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I think its because you tolk it to Italian police first. I went to German Kriminal Polizei and they take it serious. Try to write lka120@polizei.hamburg.de. They are processeing my case and if more people would do the same they have to react fast. may you want to tell us your case ID, so the police can connected other cases easier Ok guys I'll try it. Thanks |
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Hi guys, I have been VERY VERY BUSY in the last 2 weeks.
The bad notice is that the Italian Police told me that the justice "iter" to follow is too complex, long and expensive! And maybe
the power of attorney would close the case immediately.
So now I know that henceforth I will never buy anything from the internet (just from Amazon or other big and sure parties!).
We are not protected!
Sorry for my unfortunate colleagues as well!
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They'll not refund anyone guys. On Monday I'll have an appointment with the postal police office ...it should have been today but I'm busy.
I just wanna say a couple of things:
1) We, YM victims should act together
2)Let's Post videos on youtube to unveil the truth and spread the thing on other forums.
I'll try my best.
Have a nice day.
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AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: Contact Form YesMiners Aggiungi ai contatti 02/02/2016 [Mantieni il messaggio nella parte superiore della Posta in arrivo] A: '**********' Support@YesMiners.comDa: YesMiners ( Support@YesMiners.com) Questo mittente è nel tuo elenco Posta protetta. Data invio: martedì 2 febbraio 2016 21:08:42 A: '**********' Dear ************, please allow our accounting a few days to proceed your refund. When it is done, you will get a message. Best regards, Mit freundlichen Gr??en ----------------------------------------------------- Tomorrow is their last day! I won't reply to them. |
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My last email guys:
RE: AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: Contact Form
*************
09:23
A: YesMiners
Good morning,
I haven't any trace yet of my requested refunds.
Can you update me please?
I'm sorry but things seem going bad, I just want let you know that if I will not have my money back within thursday, I will be constrained to take legal measures (police and legal actions) against your company.
Sorry, but I have to be clear.
Otherwise, I wish you a good job.
Best regards,
Ing. ************
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I don't mind if I'll receive the money back or not.... justice will be done from my side...starting by denouncing them to the authorities. My refund deadline will end on the next thursday and then I will go to the Italian police and will inform German authorities.
If justice will fail, everyone in this world could come a scammer! I repeat that I made a wire bank tranfer, so I'm courious about what they'll do. For sure I will learn something important.
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Many people on the internet say that you are "scam". Why is there no evidence of any delivered miner from the internet? I just saw your post on Youtube.... and ...if you want I come in Hamburg to see the miners working.... if not I want to be refunded within next tuesday. Best regards, *********** This is the @ I sent to YM today  Did you get a response from Yesminers? YesMiners Aggiungi ai contatti 29/01/2016 [Mantieni il messaggio nella parte superiore della Posta in arrivo] A: '**************' Support@YesMiners.comDear **********, I have forwarded your request to our accounting which will proceed your refund soon. When it is done, you will get a message. But please note that it will take a few days. Best regards, Mit freundlichen Grüßen Peter C. Winkler YesMiners Customer Support Support@YesMiners.comYesMiners This is the answer. |
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Ok, I've sent a total refund request to YM giving a deadline of six working days, after which If they'll take time or other things I will start a legal action against them.
Seeya!
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Many people on the internet say that you are "scam". Why is there no evidence of any delivered miner from the internet? I just saw your post on Youtube.... and ...if you want I come in Hamburg to see the miners working.... if not I want to be refunded within next tuesday. Best regards, *********** This is the @ I sent to YM today |
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Do you think you will get your miner?
I say no, lets do a bet!
Do you know the past from Mr Volker Studier?
Call him and ask him if he was ever in jail!
Ask him if he was involved in the Jansen kidnapping.
Than think again why you should trust that small company without any proof or experience in chip design, claiming to do a better miner than the major players.
They could sell it like sliced bread, but they refuse to show any proof and sell instead with very high discount.
Why do they not try to maximize their profits?
They claimed a high number of shipped units, but no unit was ever seen in the wild...
account on ebay was removed
So what do you suggest me at this point? |
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No adaseb the order I made was just one (two if you consider the upgrade).
I sent in total about 2200 €..
And let' note that they have attributed 4 order #, where instead there should be a total of 2 # I think!
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yep, just double checked this, the logged password was changed on January 23, 2016, 12:05:27 PM, last Post from Xircom was January 22, 2016, 07:19:01 PM There is no other logs in there with password changes Before the suspected "hack". So.. A: BTCT seclogs don't record password changes past certain dates(hold 1 month of records), it could of happened over a month back.. B: Xircom2 be lying about getting hacked.. worst case: could be a hacker themselves trying to pull some "Social Engineering" to hack the real Xircom? unlikely, probably just Xircom trying to cover up some mistakes.. or C: gotta live with the fact that there are asholes on here, that push my buttons Omg, yes! Sorry! I was wrong... This is what is displayed on my "Recent Orders" list: 200000475 1/7/2016 ********** €112.81 Paid View Order 200000395 12/18/2015 ********** €2,007.56 Paid View Order 200000394 12/18/2015 ********** €2,007.56 On Hold View Order 200000393 12/18/2015 ********** $2,195.67 On Hold View Order ...note that the last row is in $.... And guys I wanna share with you the last @ received from YM: AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: Contact Form YesMiners Aggiungi ai contatti 27/01/2016 [Mantieni il messaggio nella parte superiore della Posta in arrivo] A: '************' Support@YesMiners.comDear *********, please do not only check the order numbers. One number can be 1 miner, but also 100 miners for example. Right now we have shipped/hosted ~40% of all orders in 11 days. So the following ~60% will be done also quickly. You can check anytime you like all the dates at the front page. Very soon means really quickly, but I do not have an exactly date yet, because our system is managing all the dates. This is what they say.... ...and thx willi9974! Bye |
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Something is interesting here, every member on this forum who bought miner has order number #200000XXX.
Does anyone has order number #100000XXX, #300000XXX or #400000XXX ?
I can guess they "use" each one for each currency accepted: #1 GBP; #2 EUR; #3 CHF; #4 USD To comprove that i must do 3 buys, and i don't want to do...  If that is true, then i cannot imagine they sold as many orders in EUR than in CHF...  one more nosense... BTW, the more i see from yesminer the more i think this is a total SCAM. There is no doubt (or not reasonable doubt)... But if somewho can show any proof of the REAL existence of this miners, i'll send my apologies to yesminers... I'm #400000XXX (Italy - Eur). Can someone tell me if https://enshop.bitmain.com/product.htm is trustable? I'd like to order a couple of s7... Many thanks.... I like this forum! |
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Sorry, but what I don't understand is the fact that at this rithm (about 5 orders a day), since I'm at #393 in the queue I would have to wait other 66 days to have what I've paid for! Peter, you say that I will receive my goods very soon . So what do you mean with "very soon"? Please, I'm very confused give me a reason to thrust your Company. Best regards, **********i From: Support@YesMiners.comTo: *********************** Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: Contact Form Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:35:03 +0100 Dear ******, yes, your order will be done very soon. You can check all dates right at our front page. If you like to cancel your order, please note, that you will be dropped from the queue as soon as we start the cancellation process. So please think about it and let us know your decision. Thank you. Best regards, Mit freundlichen Grüßen Peter C. Winkler YesMiners Customer Support Support@YesMiners.comYesMiners Radickestraße 28 21079 Hamburg Germany I reported you my last 2 emails, the strange thing is that they still have this address in the email sign: Radickestraße 28 But in home/impressum ithe address is : Impressum YesMiners PYC Pylon Consulting GmbH Friedrichstraße 171 10117 Berlin Deutschland Telefon: Soon Fax: Soon Web: http://www.yesminers.comE-Mail: support@yesminers.comGeschäftsführer: Marijo Ruf Inhaber: Marijo Ruf As other I had a look to google map street view and noticed that there is another Company named MC-Office GmbH & Co. So I surfed on their website: http://www.mc-office.de/kontakt/ and asked them if they know this PYC Pylon Consulting GmbH. But till now I haven't received any responses! Ok, I'm ready to cancel my order and maybe to denounce them! Please if anyone has other news or want to collaborate to investigate on them let me know! Bye |
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poodle63, thank you very much! Just a question : if I order from BITMAIN itself and I pay in BTC do I have to pay duty fees? And if yes how can I calculate them? (I'm in Italy)
Thanks for help!
You pay VAT (22% in Italy) only. Thank you for the information HagssFIN. |
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poodle63, thank you very much! Just a question : if I order from BITMAIN itself and I pay in BTC do I have to pay duty fees? And if yes how can I calculate them? (I'm in Italy)
Thanks for help!
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I reply to bittalc1.
No bittalc1 unfotunatelly (or fortunatelly) I'm not a YM member. I just asked you guys an opinion about what to do.
I'm very confused...
Indeed I asked you guys to suggest me another trustable ASIC as alternative.
Anyway you're free to think what you want..
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Email received from YM at 19:33 : Dear ****, yes, your order will be done very soon. You can check all dates right at our front page. If you like to cancel your order, please note, that you will be dropped from the queue as soon as we start the cancellation process. So please think about it and let us know your decision. Thank you. ------------------------------------------ What do you think guys?  |
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Ok guys, maybe another victim here! Order #200000394, 100% paid via wire tranfer. It's an M10 machine with the overclock included (100% paid as well!). Now, let's note that an online shop http://www.gamma*******.ch has removed the YM miners from its site this morning. 1+1=2 if the math is not an opinion! So it's not difficult to say now that it's scam (poor me and others). I have no evidence of people posting YT videos where they show their M10/20 working... apart from those YM videos showing a led screen that's mining at 25 TH... But I'm not worried because the payment method is totally traceable, so if these guys will not refund me I'll denounce them to the police and take legal action if necessary. And I'll do this this week already. This would discredit the seriousness of the Germans as well. Otherwise, if the goods were to get me, well what to say? I'll buy other machines. Let's see and feel free to contact me if in the same condition! SEEEYAAAAA  How much did you send them in total? Yes 1800$ for miner and 200$ for upgrade. Thats their price, if he didnt buy it from ebay voucher. I wonder, how you havent made account in this forum before, newbie like me. If you have 2k$ to spend in crypto world you should be familiar with forums like this. Anywyas sorry for your loss and hope you search next time before making investments. Wish you luck. That's exactly what I've done, registered here and searched for info about those miners. Once I saw that it could be a scam, I lost interest, even if they look somehow legit and tempting... Lets just hope that they will get punished for scamming people. I never partecipated to a forum but from now it will be a must for me. So, yes I will be more cautious in the future, but anyway I've paid via wire transfer to an gmbh company and that is a legal guarantee for me. Does anyone know which is the more efficient alternative miner (not scam ) in commerce? Seeya! P.S. I will keep an eye here and I'll update any information I can provide to share with you guys! |
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Ok guys, maybe another victim here! Order #200000394, 100% paid via wire tranfer. It's an M10 machine with the overclock included (100% paid as well!). Now, let's note that an online shop http://www.gamma*******.ch has removed the YM miners from its site this morning. 1+1=2 if the math is not an opinion! So it's not difficult to say now that it's scam (poor me and others). I have no evidence of people posting YT videos where they show their M10/20 working... apart from those YM videos showing a led screen that's mining at 25 TH... But I'm not worried because the payment method is totally traceable, so if these guys will not refund me I'll denounce them to the police and take legal action if necessary. And I'll do this this week already. This would discredit the seriousness of the Germans as well. Otherwise, if the goods were to get me, well what to say? I'll buy other machines. Let's see and feel free to contact me if in the same condition! SEEEYAAAAA |
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