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It gets murkier and murkier by the day: The concept of Masternodes was not actually invented by DASH Another idea stolen without giving proper credit. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1045373.msg16412006#msg16412006This Dashcoin project makes a complete mockery of open source, while sending newbies into small coners of the internet to 'avoid trolls'. What these Instascam groupies around here do is try to shutdown what a scam this project is by diverting new investors into closed channels where only one view of history is pumped into their brains, you know, like brainwashing. This makes me wonder what other little thieving and passing off as original ideas gems we can uncover? |
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Allocate $x every month from the budget payouts to a hack the anon tech bounty.
Awards paid out to anyone that produces verified evidence.
When fixed, start the bounty again.
If hacks take 12 months, each year the bounty could build to values that would attract the best code breakers. It should become harder to break things after fixes.
You want to build up a $1m, or even $10m, bounty over time to make a statement over security.
In theory it should not be difficult provided money incentives are there. Kristov Atlas identified sybil attack on the mixing parties as a possible weakness when he did his review. Back then the count of mixing parties were 2, to increase speed. But 2 is very easy to identify the other party. So mixing parties got up to 3 to fix that. But 3 is still low and can be sybil-attacked. All one has to do is run multiple sybil-mixing-parties bots, all day long, to "catch" those mixing. The cost of doing so would be in the fees paid to do all the mixing. Now, if you have this thing running all the time, at some point you'll catch someone who is mixing alone and you can pretend to be all his other mixing partners. At that point you have verifiable evidence that at least one tx got deanonymized. Your bounty prize will easily exceed the fees paid. Sybil attacking the mixing parties is much cheaper than sybil attacking masternodes. And this needs fixing. Now send me the bounty  So why does everyone else say Dashcoin is sybil attack resistant when there are several examples where the security has been shown to be anything but, even by its own supporters? This is another example of the Dash-Insta-Scam in action. |
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Its an interesting read. Is Apple providing what guide lines they are using? Its very odd, as DASH is available on Jaxx on MAC OS, Andriod, Windows PC, Firefox and Chrome. This is were collaborating with other crypto currencies comes in handy, to the benefit of of all. They looked into dashcoin and decided to press eject on the instascamcoin. They have high standards and morals. |
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Did you actually read what it said? You posted that like it was good news. lol Looks like you are trying to fool people into thinking there is something positive about Apple and DASH being used in the same article. They junked dashcoin  |
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I have pretty much destroyed your position that Dashcoin is Sybil resistant.
Just close the thread already.
nope, you pretty much got nothing, zip, nada. you also seem to have reading problems or you would have understood that and avoided making another senseless bump of this thread. lol. You obviously don't understand what your OP is about. Look, you have basically said there is a problem, but in time it will reduce: ....
In time as the number of masternodes rise, dev team and otoh will actually loose influence with their number of masternodes.
lol. |
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This is good for everyone over the long term.
People getting rich overnight will draw more and more people to crypto. It's just the way it is.
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I have pretty much destroyed your position that Dashcoin is Sybil resistant.
Just close the thread already.
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tl;dr If you were able to overcome people's general laziness and get 50% of the network to switch to your too-good-to-be-true-cheap VPS, you'd have a 0.39% chance of deanonymizing an 8 round PrivateSend.
Ouch. Not to play into the hands of the trolls, but that point distresses me on these grounds: 1. It assumes "laziness" as a motive for behaviour. That is usually a dangerous assumption, imho, as it justifies inaction. "Shoganai", as the Japanese saying puts it. "Whatcha gonna do - people are lazy." It's a copout. 2. The very numbers that reassure for an 8-round PrivateSend become alarming for a 2-round send. We should investigate worst-case situations rather than take comfort from best-case ones (especially if we believe people will make lazy choices). 3. The analysis does not account for cumulative effects of snooping. A crumb gathered here and there could turn into a full loaf if the hypothetical snoops were patient and diligent enough. As others have suggested, this issue may be the skeleton outline of something that can be improved, a delightful unintended consequence for trolldom. I'm glad to be of service. Just a shame your network can't be equally useful. Now we have some measure of consensus that the dashcoin network can be fucked over with just a few $$ and some patience, perhaps people around here will be a little more polite, especially when making wild claims about Sybil restiance. If the Node40 guys ever needed to raise some money quick, like needing to fund a divorce payout (it can happen) or pay off a gambling debt, they could easily pull off a nasty trick or two while shorting dashcoins on exchanges. BTW, feel free to send a 1,000 XMR donation to the XMR dev fund for helping you identify and flesh out this issue. Oh common now Mr Jones...seriously. All cryptos are works in progress. DASH's superiority lays on the fact that we can fund...and fund very handsomely professional development from our built in funding system to address any issues that may arise.  So I wouldn't sit there and gloat about anything...you've added some intelligent points to the discussion, so please don't degress to trolling activity, its unbecoming of you. no one is loosing sleep over a perceived issue with DASH in its infancy...so first lets finish DASH Evolution! Your sig is broken, it needs this code: 1st Brick and Mortar DASH Merchant at misconductwineco.comAnything else you guys need my help fixing around here? Jesus, just give me git access  |
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tl;dr If you were able to overcome people's general laziness and get 50% of the network to switch to your too-good-to-be-true-cheap VPS, you'd have a 0.39% chance of deanonymizing an 8 round PrivateSend.
Ouch. Not to play into the hands of the trolls, but that point distresses me on these grounds: 1. It assumes "laziness" as a motive for behaviour. That is usually a dangerous assumption, imho, as it justifies inaction. "Shoganai", as the Japanese saying puts it. "Whatcha gonna do - people are lazy." It's a copout. 2. The very numbers that reassure for an 8-round PrivateSend become alarming for a 2-round send. We should investigate worst-case situations rather than take comfort from best-case ones (especially if we believe people will make lazy choices). 3. The analysis does not account for cumulative effects of snooping. A crumb gathered here and there could turn into a full loaf if the hypothetical snoops were patient and diligent enough. As others have suggested, this issue may be the skeleton outline of something that can be improved, a delightful unintended consequence for trolldom. I'm glad to be of service. Just a shame your network can't be equally useful. Now we have some measure of consensus that the dashcoin network can be fucked over with just a few $$ and some patience, perhaps people around here will be a little more polite, especially when making wild claims about Sybil restiance. If the Node40 guys ever needed to raise some money quick, like needing to fund a divorce payout (it can happen) or pay off a gambling debt, they could easily pull off a nasty trick or two while shorting dashcoins on exchanges. BTW, feel free to send a 1,000 XMR donation to the XMR dev fund for helping you identify and flesh out this issue. |
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You guys are just empty shells. I read the security considerations section. It talks about security based on buying up coins. You obviously don't get my point. I don't need to buy a single coin to own the network. I just need to offer a hosting service and people will come to me to set-up their nodes. Existing and new Masternodes will come to me. I can control the network without needing to own one single Duff. |
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So let's say you're happy to make less profit. But you know others won't care as much. lol. The majority of nodes would end up being under my control. The funds might be elsewhere, all nice an safe in cold storage, but the network would be routing communications through my servers. Yeah, you'd be fucked. Maybe I'll set-up several different services. A nice logo. Flashy website. So it costs me $10k for three months. You're still fucked. Actually, i think there is only a small minority that would be interested in lower costs for VPS provider, specially now Dash has risen in price so much. Why pass on quality, services, anti dddos measurements for a few bugs ? Just think about it : MN payments per 5 or 6 days : 2 Dash 1 Dash is currently $11,50 So it cost him halve a Dash (maybe even less in the future, when the price of Dash rise again) and he will be set for the rest of the month. So we are agreed. This is a network security flaw. I knew you would eventually wake up from your Dash delusion. |
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Sweet mercy of Satoshi, this DASH thread is polluted with trolls.
I would have thought Ric and the boyz would have left DASH alone now they have finally found success but it appears not.
I've been thinking along the same lines. One of the trolls is claiming to have doubled his money on DASH, but still rails against it. Why would anybody devote such a large amount of time trolling a thread unless there is a powerful motivation? The only conclusion I can come to is that these folks lost money by buying high and selling low, or that they are paid trolls. Nothing else explains the level of commitment they've made to trolling. They are motivated by something. What is troll's motivation ? Trolls are hero, legendry level. Many lost money in trading coins.. but they don't become trolls. By launching mining error super reward to first day miners.( it is real) Xmr win dash by market cap. And market is favourite to xmr than dash. What is the problem to the trolls? Because they didn't get super reward, do they become trolls? Or paid by some team ? Maybe it's just their short positions. Now is the perfect time for them to help the marketmaker with their FUD because it's unclear if there will be a usual full retrace or another move up on the market. I can see that someone is slowly pushing the price down with moving sell walls but doesn't let it crash too fast at the same time forming a near 45 degree steep slope. But maybe I'm wrong and they're just paid Monero staff. But by no means are they expressing their own thoughts and opinions. It is too dumb, too demagogic, too illogical and too persistent. It can only fool people who are new to crypto, not only to Dash. And possibly targeted right at them. That's a challenge. How many Masternodes are hosted with service providers like Node40, and how many of these service providers are there? You see, running a Masternode is about profit. If I offer a hosting service which is half the price or less of other hosting solutions, profit hunting Masternode operators will just jump on my service. Instead of costing $millions to buy up all the shit Dash coins to pawn the network, I can run a few cheap servers for a few months and have the Masternode network coming to me. Less than $5k would do it. Short Dash and the network is fucked while I sail off into the sunset. Trolling to you, but we're just pointing out how flawed the so-called anonimity is around these parts. Please tell me how the network is fucked when they can all move to another VPS providers and set their masternode up and running again in a few hours ? Its not like there is actual Dash stored on those VPS servers of yours, thats all in control of the masternode owners themself. Besides most masternode owners prefer quality and service over cheap unknown servers anytime, i know i do which is why i'm still at my current VPS provider. So let's say you're happy to make less profit. But you know others won't care as much. Remember, it's all about the ROI people keep promoting around here. lol. The majority of nodes would end up being under my control. The funds might be elsewhere, all nice and safe in cold storage, but the network would be routing communications through my servers. Yeah, you'd be fucked. Maybe I'll set-up several different services. A nice logo. Flashy website. So it costs me $10k for three months. You're still fucked. |
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You just wasted your time.
Otoh, Duffield and a few others can control the votes. They just have to send eachother a few messages and they control what gets done.
Well that sounds fair, if you're in control of those votes.
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Sweet mercy of Satoshi, this DASH thread is polluted with trolls.
I would have thought Ric and the boyz would have left DASH alone now they have finally found success but it appears not.
I've been thinking along the same lines. One of the trolls is claiming to have doubled his money on DASH, but still rails against it. Why would anybody devote such a large amount of time trolling a thread unless there is a powerful motivation? The only conclusion I can come to is that these folks lost money by buying high and selling low, or that they are paid trolls. Nothing else explains the level of commitment they've made to trolling. They are motivated by something. What is troll's motivation ? Trolls are hero, legendry level. Many lost money in trading coins.. but they don't become trolls. By launching mining error super reward to first day miners.( it is real) Xmr win dash by market cap. And market is favourite to xmr than dash. What is the problem to the trolls? Because they didn't get super reward, do they become trolls? Or paid by some team ? Maybe it's just their short positions. Now is the perfect time for them to help the marketmaker with their FUD because it's unclear if there will be a usual full retrace or another move up on the market. I can see that someone is slowly pushing the price down with moving sell walls but doesn't let it crash too fast at the same time forming a near 45 degree steep slope. But maybe I'm wrong and they're just paid Monero staff. But by no means are they expressing their own thoughts and opinions. It is too dumb, too demagogic, too illogical and too persistent. It can only fool people who are new to crypto, not only to Dash. And possibly targeted right at them. That's a challenge. How many Masternodes are hosted with service providers like Node40, and how many of these service providers are there? You see, running a Masternode is about profit. If I offer a hosting service which is half the price or less of other hosting solutions, profit hunting Masternode operators will just jump on my service. Instead of costing $millions to buy up all the shit Dash coins to pawn the network, I can run a few cheap servers for a few months and have the Masternode network coming to me. Less than $5k would do it. Short Dash and the network is fucked while I sail off into the sunset. Trolling to you, but we're just pointing out how flawed the so-called anonimity is around these parts. |
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I think we proved it's not Sybil attack resistant. Far from it. Even if you had 8,000 HoneyPotNodes all individually owned. The fact that you have a handful of node hosting service providers that host them all is a big hole in this Sybil attack resistant claim. If I set-up a hosting service next week and charged $1/month for hosting, everyone would jump on it and I'd be able to bitch slap the network in a month or two. Then you have a small group that can vote through anything they want on the taxed miners rewards. Sorry to burst your bubble. But the truth does hurt sometimes. Hey....these are important and productive discussions. If this is truly the case...then there is always work to be done. As I'm not a developer but long term investor, I'm encouraged to see these topics brought up. No need to appologize. No one has ever claimed that this a fully completed project. See, now that is more constructive. The trouble with having people making exaggerated claims is that nobs believe it and it's basically false claims which gives everyone a bad name. The moral to this story is simple. Rather than spouting wild claims about network security which are far from accurate, just buy Monero. |
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I think we proved it's not Sybil attack resistant. Far from it. Even if you had 8,000 HoneyPotNodes all individually owned. The fact that you have a handful of node hosting service providers that host them all is a big hole in this Sybil attack resistant claim. If I set-up a hosting service next week and charged $1/month for hosting, everyone would jump on it and I'd be able to bitch slap the network in a month or two. Then you have a small group that can vote through anything they want on the taxed miners rewards. Sorry to burst your bubble. But the truth does hurt sometimes. |
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the way i see it, if a big corp like apple is worried about privacy features of dash means the software works so good that must be banned
do you remember the war on popcorntime just because was working so damn good? same here
No. It just means they don't want shit projects that give false adverts for its main features. |
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Sybil attacks can happen in many different ways.
Like rigging the voting on the monthly budgets. If you have, say 600 Masternodes, which one or more of the DASH shills do, then you can just vote for what you want. Or you can just co-ordinate how you want a vote to go with a core group.
Is DASH Sybil resistant? No.
Game over. Close the thread.
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