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最近洋葱要上国内的平台了，ico现在上的少，新币次新币都跌了，目前匿名币板块很火，洋葱如果上国内交易所的话，价格应该会飙升
首先洋葱以目前的功能来说，并不是匿名币，因为钱包地址系统用的是跟比特币一样的。 top 100 rich list大家都看得到，开发者的钱包，包括币的进出，这些都看得到，这些信息在其官方网站都有。TOR网络功能只是集成了一个TOR客户端，这个跟用户自己下一个TOR客户端装上，没有任何不同，算不上什么高科技，而且就算这个功能也不是洋葱的人写的，而是来自其复制的Bitcoin Plus。 如果你要说洋葱匿名，那大概指的是所谓将要开发的Deep Send功能。那么我们又回到了最初的问题，掌控洋葱的人有开发能力吗？目前来说我们是没看到的。我发了这一贴都快一个礼拜了，其官方github仍然是0新代码，0更新。 还有就是绝大部分的创世帖，都是不保留楼主删帖权利的，也就是说允许所有的负面批评存在，违规的帖子让论坛超级管理员管理。而洋葱的创世贴却保留楼主删帖权利，并且楼主非常频繁和积极的删帖，以至于它800多页的创世贴，没有一贴负面评价。你觉得这是为什么？以我个人多年的经验来说，这种保留楼主删帖权利的创世贴，99%是骗人的骗局。所以它们不敢允许任何负面评价存在，骗子心虚啊。 |
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DeepOnion is basically a vehicle for the "dev" to get rich, it's a copy pasta of Bitcoin Plus with 0 new code developed.
Whenever the price goes up, you can expect the "dev" to sell some of his holdings. If you observe the trades on nova, whenever DeepOnion goes up, there's a single big dump from someone with seemingly unlimited coins to sell.
He's probably $500,000 richer already looking at the trades on nova.
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Is this confrimed ?
You can just go to their official github and see for yourself. Still zero activity so far. Last changes were in July, and those were just minor text changes. Now is September. Not a single line of new code written. |
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有人私信问我是不是洋葱开发者闷在家里偷偷写代码，然后都写好了再拿出来，这是我的回复，其他人也可以看一下： 我认为一个好的程序，必然是要经过调试，测试，不公开基本是不行的，就算是做软件的公司，写代码在内部也是公开的，按常规程序来说没有一个人偷偷写一大堆代码，不经过团队测试审查就能直接用于产品。 洋葱开发团队有几个人？好像也就crypto-rainbow一个吧，还不知道他是不是在写代码。你可以看一下匿名币领头羊XMR, ZEC的github，没有是闷在家里偷偷写代码，写一大堆再突然拿出来的。都是循序渐进，经常更新github的，这样也方便其他人及时审查测试新代码。 我看他们在论坛上 刚发了个贴，在找程序员加入其团队。我觉得很可能就是像我想的那样，搞洋葱的人没想到炒作这么成功，本来也许想跑呢，但是又改主意了，准备花钱雇人真的做做开发了。 所以说，我觉得目前来说，洋葱应该是没人在写代码。但是他们雇人之后，能写点代码出来也说不定。但是所谓DeepSend功能第四季度就实现，那基本不太可能，太快了。至少得明年了。 这世界上也确实是有这种事的，就像舒淇一样，一开始是个演三级片的，本来只是赚点快钱就走人。可是演着演着发现自己粉丝真不少，说不定能成为大明星，结果就试着演正片，最后还真火了。 你是否愿意相信这个故事？总之我要投资洋葱的话，至少得等到其团队证明了开发能力再说。 |
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楼主说的有一定道理，对任何币种做投资都需要保持一定的谨慎，但是如果说只是从更新不更新代码来评判一个币行不行，也并不是绝对的，有一部分ICO开始的时候连钱包都没有，照样做的风生水起，要我来说，一个币种到底有没有前途，未必有技术一定就行，营销也是很重要的一环，说到底，现在的山寨币都是从比特币钱包的基础上发展起来的，一定程度上也都是抄袭。一个币最终是不是能火，三大要点不可缺，一是有没有特色，包括技术及概念，二是营销搞得好不好，三就是热度。如果按照你的说法，其实洋葱欠缺了一点技术特色，但是好歹打上了tor概念，但是貌似其他两条都搞的还不错。当然，最终洋葱到底能走到什么程度，谁也说不好，但是个人还是比较看好的。
ICO很多都不算是加密币了，很多确实没有钱包，因为不是加密币，而只是虚拟币，利用的是ETH平台，只是ETH平台里面的一个数字。 ICO要成功一般也是要有人背书，靠名气，背景或者什么。洋葱开发者名不见经传，又不写代码，只靠营销我不知道能走多远。总之如果洋葱开发者能在github上更新点新功能自主开发的代码，就算写的不好，我个人立即投资洋葱，也毫无问题。像目前这样一个多月，一行代码也不写，我不知道该怎么想。 |
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freebeer2go， “过去一个多月没写一行新代码”这个质疑是不是可以发到英文版？这样让大家讨论，真金不怕火炼，去伪存真。发出这个质疑的目的不重要，重要的是你说的是不是事实，以及这个事实应该如何引起我们的注意。热烈疯狂中，有不同的声音还是很重要的，可以让我们比其他人可以深入的看一些问题，减少可能的风险，对所有人都有实实在在的意义。投资一个很大的考虑就是风险，以及如何把风险降到最低。这条铁律，在任何时候都适用。既要看到大洋葱的优势和发展，也同时要看到可能的问题。我们可以列出大洋葱的10条优势，但是我们或许也应该列出它的缺点或者需要改进的地方。任何美好的事物都不完美的，我们不吹毛求疵，但是我们也确实需要在一片欢声沸腾的景象中，保持一双时刻警惕的眼光。
洋葱的官方github都是公开的，有没有写一行新代码，你完全可以自己看嘛，何须别人证明，也许国内的人需要翻墙。 |
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Yeah, they got shat down because they knew about them beforehand. The thing is: even though DeepOnion is just a copy-paste, the creator did improved something: the communication. And, yeah, that's a DeepOnion banner. You see... When it comes to cryptocurrency, financially speaking, the communication is a very big deal: remember, two weeks ago, Bitcoin Cash? Fuck yeah, this thing rocked the place around. It made noise. It attracted people.
DeepOnion is just Bitcoin Plus. So what. Coins are distributed evenly amongst anyone who wants some, and as far as I know, Bitcoin Plus is ... ok i guess ? Well, the code is not wrong. It's open source, anybody can do anything. By giving time to the community to distribute coins amongst every users, by entering the market, by advertising... In 40 weeks, when they will "open the gate", I think that it will be like a giant mexican standoff.
Yeah, a real mexican standoff, but with DeepOnions, this time.
As far as I know, Bitcoin's value is exactly the same: so many people invested so f*cking much in that dope that, now, nobody wants to sell it.
If you manage to distribute coins the same way to a community, and then, you add value to the coins, you win.
And as far as I know, again, Mr. Satoshi Sakamoto has something like 2 millions Bitcoins on his wallet. And nobody is crying about that, on BTCTalk, at least, not to the point where everybody sells them in a day to make it hit the ground.
It's just marketing. Every previous Tor-coin failed before. Maybe it was the name, after all. I don't know about that part, however.
EDIT: I've checked the exchange where they trade DeepOnion. There's very few coins trading there, indeed. Since the beginning, we can only account for 200 BTC traded, and the actual price could drop to 0 if you sell for more than 10 BTC. That is 40 000 Onions, if you wonder. So, it represents something like 15 airdropped at the moment. Which is, IMO, kind of a concern.
But hey, that's penny market because it's only been three weeks. The thing is: most of the volume is theses last days, with more than 40 BTC/24H. This is not coming from donations of a few 1000's forumers, I think that it's coming from people that wants to hold, too. As long as there's momentum, any coin can work.
The only coin that matter is the loudest.
You have some very good points, and yes I'm not really concerned with the premine. My single biggest concern is still that the developer of DeepOnion is not showing any development activity at all, on their official github. No activity for over a month, in a new project? This is not a good sign, how does DeepOnion expect to keep to its roadmap with zero actual programming activity? I agree marketing can make the difference, but every person need two legs to keep balance. Marketing is only one leg, the other leg is the actual technology. Without actual technology, marketing craze will soon fade, eg. FeatherCoin (used to be Top 10 coin due to good marketing, now no one cares). |
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That's not true. If you search for the thread "Traversing the deeponion" here on Altcoin Discussions, you will see that there were facts stated that go against currypto's post. I suggest you look at the thread.
EDIT: I can tell you that it's value is maybe less than it should, the coin aims to be fully anonymous and it is securing the TOR network by adding more nodes.
How do you think the US Government takes TOR sites down? They probably host a lot of nodes. This coin tries to solve that problem.
The "100% fully anonymous" part was very puzzling for me, I mean dude you use the same wallet/address scheme as Bitcoin, you have a top 100 richlist by address, how can you claim to be anonymous at all? Your wallet has a TOR client bundled with it, ok that's innovative? I can just install TOR myself... Also DeepOnion developer didn't even develop any of the above function, it's a copy pasta with text change. Also TOR is not 100% fully anonymous, many many TOR user/service has been IDed and shutdown by US government. |
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DeepOnion is a fork from Bitcoin Plus, with just text/logo change, and a new website. There are no new feature developed. The official DeepOnion github shows no activity for over a month. All the previous activity on the github is also text change they missed, no new feature development at all. So why would anyone buy this copy-pasta coin, that does not have any new feature added, hell it does not have any development activity at all! A copy pasta of Bitcoin Plus is worth $10M USD? I'll concede they do have a pretty good signature marketing campaign going on.
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DEV都能这么慷慨的把１０００多万币送出去了，还舍不得那１个点的币出来给开发者吗？难得这样的热点，这样的热点怎么说也要日到前十的市值，天天去对那个代码，没有人投资有JB用，我明白的说，资金已经进入，上大平台不飞都难，回去好好玩ICO吧
资金进出都是很快的，最终留下的还是技术。像没有技术的，光靠炒作出来的币，比如FeatherCoin (FTC)，当年炒作说是LTC是银，FTC是铜。曾经上过coinmarketcap前10名好几个月的哦。现在呢，都快到200名之外了。 而真正有自主开发的技术的币，比如BitShares够老吧，2013年开始开发的币。但是开发者技术够过硬，名气大。起起伏伏，至今也还是在coinmarketcap 20名左右。 真正技术高明的开发者，这世界上并不多。这世界上有几个Vitalik Buterin，Dan Larimer这样的开发者？你花钱就能雇的到？我看未必。 但是DeepOnion的“开发者”，自己不写代码，又不雇别人写代码。一个多月一行代码也不写，就直接炒作？这也太没诚意了吧。 |
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因为你参加不了空投，所以没办法了，可以理解你的心情，至于说买不买自己决定吧!技术没什么难题，慢慢在搞，有人气不怕没技术，通过最近和作者的接触，更加坚信了对项目的信心。我想问问你看完大洋葱一个月以来750页的创世贴吗？光看几个代码就能判决了  你说的也对，我觉得也许DeepOnion开发者也没想到复制一份Bitcoin Plus，修改一下文字，做个网站，发个帖，就能炒到现在的市值。 以DeepOnion现在的市值，就算本来DeepOnion的开发者技术不行，那么现在拿1%的premine的币出来，赶紧花钱雇人开始开发，也来得及。就看DeepOnion开发者舍不舍得这么做了，还是只是想炒一把就跑。 总之目前来看，洋葱的开发者并没有显示出任何新功能开发，过去一个多月没写一行新代码，这作为一个新项目也是说不过去的。其实新项目往往开发频率很频繁，一天都好几个commit。你可以对比一下DeepOnion的github，和比如XMR的github，对比很明显好不好： XMR github：最近的commit 2天前，过去一个月100多个commit，写了一万多行新代码。 而DeepOnion过去一个多月commit为0，没有写一行新代码。 |
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如果你只是拿免费的airdrop，那么没什么关系。如果你计划用自己的钱购买DeepOnion，还是谨慎为好。 首先洋葱的代码是 直接从Bitcoin Plus项目复制过来的， 只有文字性修改，也就是把Bitcoin Plus文字改为DeepOnion，把logo换了一下。你可以在洋葱的 官方github看到，到目前为止并没有什么新的功能开发，只有些文字性修改。而且已经一个多月没有任何进度了，也就是说过去一个多月洋葱的开发者，没有写一行新代码出来。这样的项目，如何能配得起一千万美元的市值？ 除非DeepOnion开发者真的能写出新功能。否则这个项目到目前为止，只不过是有个人修改了一下Bitcoin Plus的文字，拿出来免费发布了一下而已。然后开发者自己还拥有绝大部分的币。这样的项目，你愿意用自己的钱给他接盘？我想用自己的钱投资的人，还是等等开发者能够证明其开发能力再说。 另外洋葱的所谓开发者， crypto-rainbow这个ID，以前没有任何作为开发人员的记录，只有些在论坛上问一些新手挖矿问题的历史记录。所以其作为开发者的能力，并未经过实践证明。 再就是洋葱的广告词大部分都是虚假的，比如100%匿名，就算匿名币领头羊XMR和ZEC也不敢说自己100%匿名。洋葱竟然敢明目张胆的这么说。首先洋葱的钱包地址就不是匿名的，用的跟比特币一模一样的地址算法，top 100 richlist都在网站上能看到，连开发者偷偷stake都被人查到了，这怎么就匿名了呢？ 其次TOR网络的开发者本身都不敢说自己100%匿名，洋葱只不过用了TOR来隐藏IP地址，这个本质上跟用户自己装个TOR软件没有任何区别。就敢说自己100%匿名了？我觉得这个属于虚假广告。 |
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I think it's fair to say it's not a scam, but only if you received the airdrop for free. I would caution anyone that spends their own money to invest in such early and high risk project. It's your own money, make your own decisions. So let me repeat, there is probably no real evidence DeepOnion is a scam, only theories/concerns. But there are some issues that would make me a little concerned if I'm spending my own money to buy, specifically: * no activity in the official github, last commit over a month ago * no new release of client update, so I'm not really sure if there is any development activity going on If the developer could publicly show actual development activity by showing new commits in github or release new client updates, that would be ideal. I'd be then comfortable with spending my own money to buy in this project. |
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Yes, POW is wasteful and insecure (as shown by all the attacked and dead POW altcoins)
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I don't want to take risk releasing my private key. Could someone send me a few coins for testing? I will be very grateful. I will give them back with interest when in two month  LXLL2Dpyumw2DYN6y4Cf6h9eNejiApU2cx I don't understand the logic. You are releasing your own private key to your own wallet, it just happens to be your own wallet of a different coin. It doesn't seem risky to me at all. Anyway, I imported all my private keys and now have a bunch of LottoShares. Thanks Freetrade. Just the chance of the wallet software being compromised in some way. It is all very well to risk to loss of the new coin in that way, but I would think a lot of coins are going to go unclaimed (= unmoved = destroyed), unless confidence really picks up in the first year. I agree. I think this is a problem with the method Bitshares X/Bitshares PTS/Bitshares AGS have been thought (and many other coins following the same practice). I am wondering if one day or the other, a scam DAC could appear and read your priv keys and send those to the developer. In the case of bitcoin and others you can send your savings to other address and give the older private key, but how are you going to do that with your Bitshares X rights? I think the validation of ownership to receive your rights on subsequent coins should be changed to giving a signature, not giving your own private key. This is why it's open source, so everyone could check it out and compile it yourself if you don't trust the binary. Just refuse any non-opensource clients. |
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