean I guess if a bunch of important well known people started using bitcoin you could try and get all the coins theyve used but when you try and calculate the worth of what your collection is valued at you cant because its not the same to the guy next to you. So bitcoins collectable? I dont really see it.
4  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best way to acquire bitcoins if your under 18? Harder than you think :/ on: July 24, 2012, 11:48:07 AM
Haha, woah. Just trying to fix my problem. They might be the obvious methods but im looking for a fast easy method. Didnt know that put me in the possible scammers category. I mean, is that what the majority of people do on here? The way everyone talks about scamming here makes it sound like the odds of someone mugging me and taking my cash are a one one trillionths to a trillion compared to getting scammed for my bitcoins.

Scamming in the bitcoin world is much more probable than getting smuggled, robbed etc in "real world". If you scam/phish anonymously, there is very little risk involved, With physical robbery, the criminal takes huge risks, if you start to think about it.

I guess people have their Good side and their Bad side. Just like people on this forum have their GOOD accounts and BAD accounts.

Their GOOD accounts they act good. Help others, etc..

Their BAD accounts they tend to pray on other users trying to scam them UNTIL they get tagged with a SCAMMER tag. And then they just create another account and do it all over again.

I bet there are more active accounts on this board than there is active people LOL!

Just get bitcointalk to log IP's and connect accounts logged on the same computer and expose the "good guys" for who they really are! haha
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Collecting BTC equivalent to collecting Real Coins of Historic Value? on: July 24, 2012, 11:45:37 AM
If I were to answer whether "Collecting BTC equivalent to collecting Real Coins of Historic Value?" I would say no.

Reason being real coins are considered antiques because time is a variable that effects real coins and not a bitcoin.

A bitcoin is a bitcoin and although some might have been around longer making them older it doesnt change any property of the bitcoin. Physical coins get new mints and what not, they change, different just about every year, thus making the ones that are less in or even out of circulation more valuable to a collector.

I mean I guess in theory you could have a bitcoin collector but what are you paying for? Say you could put two bitcoins in your hand, one old and one brand new. There wouldnt be a single difference because every bit coin old or new is exactly same as each bitcoin.

Its part of what makes a digital currency a digital currency right?



Maybe we could assign value to the bitcoin based on a few factors.

Say you have a factory and it makes t-shirts. Lots and lots of t-shirts.

The value of each t-shirt is worth 1btc

Now say Elvis wears a t-shirt and gives it to a fan. It is still a 1btc t-shirt but.... it was worn by ELVIS! I will give you 5btc for that t-shirt!

Same thing as bitcoin. A btc is a btc. But, maybe they HISTORY associated with that bitcoin or that TRANSACTION is of significance. Or perhaps a private address that was funded by another address where you KNOW that address is linked to, say Satoshi. That would mean a lot of value to.

Thoughts?

But how do you assign factors like that to such an anonymous currency? And to prove you elvis did give you his bitcoin then you would have to make the currency not so anonymous anymore kinda defeating the purpose of bitcoin right? But hey, I guess you could do it!  

EDIT: now that I start to think about it more, you would have to go to alot of trouble too apply certain factors like the one you mentioned to bitcoins. I mean, how can you associate somebody buying a bitcoin? With elvis wearing you t shirt its provable. Take a picture of him wearing it, hell, if you can get him to wear it get him to sign it. How do you plan on getting someone to sign your bitcoin?
6  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best way to acquire bitcoins if your under 18? Harder than you think :/ on: July 24, 2012, 11:21:55 AM
SEPA takes usually takes few days to clear, and I doubt that the OP even is from europe... In fact it seems sounds like that he is just some phisher/scammer, and therefore the obvious methods don't suit him  Grin

(No offence, there just are lots of scammers/phishers in the bitcoin "community", and the problems they have seem to be similar to the OP...)

Haha, woah. Just trying to fix my problem. They might be the obvious methods but im looking for a fast easy method. Didnt know that put me in the possible scammers category. I mean, is that what the majority of people do on here? The way everyone talks about scamming here makes it sound like the odds of someone mugging me and taking my cash are a one one trillionths to a trillion compared to getting scammed for my bitcoins.
7  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Collecting BTC equivalent to collecting Real Coins of Historic Value? on: July 24, 2012, 11:12:33 AM
If I were to answer whether "Collecting BTC equivalent to collecting Real Coins of Historic Value?" I would say no.

Reason being real coins are considered antiques because time is a variable that effects real coins and not a bitcoin.

A bitcoin is a bitcoin and although some might have been around longer making them older it doesnt change any property of the bitcoin. Physical coins get new mints and what not, they change, different just about every year, thus making the ones that are less in or even out of circulation more valuable to a collector.

I mean I guess in theory you could have a bitcoin collector but what are you paying for? Say you could put two bitcoins in your hand, one old and one brand new. There wouldnt be a single difference because every bit coin old or new is exactly same as each bitcoin.

Its part of what makes a digital currency a digital currency right?

EDIT: I also thought that something that depends on the collectible-ness of something is its condition. The condition of a physical coin can change where as a bitcoins can not. Without that factor you could even say that bitcoins cant be considered collectible. I mean, even if you collect 100 pennies that were made from the exact same mint in the exact same year they wouldnt all be the same because there condition would almost always be different from one another even if it be the slightest nick or chip not visible by the human eye. You collect 100 bitcoins and there all exactly the same. Really the age of the coin is just like a historical record saying the coin is older but doesnt make the coin any different. Your not really collecting, just paying to say you have an older coin.
8  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best way to acquire bitcoins if your under 18? Harder than you think :/ on: July 24, 2012, 10:50:17 AM
Open an account on bitstamp.net, then do a SEPA and buy yourself some coins.


SEPA as in Single Euro Payments Area?
9  Economy / Trading Discussion / Quick question. Bitcoin Newb. on: July 24, 2012, 10:44:41 AM
How much (if at all) safer is too have bitcoins sent to your wallet before funding a sight such as silk road?

Like say for example: I buy some BTC from https://get-bitcoin.com/ and give them the address of a silk road account instead of my wallets address and then going from my wallet too SR? So like just bypass my wallet.

Are there any risks to doing so?

Im pretty new too bitcoin so this question might be a bit silly but im just curious if your wallet is only for storage or if it has something too do with encrypting the coins?

I dont really know so anyone whose willing too shed some light on me thanks!

Have a good day.
10  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best way to acquire bitcoins if your under 18? Harder than you think :/ on: July 24, 2012, 10:29:13 AM
Yeah, but let me throw out a scenario. Its 3 in the morning and I need some quick bitcoins. I cant go anywhere to get them except for the internet.
That's not easy or even possible for anyone, and age has nothing to do with it. I'm sorry if you're battling with agoraphobia or something, but you may have to leave the house in order to get bitcoins.

How does age have nothing to do with it? If I was 18 I would have multiple ways of funding online accounts to buy bitcoins with. That would in turn make it possible to go through any exchange site getting rid of my problem.

You are under 18 and you still have multiple ways. Reread what I have posted. I have given you great ideas.



I here ya man, problem with a loan is what about next time? I dont want to take a loan out from someone every time I want some bitcoins. Just a reliable method that I can repeat without any changing variables.
11  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best way to acquire bitcoins if your under 18? Harder than you think :/ on: July 24, 2012, 10:23:57 AM
Yeah, but let me throw out a scenario. Its 3 in the morning and I need some quick bitcoins. I cant go anywhere to get them except for the internet.
That's not easy or even possible for anyone, and age has nothing to do with it. I'm sorry if you're battling with agoraphobia or something, but you may have to leave the house in order to get bitcoins.

How does age have nothing to do with it? If I was 18 I would have multiple ways of funding online accounts to buy bitcoins with. That would in turn make it possible to go through any exchange site getting rid of my problem.
12  Other / Beginners & Help / Bitcoin Wallet Question on: July 24, 2012, 10:16:52 AM
Okay, yes, im newbie too bitcoins. Only really been dealing with them for a month or so and was wondering, if you bought bitcoins from any trusted site or bitinstant and you gave them an address that was other than too your bitcoin wallet in the bitcoin software could you possibly not receive them? Like, can you bypass your wallet and not have to worry about not getting your bitcoins as long as you know the place your having them sent too is also a legitimate coin receiver? For example: I want to buy some bitcoins but just want to fund my online account too buy internet goodies without going through my wallet first but im worried that if I dont have the coins sent to my wallet first I might not get them.

Its probably a real simple yes or no question and some people might laugh that I even bothered too ask but you can never be too cautious! Anyways thanks! Have a good day. 
13  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best way to acquire bitcoins if your under 18? Harder than you think :/ on: July 24, 2012, 10:02:40 AM
I mean, I know I can get bitcoins by going out and depositing cash/money gram. Id just like to know if theres a way :/


you can most probably also just hand cash to someone and they will transfer you BTC instantly.


Yeah, but let me throw out a scenario. Its 3 in the morning and I need some quick bitcoins. I cant go anywhere to get them except for the internet.
14  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best way to acquire bitcoins if your under 18? Harder than you think :/ on: July 24, 2012, 09:59:23 AM
I mean, I know I can get bitcoins by going out and depositing cash/money gram. Id just like to know if theres a way :/
15  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best way to acquire bitcoins if your under 18? Harder than you think :/ on: July 24, 2012, 09:49:06 AM
How exactly does that work? I went to the site and read the FAQ but im still a bit unsure as too how I actually make a transaction. I assume you have to meet the person face to face hence the reason they provide the distance of the seller/buyer? I hate to be picky but if thats the case then id rather find a different method to where I can just sit on my computer and buy bitcoins.
16  Economy / Trading Discussion / Best way to acquire bitcoins if your under 18? Harder than you think :/ on: July 24, 2012, 09:39:08 AM
Title pretty much explains it. I'm 17 and id like to know the easiest way I could get some BTC from the comfort of my home sitting in front of my computer. I have a debit / credit card and would like to know if there are any possible ways I can get some bitcoins. Just about every way you get bitcoins requires you to go through a site like dwolla or paypal or something of the nature and you have to be 18 to register on any major online banking / money transfer site and since most of them make you link your bank accounts or verify your CC info you cant get past the age requirement. I tried buying linden dollars through second life and transferring them in game to VirWox but anyone who knows this method probably knows about the risk API that flags new accounts. I even had a 2 year old account and was only able to transfer roughly 8000 linden which is about 5 bitcoins before it flagged me and I was no longer able too. I know I could try and buy from individual people certain ways but id like a trusted secure method if possible. Any input would be nice. Ive been trying to figure something out for a couple months with no luck. Ive made a few trips to the bank for cash deposits but the nearest bank is somewhat 40 minutes away and would just like a sit at home way to get my bitcoins. Any input would be great! Thanks guys, have a good one.
17  Economy / Marketplace / Cool little BTC minefeild game! on: July 23, 2012, 05:43:30 AM
Risk a little to have fun or a lot to double your money!

Just a game I found and thought id share. Smiley

http://minefield.bitcoinlab.org/?r=7s1bL0A3EyfiRLjP
18  Economy / Gambling / Its a fun BTC gambling minefeild game! on: July 23, 2012, 05:42:28 AM
You can risk a bit just to have fun or increase the mines and double your profit!

Just thought Id share Smiley


http://minefield.bitcoinlab.org/?r=7s1bL0A3EyfiRLjP
19  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Websites to Earn Bitcoins on: July 23, 2012, 05:40:05 AM
Try http://minefield.bitcoinlab.org/?r=7s1bL0A3EyfiRLjP Cheesy
20  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin minefeild? on: July 23, 2012, 05:22:42 AM
You might not like it man, but let me tell you, its a fun game to play since it only takes .01 bitcoin to play a little game that earns BTC Cheesy At least I think its a fun way to kill time.
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