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1  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: December 31, 2012, 04:45:02 AM
Charlie took care of my orders and got me a refund. Thank you Charlie for everything. Wish you a great New Year. Thank you.

So sweet  Grin Thanks!


I think it's a horrible customer service idea to fight with me in forums.

Hey,

No one is arguing with you, I'm simply responding as I've always promised to respond to every customer. I need to point out fallacies so others don't believe some of the things that have been said.

At the end of the day it comes down to this:

We had an issue, we responded to everyone including you every single time. The form email was a simple status update so no one would be kept in the dark.
It would take us the same amount of time to either respond to everyone individually (telling them were working on it) or we could actually be coding and fixing the problem. I think the obvious decision is obvious.

You were never kept in the dark, however out of everyone, you said the nastiest things to us and persisted to act in a very unkind manner. My team is very hurt by how you acted towards us since we spent all of 2 days resolving this issue. I don't take these things personally as I understand this is alot of money, and I've been on the front responding nicely to you, especially after the hurtful things you said to me. Again, this is business and I won't take it personally.

You think 24 hours is to long, so do I, however most of that time was spent waiting for Cloudfare to fix it on their end, which was out of our control. I had their senior engineer working on a holiday Sunday. Unheard of.

We sent you extra BTC to cover your losses and always helped you along the way.

Overall I think we handled this extremely well. We dealt with hundreds of customers (and still are) at the same time coordinating an awesome response team while the developers were working around the clock to resolve it. Everyones orders are being processed before the start of the week, and we are paying everyones refunds and fees. It seems like you are the only one still debating me on this, I'm not sure why.

We want you to remain a happy customer. I'd love to hear more of your suggestions, please PM me or email me.

Your ideas are awesome, don't get me wrong, but let's not get off topic in this support thread.

I'd also be glad to schedule a phone call with you!

Thanks

Charlie


Awesome reply, Charlie.  You're winning me over.

Several of my posts were probably immature and made in haste.  However, in my defense, I think those kinds of emotional posts should give us all an idea of how customers honestly feel and how they can respond in this kind of situation.  My comments may have been immature and overly direct, but probably not totally irrational.

I've had a lot of hurtful things said to me during my (not short) career.  Even though they hurt me at first, they are usually helpful to me at the end of the day.  And I know it's a cliche, but those kinds of comments usually help a lot more than all the compliments that people can pour on you.  Compliments feel good, but are seldom helpful in terms of long-term improvement....they are just good for short-term "feel good" moments.

Thanks to you & your team for working non-stop to fix this issue!  Much appreciated!  This level of dedication should give some idea to all current & potential future customers about the level of professionalism and care that BitInstant has for their customers.  Best wishes for continued success!

Like you said, let's get to back to purpose of this threed...support!
2  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: December 31, 2012, 03:11:00 AM
Just sent a PM. I'm sorry that you guys are dealing  with this nonsense. I can only imagine how stressful it must be. Hope you get a good night's rest when all is done! Bitinstant has definitely been the most reliable bitcoin website I've tried thus far; I have full faith in its management. I understand why others are getting frustrated, but things happen.

Thanks for your kind words!

Your order was processed!


I tried PMing you all the info I have Yankee but since I just opened this account I can't PM you. I can email whatever you need.

Thanks,

Ben

Hey Ben,

Feel free to post the Order ID here.

Thanks


Everything Charlie says about my transaction is true.  I just received the BTC.  And he compensated me the extra 5 BTC, as he stated.  I finally received that the BTC a few minutes ago......~24 hours after I paid the USD, but he certainly did compensate me the 5 BTC.  Much appreciated.

However, I disagree that what I have posted is "spreading negative things about" them.  It is just the facts.  I think BitInstant needs more controls and resources.  It just can't be acceptable to tell customers that things are "out of our control".  Customers simply don't care.  It's real money.  This is business.  Big whoop that you do $3M USD per month.  You are lucky to have no/few competitors right now.


The facts?

This is what you wrote:

making sure that everyone knows that BitInstant is a complete joke.  You have failed miserably as co-founder and CEO.  Whatever money you get from scamming everyone won't last long enough to make up for your ruined reputation.

I think your right, and we do need more control and resources.

Again, you don't know much about us, but we have grown over the year with more staff, less mistakes and downtime.

Of course customers care, customers want to know everything thats going on. We posted updates as they happend.

Another mistake. We have plenty of competition here, and we make the least mistakes out of all of them.



I work for a global Fortune 50 company.  We would be hammered in the press if we allowed something like this to happen.  Charlie claims that he answered every email and PM.  Maybe so.  But it was a form email response (I know because he sent the same reply to two different help requests I made).  And I would contend that he & his team need to be even more responsive.  Again, I think they are understaffed.


Working for a fortune 50 company and being the founder of a startup are totally different things, please don't compare.

We have thousands of emails to respond to, why would we sit and spend hours writing individual responses when they answer is the same "Sorry for the issue, were working on it and will update you soon" All fortune 50 companies do the same thing.

As mentioned above, if I made this mistake at work, I would see a big revenue/profit hit.....and a hit to my bottom line and year-end variable compensation.

This mistake was not made by anyone in our company as I've explained before. Cloudfare was blocking all 'orders paid' messages from Moneygram overnight. We had to fix it on our end, and they fix it on theirs.

I've spent more time then needed responding to your comments, which I agree to some degree with.

However, most of your comments were out of panic and frustration thinking were a scam.

Thanks

Ok, got a PM sent out to you Yankee. Any help I can get would be great.

Checking it out now!

Charlie - Keep up the good work.  Running a business is not easy.  I fully understand that.

Arguing with customers is never a good idea.  Never.  I said some very inflammatory things.  Things that ticked you off, I'm sure.  Challenging your capabilities as CEO/Founder.  But believe me when I say I am among the most patient and understanding of customers you will come across.  I seldom complain....in-person or online.  But this situation set me off.  You have made promises on your website that you are (were) not keeping.  On top of that, there was simply no way to understand the status of our transactions.....your site was always saying "loading" when checking the status.....and you were sending "form" emails.  This is serious stuff.  Customers should be expected to have little-to-no patience with this.  No matter if it's New Year's or Christmas or the end of the world.  I want to respect you, but for you to be surprised by my response tells me that you might be a bit naive.  24 hours to resolve this was entirely too long.

I want to support you and you are somewhat apologetic at some points in your last post, but for some reason, you still want to argue with me (me = a customer.....someone who could refer you to others, use you again in the future, etc.....or not).  Blaming it on someone else (....mistake not made by anyone in our company.....).  Saying I am new to the scene.  Talking down to me about where I work (whether I work at a big company currently doesn't tell you whether I have tried entrepreneurial ventures in the past or will in the future.....so don't assume I don't get it).  Making excuses for not answering "thousands of emails".....guess what, Boss....you better find a way to talk with all your customers.  Real-time.  Customers expect a certain level of service.  And you are catering to ppl around the world....24/7.  Your "live chat" was a joke....just sending my "chat" to your email.  And nothing was posted on your Facebook or Twitter accts that I could find.

I suggest you focus less on arguing with customers & more on satisfying them.  Comments like "Another mistake" just totally piss ppl off.  I can get behind you if you keep doing the stuff you are doing in terms of taking care of this problem.  I think it's a great customer service initiative to give out some extra BTC for these troubles.  I think it's a horrible customer service idea to fight with me in forums.
3  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: December 31, 2012, 02:17:24 AM
Hey,

Before I address everyone's concerns, I will just post confirmations of people who requested.

Those who accuse us of being a scam, and general trolling will be addressed below.

As our FAQ clearly states, everyone who had an order that did not process after 1 hour is entitled to a full fee refund. To get this, shoot me a PM with your Order ID and Bitcoin address


Quote ID: d07dfb27-668a-4826-b1b9-80d5d3cc036d
Event ID: 62000771-30e1-4e5d-8ff0-7392fda9f4cc


Hey, I just confirmed this processed!


Quote ID    3990f519-8c6a-4f3f-9770-67cb1f6964fc
Event ID    7cc29ff9-35a9-4584-ab53-b52f0f1494d0


Processed as well!

Hi Yankee - I'm having a similar problem with my transaction.

Quote ID   ad377bee-ef27-402a-879a-f9fca7ee3b93
Event ID   67040eac-86eb-4225-8fb0-ffcd786f89bd

Thanks in advance for taking care of this!

This processed, we also sent you an extra 5 BTC to cover the fees and the drop in price since your order was placed Saturday morning.


Quote ID: 6e0154d3-0a68-4709-914b-2de91288931a
Event ID: 0ab1df22-9ca8-41c7-85ed-95dfd378cba6


Processed as well!

Hey i am having the same problem as everyone else.

my transaction last night at walmart for 503.95 never went through to my blockchain.info wallet.

this is my acct number it was payment was sent 906794102

Processed!

still waiting as well.  Cry
I've only been using Bitinstant for a few months but it's always been kind of touch-and-go.
I keep telling myself I'll find another service, but then they fix the issue and they remain the most convenient option for me, but issues like this definitely shake my confidence in where I'm putting my money.
I would try something else today, but I put all of my funds in the hands of Bitinstant, so it's not exactly an option this time around.

Please PM me your order info, I will process it if its not done already!


(1) this is the internet age, not the stone age.....45 seconds for each transaction?

(2) I thought it was BitInstant??  I've been waiting almost 24 hours now.

(3) Maybe this is accepted in the BTC world, but in the "real world", this is a complete failure of the business model and customer service.  BitInstant has only one purpose in life.....and they have failed miserably over the last 1-2 days.

(4) Charlie has been polite, but hasn't offered any compensation to anyone yet.....nor have I heard of anyone who actually has been satisfied by the recovery actions.  People are still waiting.

(5) He said he would be online to see everything through......(a) he doesn't show as online on the forum, (b) he hasn't replied to my email for over an hour ago.

Very frustrating.  This is real money here, not some sort of internet "just for fun" game.

1 - I think you don't understand, 45 seconds because if we ping the MtGox API or any exchanges to much then everything will crash and burn.

Since we don't want to break any of our partners software, we slow down processing so we can monitor it.

2 - Yes, due to issues out of our control, however we have processed everything, sent you extra funds, always responded and made it right as promised.

3- While I understand your frustration, we do run a business in the real world. In fact, we are one of the largest and longest running Bitcoin companies. You may be new to the scene, so please do some research about us and the scam companies that have come and gone.

4- Probably because you are new here, but our FAQ clearly states that we refund all fees. I have already done this for your order.

5- I responded to every PM and email you sent me. We have other customers to work with as well, and we were working on this issue during the day. Im sorry I can't sit and update you every 5 minutes as we had a lot of coding to do.

Thanks everyone for your patience and support.

Our staff including myself will be online all night to address any issues.

Thanks

Charlie and the Team.

I saw lots of positive references about BitInstant before I decided to try it, so if it's a scam (I doubt it), they could have just decided that it was now time to cash out & make a run for it with a somewhat small amount of short-term gain.  Sucks for us.  Bad timing.

I think the "scam" option is probably only about a 5-10% possibility, though.  I just think Charlie and his team are understaffed and unprofessional.  I'll never use them again.

Neither is true.

We have been around for over 18 months now and process over 3m USD worth of transactions per month.

This problem occurred out of our control on a Saturday night New Years Weekend. Not only were we working around the clock with no sleep, including our 5 developers, but we had to have Cloudfare fix the issue as well all day Sunday.

I know this was bad timing, but we have made it right and always updated everyone on this thread. We also sent you extra funds.

If you dont want to use us anyone thats fine, but please don't spread negative things about us. We always take care of our customers.

Everything Charlie says about my transaction is true.  I just received the BTC.  And he compensated me the extra 5 BTC, as he stated.  I finally received that the BTC a few minutes ago......~24 hours after I paid the USD, but he certainly did compensate me the 5 BTC.  Much appreciated.

However, I disagree that what I have posted is "spreading negative things about" them.  It is just the facts.  I think BitInstant needs more controls and resources.  It just can't be acceptable to tell customers that things are "out of our control".  Customers simply don't care.  It's real money.  This is business.  Big whoop that you do $3M USD per month.  You are lucky to have no/few competitors right now.

I work for a global Fortune 50 company.  We would be hammered in the press if we allowed something like this to happen.  Charlie claims that he answered every email and PM.  Maybe so.  But it was a form email response (I know because he sent the same reply to two different help requests I made).  And I would contend that he & his team need to be even more responsive.  Again, I think they are understaffed.

As I researched this, I found that there are customers from the past few months that have had similar complaints.  If BitInstant can take this as a learning experience and continue to improve, it will be great.  And I might even have to recant my "will never use them again" statement.  However, they are lucky that they are first-movers and have little competition right now.  That lets them get away with more mistakes than other companies in other industries.  As mentioned above, if I made this mistake at work, I would see a big revenue/profit hit.....and a hit to my bottom line and year-end variable compensation.
4  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: December 31, 2012, 01:32:43 AM
@tavallyjustice:  I'm not sure if it's a scam or complete incompetence.  Neither one is cool.

I saw lots of positive references about BitInstant before I decided to try it, so if it's a scam (I doubt it), they could have just decided that it was now time to cash out & make a run for it with a somewhat small amount of short-term gain.  Sucks for us.  Bad timing.

I think the "scam" option is probably only about a 5-10% possibility, though.  I just think Charlie and his team are understaffed and unprofessional.  I'll never use them again.
5  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: December 31, 2012, 12:55:31 AM
Still 0 BTC for me.  But I definitely saw $403.95 of real USD cash go out of my hand to a random clerk at CVS last night.

Charlie - I hope my $400 was worth it.  This is completely unprofessional.  I don't have a ton of extra time or energy, but I'm going to put whatever extra time/energy that I have towards making sure that everyone knows that BitInstant is a complete joke.  You have failed miserably as co-founder and CEO.  Whatever money you get from scamming everyone won't last long enough to make up for your ruined reputation.
6  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: December 30, 2012, 11:07:30 PM
Still nothing here.  Completely ridiculous.

BitInstant is clearly not ready for prime-time.  If I was Charlie (someone who is listed as "Co-Founder and CEO"), I'd be awake 24/7 and working hard to resolve these issues & keep customers happy.  Business 101.  Not feeling like he has much entrepreneurial spirit right now.

I feel like a fool for giving $400 cash via MoneyGram to such a joker.....but I had lots of good references.....
7  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: December 30, 2012, 09:35:26 PM
Yeah, exactly, I'm still not seeing my money...

This morning Charlie said:

Quote
Hey,

Yup, out of 650 orders from the past 20 hours since it started about 150 have processed.

Processing about 1 order every 45 seconds, so just give it some time.

Ill be online for the next few hours making sure they all go thru

Charlie

So, I guess give it a little bit more time.  Undecided

OK, but . . .

(1) this is the internet age, not the stone age.....45 seconds for each transaction?

(2) I thought it was BitInstant??  I've been waiting almost 24 hours now.

(3) Maybe this is accepted in the BTC world, but in the "real world", this is a complete failure of the business model and customer service.  BitInstant has only one purpose in life.....and they have failed miserably over the last 1-2 days.

(4) Charlie has been polite, but hasn't offered any compensation to anyone yet.....nor have I heard of anyone who actually has been satisfied by the recovery actions.  People are still waiting.

(5) He said he would be online to see everything through......(a) he doesn't show as online on the forum, (b) he hasn't replied to my email for over an hour ago.

Very frustrating.  This is real money here, not some sort of internet "just for fun" game.
8  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: December 30, 2012, 08:31:10 PM
UPDATE:

Looks like all orders paid in the past 20 hours were effected.

They are processing now about 1 order per minute, so it shouldn't be much longer for everyones to be processed

Thanks

Charlie

Can anyone confirm that transactions have been resolved yet?  I appreciate Charlie's support and reassuring posts, but still nothing has happening for my transaction.  In this case, BitInstant has been far from "Instant".
9  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: December 30, 2012, 06:13:41 PM
Thanks, Charlie.  You are restoring my faith.  Look forward to seeing my BTC soon.  Thx again!
10  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: December 30, 2012, 03:14:54 PM
Hi Yankee - I'm having a similar problem with my transaction.

Quote ID   ad377bee-ef27-402a-879a-f9fca7ee3b93
Event ID   67040eac-86eb-4225-8fb0-ffcd786f89bd

Thanks in advance for taking care of this!
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