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1  Local / Идеи / Re: } МИР БЕЗ ПОТРЕБИТЕЛЬСКИХ КРЕДИТОВ { on: July 15, 2016, 07:24:22 AM
я так понимаю это кикстартер, только без плюшек вложившимся?
Почти, вместо плюшек реализация своих потребностей.
2  Local / Идеи / Re: } МИР БЕЗ ПОТРЕБИТЕЛЬСКИХ КРЕДИТОВ { on: July 14, 2016, 06:53:17 PM
Четкую схему алгоритма, бизнес и маркетинг план я не предоставляю. Постарайтесь читать внимательнее. И там не было ничего, насчет отправить заявку и через неделю будет список тех, кто даст деньги.
3  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / 通過幫助別人,你幫助你自己。 on: July 14, 2016, 06:02:28 PM
了解更多 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1550452.0
請幫助實施項目。
4  Local / Идеи / } МИР БЕЗ ПОТРЕБИТЕЛЬСКИХ КРЕДИТОВ { on: July 14, 2016, 05:54:48 PM
Идея заключается в следующем. Мир без потребительского кредита. С популярностью интернета и социальных сетей, люди стали объединяться в новое общество и людям все меньше нужны посредники и третьи лица. В данном случае я говорю про банк. Как вы все знаете, банковская система работает так, что принимает под проценты депозиты и дают кредиты под большой процент в сравнении с процентами депозитов. Если у банка недостаточно денег он их берет под проценты у Федерального Резервного Банка.
Проект позволит заменить потребительский кредит, при чем алгоритм структуры такой, что вам не придется выплачивать сумму, которую вы получили. Сейчас каждому человеку что-то нужно, кому-то нужен новый мобильный телефон, кто-то нуждается в деньгах на погашение долга за учебу в университете, а кому-то просто хочется путешествий с семьей. Этих людей связывает желание, пусть они и разные. Их можно поместить в одну структуру, а в структуре они могут помочь друг другу. Важная вещь в их желаниях, это деньги. Деньги – это не цель, их нужно рассматривать именно как инструмент.

Аналогов этой платформы в мире нет. Она будет независимая, как и биткоин. Мы не будем больше брать кредит, а после того, когда что-то пошло не так, думать, где занять деньги или что можно продать, чтобы отдать долг. Очень много людей остались на улице, после того, как не смогли выплатить долг.

Что это такое и как работает?
Это платформа, на которой вы размещаете свою историю и желание, далее вам желает помочь человек, но прежде, чем помочь, он должен разместить уже свое желание. Алгоритм построен так, что для преодоления запрашиваемой суммы вам потребуется 3-8 дней в зависимости от размера суммы. Это настоящее совместное инвестирование. Так же вам будет предоставлен доступ на просмотр желаний тех людей, которые помогли вам и кому помогли вы. Это прекрасно чувство, когда не только ты реализуешь свою цель, но и наблюдаешь как осуществляются желания других людей. После того, как вы набрали нужную сумму, вы можете разместить фото и видеоотчет, как вы приобрели или побывали там, о чем мечтали.

Есть очень много деталей в данной системе, о которых я не могу разглашать. Система требует соблюдать определенные правила, но они не притесняют права пользователей. Но скажу сразу, структура никогда не расширится и не лопнет в тем более. Это не финансовая пирамида.

Комиссия
Комиссия составляет 0%, эта система будет разрабатываться людьми для людей.

Почему биткоин?
Биткоин независим. Нужно понимать, что криптовалюта это не просто средство, для переводов, не новый этап в развитии денег, так как нам рассказывают в СМИ. Это электронная расписка, это новый натуральный обмен, который идет мимо и так уже полных мешков, лишая их своих процентов, а нас необходимости содержать целый класс, который ничего не создавая просто паразитирует на чужом трудолюбии и таланте. Биткоин приватизирует их права, верне возвращает их истинным владельцам.
Мы считаем, что нужно продвигать идею биткоина. На платформе будет достаточно много информации о биткоине.
И мое мнение, стоит как можно больше создавать проектов, связанных только с биткоином.

Нам нужна ваша финансовая помощь для запуска проекта:
  • Создание сайта
  • Выделенные сервера
  • Автоматическая платформа. После сбора средств, деньги сразу отправляются по указанному вами биткоин адресу
  • Разработка мобильных приложений
  • Продвижение проекта

Срок завершения проекта 30 дней. Я буду вести здесь дневник о проделанной работе.

Я прекрасно понимаю, что мне не доверяете, потому что я новый пользователь на сайте. Но я прошу вас предоставить мне возможность реализовать данный проект. Он внесет колоссальные изменения в нашу с вами жизнь.

Я не ищу инвесторов, для меня деньги лишь инструмент. Я прошу от вас помощи, исходя из ваших возможностей.
Для меня важно, чтобы люди перешли на новый уровень жизни.

Мой адрес биткоин.
1HGt8dzwtGnu3j7QbqSpH8oDGriaazddLu

После запуска проекта буду возвращать сумму на кошельки пользователей, которые мне помогали.
Буду рад ответить на все ваши вопросы.
5  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: A WORLD WITHOUT CREDIT on: July 14, 2016, 05:02:53 PM
Although it was a pleasure reading it,I'd say it is not as easy as you have not even considered any of the use cases.My doubts below
>I can fake a wish and ask it to be fulfilled ? Video/Photos can be faked as well.
>Why would someone even bother investing in someone's wish to which no returns are guaranteed except Karma++ when they can have their karma's=karma*i by donating to charity ?
>The concept is not bad but don't know how you will find the people who'd actually like to pay for someone's dream.
>Assuming they do,what's the guarantee other's would fulfill their wish.
>You will have a shit lods of scammers around if this ever works out.
Thank you for your interest. Yes, you can falsify and deceive the platform, but you will have to ask for help from friends to help you and placed their desires, then they ask their friends and acquaintances. The system will work knowing that you cheater. You get your money. Think you have earned the money, you have done advertising.
You know, a lot of scams in the world. But the honest people in the world anymore. A man helps another, puts his wish, then help him. It creates a cloud, which will be fixed Number of members. And the cycle continues. And people will come back in 2 months, maybe a year later on the platform.
Because as long as people will need in the desires, the platform will work.
6  Economy / Economics / Re: } A WORLD WITHOUT CREDIT { on: July 14, 2016, 04:45:20 PM
I see two problems (and no real solution to them):

one - the concept of a world without credit. Except for really primitive direct exchange of goods, all economical interaction works with credit. This does not necessarily mean a bank loan with interest, but it's very often not avoidable to trade real goods or services for promises of goods or services to be repaid later. Boom, there you have your simplest form of credit. Cash is only a very special form of credit (anonymized reverse credit) so an economy using cash has implicitly built credit into it. You just can't avoid it.

two - the "pay forward" approach of your website, while ethically very commendable, will most likely not work in practice. People who pay for other's needs or wishes will expect to get money for their own needs/wishes later, and will be very disappointed when at a certain point they find out that they are the last ones who paid, but nobody is there to pay for them. It kind of works in a legally enforced system like the public pension systems in european countries where workers pay for the pensions of those who are older, but even there a misbalance between numbers of workers and number of pensioners leads to serious problems and unfulfilled expectations.

Another problem that would probably surface in your website is that trust systems will break down without a mechanism to identify cheaters and hold them responsible. This hampers quite some bitcoin businesses as you need to either trust the company when you send them bitcoins, or they need to trust you as the customer when they send you goods and expect later payment. There are a number of prominent examples for the first case where businesses have closed shop and the outstanding bitcoins disappeared with the owners. The second case is much rarer (nobody in their right mind would deliver to an anonymous customer without a reasonable expectation that the customer will pay).

Onkel Paul

Thank you for your interest.
We have a lot of thought about how to make a system that would work and there was no imbalance. And so, people would help each other with wishes, formed a cloud. This cloud is a fixed number of people. And the people who helped other people will never be the last, because people constantly have needs and desires. And create a loop. Suppose you asked a friend to help fulfill your desire, it has helped you, and posted his desire, then he asked someone else and so on. After 4 months you needed money, you go back to the platform, helping man and place your story. And so the cycle is never interrupted. The platform will stop working when there is no demand from the people. I can not tell completely the whole algorithm, but it works and there is no imbalance. With credits on all hard business, I'm not talking about her. There really is nothing to be done. I know a lot of stories about how people are deceived and owners of dubious companies have disappeared. But my goal is not to deceive people and hide, my goal is to do something to improve the world. I need help to build a platform and a company that is reputable. A site that I have not reveals the full potential. The new site will be transparent and all users will know the structure of the work.
7  Economy / Economics / } THE WORLD WITHOUT CREDIT { on: July 14, 2016, 02:09:36 PM
Hi all,

I ask you to help realize this idea.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1550452.msg15582638#msg15582638

I accept advice and suggestions.
8  Bitcoin / Project Development / THE WORLD WITHOUT CREDIT on: July 14, 2016, 01:48:14 PM
The world free of debts and bank loans. This is the main idea of the project. With the popularity of the Internet and social networks, people have come together in a new society and people need fewer intermediaries and third parties. In this case they are banks.

As you know, the system of bank deposit works in a way that they pay commission to deposit holders and give out loans with higher interest rates.
If the bank doesn’t have enough money they borrow from the Federal Reserve Bank. 

This system will replace the loan system and besides you don’t have to return money that you get. This is the algorithm of the project. 
 
Nowadays, everybody has needs, someone wants to buy a new phone, someone is looking for money to study, and others just want to travel with their family.

All of them have wishes, even though they are different. We can put them in one system and in this system they can help each other.
The most important thing for them is money. Money is not the goal, we should consider them as a tool.

There are no alternatives to this platform around the world. It will be independent like bitcoin.
 
We will not borrow money from banks like before and feel financial difficulties, no need borrow money from other people or sell some good as we do sometimes. Lots of people become homeless because of loans from banks.

What is it and how does it work?
This is a platform where you put up your story and your wish and someone will help you but after putting up his/her own wish.
 To obtain the request you should wait for 3-8 days depending on the requested amount.
This is a real collective investment. Also, you will have access to view the wishes of people who helped you and who got help from you.
It's a wonderful feeling when you achieve not only your goal, but also to observe how other people`s wishes come true.

After getting the requested amount, you can post photos and video reports of your results.

Commission
The commission is 0% this system will work for people by people.

Why bitcoin?
Bitcoin is independent. People should understand that cryptocurrency is not only the means of transferring money, not a new level in money evolution, as we are told by media. It is an electronic receipt, a new true exchange which passes by bank transactions, and there is no reason to pay for bank workers because they earn money from others’ labor and talent. Bitcoin privatizes their rights, or rather returns them to the true owners.

We think that we should develop the idea of bitcoin. On the platform, there will be sufficient information about it.

And I’m thinking of creating more projects with bitcoin.

To start this project we need financial support

  • Creation of website
  • Dedicated Servers
  • Automatic platform. After collecting the funds, the money will be sent directly to your bitcoin address
  • Developing Mobile Applications]

Developing the project
Deadline for the project is 30 days. I will keep a diary of the work done.

I understand that you do not trust me because I am a new user on the site. But I ask you to give me the opportunity to realize this project. It will make a huge change in our lives.
I'm not looking for investors, for me money is only a tool. I ask you to help, on the basis of your ability.
It is important for me if people will be moved to a new level of life.

My Bitcoin address.
1HGt8dzwtGnu3j7QbqSpH8oDGriaazddLu

After starting the project, I will return the money to people who have helped me.
You can contact me by email: eav.otitl@gmail.com

I will be glad to answer all your questions
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