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For sale KnC Saturn
Hashing speed ~240Gh/s. Used 1 day - new. 2 of 6 units left. Price 2400$. All details here!
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Sold already are 3 miners(2-positions)!
We need more sellers - guys help us, and we will help You!
Added 2 new positions with overnight shipping.
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All terms are written on the web-site - how and where to apply for ad. Thank You for understanding. Update 03/11/2013Little price list update on the web-site! Few sellers agreed to refuse prices. |
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We aren't saying we don't need your great hardware and pricing. We're saying it looks too good to be true. Hardware like this would have made it to the market already unless this project is maintained by a pac.
Anyway. It looks too good to be true. Lets see some more evidence of satisfied customers. But that's difficult due to your low quantity of items.
Low quantity is just because we have just started this project. I had to sell my own miner for less than I could get - simply to get at least one feedback... Anyway tomorrow I will talk with my guys about closing of the project, but I really hope, that buyer of my miner is from this community... sure, i'll buy these: BFL BitForce 60Gh/s - USED $ 825 Location: US Shipping: US Q-ty: 2 items but not for $825 each, that's absurd price i'll give you $1000 for them both, you ship here first, then i pay. you can look at my trust feedback thanks Have You read what kind of project we run? All products listed on the web site does not belong to us.All prices comes from sellers, we can't change them without their permission. P.S If You are interested in some products - why You write here? All contacts are on the web-site - ask there, not here. |
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the first knc miner was shipped on October the third, just saying.
This information was provided by the seller. We will check the seller and item once again, thank You. This ad will be switched off while checking. |
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Cool site. However why did you choose USD as the default currency? Why not bitcoin? I know you guys accept bitcoin but it should be the currency you see on the main page. Just my opinion. Still a cool site and I think I'll be trying it out soon  One of the ideas was to offer buyers stable and unchangeable price. Bitcoin value is permanently changes. It is good both for sellers and buyers - buyers won't overpay but sellers won't loose money if bitcoin value falls. At present time sellers agreed with us. If for some of the seller will be in principle to sell in bitcoins - we will post listing in bitcoins. |
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We will continue work on this project and try to improve it.
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We aren't saying we don't need your great hardware and pricing. We're saying it looks too good to be true. Hardware like this would have made it to the market already unless this project is maintained by a pac.
Anyway. It looks too good to be true. Lets see some more evidence of satisfied customers. But that's difficult due to your low quantity of items.
Low quantity is just because we have just started this project. I had to sell my own miner for less than I could get - simply to get at least one feedback... Anyway tomorrow I will talk with my guys about closing of the project, but I really hope, that buyer of my miner is from this community... |
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It is pretty common knowledge that anyone can throw together a website (like yours) through a simple website builder like (wix.com), as you have; and therefore your "team" and "web-master" are irrelevant because if you need multiple people to accomplish this, you are doing something wrong. Not accepting any escrow but from yourself? Using an anonymous proxy service to host through GoDaddy? This reads SCAM all over it and I am sure most will agree.
- Anyone can - nobody does. - Our team is not so professional to create super web-site on php and so on. - This project is created as escrow service - GoDaddy has lowest price for domain names This domain name was registered YESTERDAY.
WHOIS protection.
WIX.COM was used for development/hosting
Uses generic stock photos
Only accepts bitcoin as payment and does the escrow by themselves?
Their phone county code is from Latvia
Sounds like a scam put together overnight.
- Where is the problem, that domain name was registered yesterday? - Yes, protected. Why should we let anybody know and use our personal information? - Where is the problem that we use PAID Wix.com hosting? - Yes, Google hosted mail. It can be paid by months, not for whole year like on GoDaddy. Where is the problem? P.S. I can call scammer everybody here who didn't had any deal yet, but is trying to do. You all blame, that we need to inform people about bitcoins, that we need to project related with bitcoins, that we need to do something... At the same time - instead of helping in project development you push new projects deep in to shit... P.P.S Tomorrow project will be closed... Thank You... I have no bitcoins. How do u accept usd payments
We thought about that, but as nobody needs our project it is going to be closed... |
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MY biggest concern aside of not getting the miner at all, is to get something not as advertised and then how to prove it.
This is my concern as well. What happens for example if I order a KNC Jupiter and find that it is only hashing at 235 ghash or something like many on the KNC forums are reporting. How would I prove that this is the case and how would you handle it? What if something is damaged during shipping? Answer for first question - few posts higher. Read more carefully. All questions about the seller and his offered product are verified by our team. We take all responsibility for the products we list. If something goes wrong - buyer receives paid coins + compensation from seller(0.5BTC) and our team(0.5BTC). Any mistake will cause our profit loose, so we are not interested in such mistakes. You should not worry about that. Every parcel must be well packed and insured. |
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Заказ 20597.
Вы в выходные не работаете?
Уважаемый mikefdm, наш сервис работает 24/7, но некоторые направления могут обрабатываться как в автоматическом, так и в ручном режиме, список этих направлений постоянно меняется по мере доработки сервиса, либо возникновения/решения технических проблем с определенными направлениями, в связи с чем оперативно оповещать клиентов об этих изменениях возможности пока нет, поэтому было принято решение установить срок проведения обменов до 3-х суток. Однако, если любой обмен создается в рабочие дни, то с большой долей вероятности он будет обработан либо автоматически в течение нескольких минут (практически все ЭПС), либо в полуавтоматическом режиме от получаса до 12 часов (вывод на банки). Что же касается заказа #20597 - со стороны сервиса он был проведен в первый после выходных день, если долгое время не было зачисления, вероятно, он не был обработан в банке так быстро, как этого хотелось обеим сторонам. Так вы под окошком с курсом валют сделайте маленькое окошко в котором просто указывайте - на сегодняшнее число в ручном режиме обрабатываются следующие направления - и перечисление направлений. А то на окошко с отзывами место и время есть, а вот оповестить людей для удобства - нету. Не надо бояться, что клиент увидев это побежит к другому оператору обмена. Наоборот, он будет видеть, что о нем заботятся и даже если в этот день он не совершит обмен, то все равно вернется в другой день, вместо того, чтобы получить неготивный осадок и никогда больше не возвращаться. Клиент скорее испугается ваших 3-ех суток... Это не наезд... так, пища для размышления... Надеюсь учтете. |
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По второму кругу пошли или предыдущие обсуждения не читали? Если будет что то типа http://www.uecard.ru то нужно РАДОВАТЬСЯ, одна карта на всю ту кипу бумаги, что сейчас с радостью требуют чиновники. Но круто не сама карта, а то что в местах ее приема придется устанавливать узел подключения к централизованной базе данных, в которой уже будет доступна вся необходимая информация. Вам нравится при каком либо оформлении чего либо в 100500-ый раз заполнять свои паспортные данные, вместо того чтобы вставить свою карту в картридер? Вам не надоело делать миллион ксерокопий кучи документов? Вам нравится таскать с собой кучу бумажных документов вместо ОДНОЙ карты? Сейчас это законодательно запрещено, но технически, при потере такой карты вы можете ее получить в считанные минуты в любом отделении того же сбербанка (он кстати официальный эмитент, выпускающий эти карты) - это же очень круто! А дальше будет только лучше, онлайн госуслуги будут качественно расширяться, в идеале сводя все отношения с клиентами до - 'Прочтите вот это и для согласия проведите картой по картридеру в вашем компьютере и нажмите эту кнопочку'. Нам вообще не нравится идентификация. И чиновники тоже не нравятся. И паспорта давно пора в топку. Никакое имущество не должно быть привязано к личности, также не должны фиксироваться перемещения и т.д. А мир кстати катится в противоположную сторону. Проблема в том, что мы этому потворствуем... Сами же катим... |
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MAny thanks for your answers, I'am sutisfied with them. I hope you did not misunderstund my post as a warning to stay away off your site. Just an opposite, wanted to get some clearification as a potential buyer. MY biggest concern aside of not getting the miner at all, is to get something not as advertised and then how to prove it. There should be a way of you being able to confirm both seller and the buyer, tehnology would make it posible. Seller record boxing and buyer unboxing is also posibillity. Any idea I have will share by pm. Wish you best in this service  p.s. Sorry for my English too I understand and I was awaiting questions... We will be happy to hear any ideas how to make our project more secure. Great thanks for all members who are helping us. |
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Как остановить бешенный принтер? Выдрать кабель питания, можно и сразу в окно... |
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It will affect, but as already mentioned - in long term.
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Hello Nice site, can you please advice why is only one general picture from the seller, examle is jupiter with public knc jupiter. How we can verify does seller has the miner before we pay to the escrow? What to do if we receive the miner what does not work or something as not as advertised? Seller can claim many things, but think about it, buyer want the miner for the price he already paid, so buyer does not a reason to lie. Some specific escrow fine print must be published. Also can you accept escrow agnet from this forum (sebastian ju, john k etc) Sorry, but you as a escrow agent are still not safe to use. Thanks for answers All questions about the seller and his offered product are verified by our team. We take all responsibility for the products we list. If something goes wrong - buyer receives paid coins + compensation from seller(0.5BTC) and our team(0.5BTC). Any mistake will cause our profit loose, so we are not interested in such mistakes. You should not worry about that. Pictures in the listings were taken from the i-net for better web-site look. About buyers - You think so? Lets take for example eBay - a lot of scammers who wants to get both - product and money. So even buyer has reason to lie. If miner does not work buyer must contact us and send it to us as fast as possible. If we check and miner doesn't work - we refund escrow + compensation + additional shipping fee for sending it to our team. All further questions with seller - it's our problems. We think 1 BTC is quite enough compensation for such unconveniences(if not - let us know). BUT! If miner is in working order and all as advertised all fees + compensation to us and seller + additional shipping costs will be deducted from buyers payment, left amount will be returned to the buyer. We have just started our service and it is in testing now. As You can see, bitcointalk members help us to find and correct mistakes in our source(again many thanks for such help!). Project is still in development stage. If You have some ideas, how to improove our escrow terms or something like that, please contact me via PM with Your offer. Maybe we will offer some kind of bonus for helping us in project development. If You think that I or our team will create such project, loose time, loose some amount of money, for 1-2 scam sales - You are wrong. If You think that our team is still not so safe to use - nobody force You to use our source. You can sit and wait till we get enough reputation to make You trust us. If You have any more questions - feel free... P.S. And sorry if there are some grammatic mistakes in my writings. My english is not so good yet. |
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We bought domain name through GoDaddy, because there is much cheaper than in other places and our so called "web-master" told me to switch that option on. If it will change something - we can try to switch it off. Am I the only one that cant see the left hand listings fully?
I use firefox/win7 and it's scrolled as far left but most of the listing is off the screen.
I'm using ff/win7 - no problems. Try "Ctrl" + "-". I'll call our "web-master" to check it out, maybe something is wrong. Thank You for discovering possible problem. |
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Этим уродам счас расширяют полномочия - скоро им суды не потребуются вообще, у самих полномочий будет больше...
Вот-вот. Скажут - выполняй. Не знаю, сможете ли вы связать мою информацию с данной темой, но все-таки расскажу. Похожим способом расширяют полномочия и у нас в Латвии. Если раньше было, что если тебе пришло заказное письмо и с почты прислали уведомление(забрать его, если вдруг тебя не оказалось дома, когда почтальон приходил) и в итоге письмо до адресата не дошло(то-есть адресат просто не забрал, проигнорировал или в силу каких либо обстоятельств не знал о письме, в следствии чего и не получил его), то неявка в тот же суд затягивала процесс - без истца или ответчика суд состояться не может. То сейчас стало все на много проще - с момента отправки заказного письма оно считается полученым на 8-ой день. Соответственно - не явился, сам виноват, мы известили - ты не пришел. Благодаря этому изменению в законе списалось очень много дел в судах, но так же страдает очень много людей теперь. Но в нашей стране правительство на людей плюет, ему все равно, что в большинстве случаев теперь вердикт суда просто ложен. да у нас тоже наглеют - нашего депутата например вообще не пустили на выборы, дела шить пытаются... Выход тут только один - создавать параллельные назависимые властные народные структуры. Со своими решениями и исполнителями - можно ведь даже и киллеров использовать с пользой, не все же им на бандитов работать... Слепили дело - нет проблем. Народ собрался и пересмотрел все, а за одно и такого судью заказали наказали... А по-другому это издевательство над законом уже не остановить. Vladimir PS если и это не поможет - то есть и более быстрые решения  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320062Есть более простой способ - их всех к стенке и наповал наказать. А после объявить - будет повторение нынешней ситуации или хоть шаг в эту сторону - повторим. И не с одним - а со всем созывом. Сами начнут среди самих себя искоренять отступников... |
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