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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Characteristics of a successful ICO and Populous on: July 16, 2017, 07:10:38 AM

Yeah I think everything will come out in the wash in 18 months from now. Especially for teams that havent really built thier platform yet. I suspect there will be team shuffles, people quitiing, but some that get it in the can and have some long term viability with thier projects.

imo that's too much of a short term view, more interesting to see where these companies will be in 6-18 months
2  Economy / Services / Re: CryptoR0th Business Development Services on: November 13, 2016, 06:38:11 AM
Been AFK for 3 weeks due to personal reasons. Back and conducting business now.

please PM me, I'd be down to hire you for a few projects, mostly around whitepapers and writing.
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: F*** ICO's. on: November 13, 2016, 01:51:10 AM
I really don't understand why people think crowd-sourcing is where the "innovation" is. People have been crowd-sourcing and offering shares in potential profit for hundreds of centuries. To put it in perspective, the British Conquest of India was partly "crowd-sourced" in the sense that East India Company had a number of private investors. You could say wars were also crowd-sourced in the sense that bonds issued to fund these wars in the 17th century were bought by private investors. None of this is what's "innovative"

The primary innovation in the ecosystem was what Satoshi offered when he made a system that allowed all of us to remove the barriers set by conventional banking and fiat system . A lot of these "investments" are being made because you have an anonymous system of value transfer that happens digitally. Granted a lot of the new coins (especially IOTA ) are solving drastically new problems, what am trying to talk of is the pointless hype around them.

I would respectfully disagree with you here in this example. The dutch east india traing company was a MASSIVE innovation, at the time, as it was the first example of capital formation. It was, at the time, and is to this day, one of the single most innovative legal structures, aside from the "trust" in legal history. Moreover, it was not "crowdsourced" in the sense that we know it, as it was only made avaliable to the aristocracy in part as a revolt to the monarch who was not always able or did not allow for the funding of expeditions. It was more akin to a "private Placement" the innovation of crowdfunding, as we know it today; is not the idea, but the methods in which it is done, the technology we have as the enabler. Which is where I agree with you. The difference from today, is anyone who has an interest no matter if you're rich, poor, smart or stupid, can participate.

If I understand you correctly, you seem to want to link the prevailing and good things from our investment regulatory system and apply them to ICOs but in the spirit of decentralization and crypto? I agree with you if thats the case, the question is what should we as a collective hold, and what should we shed to provide a working framework for issuers, and for investors so that our community can thrive?

I think a productive way to look at this might be to come up with a "Manifesto" for appcoins, ICOs etc, a loose, guiding framework that people can reference and be held accountable to so that a culture can be defined and governd around what we collective believe are the proper ways to issue and invest in ICOs. lets not overlook that on the other side as an issuer, there are nefarious things that investors do to screw with valuations and the success of platforms. I would sumbit that the DAO profiteer probably had it in for the whole Ethereum ecosystem, but thats a topic for another discussion.

I would say that respect to you for raising all this as a topic as it is necessary part of the eveolution of the community. I just hope we can sort it out before some bureacrat does and then it sucks for everyone.
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to make a 100,000$ with an ICO on: November 13, 2016, 01:22:24 AM
Premine like ether (72 million coins) and just pull off one of the biggest scams on the plannet.  Poor souls who bought... Im sorry.. IM sooooooo sorry......

Ether deserves a separate post in itself. Keep in mind this is specific to the mini-ICO's that raise 200-600 BTC's and not the large ones.

What would be a way that the community could come up with, and adhere to a process that investors can follow and issuers can follow to show the veracity of thier intentions?

I dont think ICOs as a whole are bad, but you bring up some great points, that people who are not tech savvy (in some cases not biz or socially savvy) but may have an interest in cryptociurrencies just would not know. to be contrarian, what makes a high quality ICO? so investors could be able to check boxes as a preliminary step and then use thier own judgement after they have gone through a process.
5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to spot an ICO SCAM on: November 13, 2016, 01:09:08 AM
There are several issues with this way of assessing an ICO.

Firstly, the idea of 'self-mod topic' scoring on your list 5 points doesn't make any sense. As you are all aware, this forum is full of idiots, trolls and otherwise people with nothing sensible to say just clogging up the threads looking to increase their post count. So, some level of editorial control should not be a measure of anything. You should rather look at the nature of the posts getting deleted. If the mod deletes proper questions and critical posts that have some substance then you might draw your own conclusions. If the posts being deleted are just mindless drivel, then all the better for the thread.

Have a look at the GitHub and the code and see if it's just a basic clone or something a bit more planned and thought out.
Firstly, it absolutely does for ICO topics but ann topics. According to my experience most of scams were self-mod. Secondly, it is supposed to be used for the first glance when you either want to get a quick review or have no time for a deep research (like finding nature of removed posts).

Also, there are clear issues with posting your true identity online. It could be for tax reasons and for privacy so this is not a measure of an dodgy ICO. Do you research in what is being offered, it makes no difference if the dev is called Yolobeast of John Smith.
Well, this is disputed I guess. Legit projects tend to have a team with real members that also had experience in other start-ups. Unlike them scams can't have a team which members have linkedin, github, and other profiles.

I think you got it more accurately on the last point. Real people, they have a recognized network eg people or relationships, visibility in forums/social networks where you can see thier worldview/thought process, and it can be peer reviewed. This essentially falls under "team" in the sense that although we all love anonymity/pseudonymity, when it comes down to investing money. it human to know who you're dealing with and who is leading the ship and if you find them credible. some things will never change.
6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: GetGemz was it a 1.2 Million USD ICO scam? or is there some hope for gg owners? on: November 12, 2016, 06:18:18 AM
There was rumours that the getgemz app was getting huge mobile app downloads, it seems it was completely faked however.

Yeah makes you wonder. I mean essentially the investors paid 1.6 million dollars for ....well ..not much.

Seems that funding was diverted off to his own private project. I'm hoping that becomes a large success so there is a big incentive for legal measures to be taken against them.

Another reason ALL ico funds should be held by escrows and released to them gradually as milestones are reached.



Escrow is definately needed, we need more people to vet the projects. I try my best, general rule I have now is that it is not to be trusted if it's not on my site.

hahahaha, good rule Alex. I met the guy about a year ago what he told me is that they are "pivoting" into paykey so i think the entity that controls, or received the coins, is still connected to the original supporters. But it kinda sucks that he went dark like that. I find it ironic though that anonymity is so prized until shit goes down and then everyone wants to know who you are. There are a core group of guys that are now putting out some really good ICO rating briefs that are really helpful, and it seems like there is a standard model being organically formulated. I for one would like to see vesting, and some sort of "social contract" with the investors so there is more incentive to see a project through or be transparent with the reporting. I think people are ok when things don't work out. They just wanna be kepp in the loop and not dodged.
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