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1  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: January 18, 2016, 03:07:22 PM
Oh, yes, I find that I mostly agree with you.  I meant "occupants" just for explanation because people in Estonia are always frightened with that word. Its pure brainwashing, but it works. However, I can be sure that studying Estonian was not so important at 1950-1980, as Russian could always get higher education in Russia (St. Petersburg and Moscow). So, Estonian was learnt and teached quite lazy. People learned more by communication,but as it was USSR then Estonians had to learn more.
Russians should not be demonised like they are today, no matter was that occupation or not. People are here and they should be treated with respect. Unfortunately, we cant see that today - even my own children, bilingual locals by birth, still suffer from that attitude. Bullying goes on throughoughly. So, I grew up living in 3 regimes, in ESSR and independent Estonian Republic and Estonian Rep. in EU, and I've seen it all.
I am teaching to Russian children Estonian by private lessons, and I see "tons" of these sufferers, crying out for help, because parents cant help them at all despite the parents were born here. On paper, its all beautiful, Russians "are made to study Estonian at early stage", ""language environment", etc. Its on paper only. In reality, 90% of schools just do not cope. And parents cant support. Method and system does not (STILL!) work. I am not the one to say, what is wrong. But something is and badly. Over half of Russian students get very weak grades, and are not happy (not to say hate) Estonian classes. There is no fun, there is no help.
I see young Estonians a lot out of business, jobs in private sector which needs knowledge of Russian. And well educated Russians, some even with bad knowledge of Estonian, snatch the jobs in front of young Estonians faces.
It is claimed, that Russians were and are taught Estonian language well. Its a lie! In fact, they have to pay a lot and struggle hard, so many just dont care any more. Russians are thrown overboard. I believe the 2nd and 3rd generation does NOT deserve this!

But thats not so important now. Did you see my post about our papers and minister? The fight in that keywording will be extremely difficult, in double.
2  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: January 18, 2016, 12:27:16 PM
Papers say that MTÜ Eesti Vanemad (Estonian Parents, organisator)
http://www.eestivanemad.ee/
is "hand from Kreml" (Russia, enemy) and really do not stand for children. Its Russian propaganda, says minister of science and education, Jürgen Ligi.
http://m.delfi.ee/eesti/article.php?id=73417737
Defencepolice said there is nothing illegal within MTÜ created in 2014, but just lies and malinformation. Despite that conclusion gevernment labels them to be "enemys propaganda".

parentsofestonia@outlook.com

Now, you, see, anyone taking part, will be an "enemy of Estonia". Does anybody dare to come?!
Some, say, that "we dont believe your threatening with bad Russia any longer, since government uses it everywhere",
but those are not many brave people.
3  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: January 18, 2016, 11:08:27 AM
Yes, it was just confusion  Roll Eyes with mail, found it on your page  Cheesy.
4  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: January 17, 2016, 10:15:44 PM
BTW, Forgot to mention: we have one case (I think you have heard about it), when all children were taken by CPS. I looked to all info I could find and came to conclusion that the reason was parents to be a little bit dumb and seriously poor. The youngest child died in childcare. The system apologized and did not give the others back to family. CPS found, that such parents should not give birth to children, since they are poor and will burden the support-system (un-oficcial statement). Some children did not like to go to school and parents could not convince them to go. So, instead of offering homeschooling and maybe even a teacher, if parents were "dumb", they took children. Not to mention no funding (or natural things like food, clothes etc) was given to avoid poverty. Sums meant to help local people are actually very low, so even if they did give support, it would be probably still be not enough. Parents were not abusers, alcholics or drug addicts. Just dumb and poor. This happened before new law came in force, so its said that such mistakes will be now avoided. What an irony, it will get much worse. Soon. Probably, they would not get even an apologize now.

PS: In Estonia the thing is that the older people often know Russian well, youth does not. Older Russians (occupants) do not know Estonian language, youth knows it better. Reason: Until 1990, estonians had to know russian if they wanted to manage in ESSR (Estonian Soviet Social Republic). Schools for Russian children taught Estonian very negligently. Now, from 1992, we do not have any longer two languages officially. So, young Estonians dont have to learn Russian any more and they dont and Russian children are now under pressure, obliged to learn Estonian on high level, believe me, they struggle hard with it, since parents cant help them. My own opinion is that no matter is there one or two languages, both local groups should be taught, for free and well. Smiley But it wont happen of course, just dreaming.
5  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: January 17, 2016, 09:42:55 PM
Hello Marianne,

I will be very busy tomorrow, but thanks for all your info, it helps. Definately, I will translate the linked for you (however, not very high quality into English, you would want to edit). Yes, I will do my best to prepare for protest and also, I will translate info into Estonian (it is much more  important as Russians get a lot of info from Russian media, but Estonians dont). I would need then you to upload them somewhere, I could spread a link to this info then. I would like to stay publicly/locally quite anonymous i.e. not to be an author. We are quite threatened by many instruments-systems. World is gone crazy.
6  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: January 16, 2016, 11:33:51 PM
Thank you, Marianne.

I can translate from English to Estonian and Russian. I speak and understand fluently Finnish as well and can handle more-less some slavic languages (Polish, Check etc), but not translate into these. I have "an idea" of few other common European languages, so I can see/read with quite  wide open eyes.
There is some info found in Estonian, but I am not sure if its enough. Could be useful to get in touch with people who are struggling here. However, I have heard about a protest in Tallinn on 23.01.16. I try to be there, if I can.
7  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: January 16, 2016, 12:36:44 AM
News: http://praguepost.com/the-big-story/51505-another-child-taken-by-norway-s-barnevernet
8  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State on: January 15, 2016, 03:39:41 PM
Hello everybody.

I am aware of the problem now and giving my full support to you and families under these tragedys. There is no doubt that power will corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. My hope is that in my country this model of CPS will not be accepted fully, but I feel endangered. Any ideas, how to inform people, so they would start doubting and questioning? Maybe, someone can write an informative summary of issues and I could translate it and I could spread it, there where and how I can? The more people hear, the more they think.
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