How many you need ?

Refund 7 processed (with everyone who've posted above) : https://blockchain.info/tx/95cd844411b56d903316a189629c3b4313fd06cc6614301096692c8fd32aa82f

Please post here if you're still not refunded. (as you're not in either spreadsheet which I've already refunded)


I have refunded prodigits 4 btc in place of ragingazn628 for the shares he admitted above, the rest of the claims will come when an agreement is reached/we figure out who's right and wrong here.

No problems - the delay for the past month is certainly my fault here.

In regard to ragingazn's personal refunds, I am still holding to that due to emails I have obtained from prodigits7. I will not post his email directly, but I ask that he show up in this thread to clarify his claims against ragingazn here.

Everyone else with an address should be refunded here, otherwise please PM me so that I can clear that up.

Great news guys. John just emailed me saying he was busy with midterms, but will be back online tomorrow to process the remaining refunds.

I wasn't accusing, but it's odd that your exact payment was paid to some address; I presume John K. set it aside.

As per the 32 sample chip issue, I think it's quite fair that the amount of chips were taken from OP and split amongst buyers here, but note that in other GB's the sample chips weren't in the equation when the refunds were made. I'm open for discussion on this though.

I agree that those chips were group property, and raging does not deny that he appropriated them. Payment for those chips seems very reasonable, especially given how timely they were.

Im aware and appreciate john ks existence, Im just saying raging more or less blatantly tried to steal our chips (he stole 20 already) and since we did everything to prevent it, he wants his entire share back as a fallback. Isn't it suspicious that he's never on, except when money is at stake for him? we paid for john k. to prevent exactly what he did, and now that we have some of his funds, I think it's only fair we subtract johns fee from raging's investment.

Also, as much as I love John k, we resorted to having to use group buy members to facilitate the transaction/cancellation. I understand both sides of the argument, namely that raging is saying "The price is 1.5% higher so that if I scam you, you get your money back." but when he actually does, isn't it fair that he pay for the 1.5%? I understand it could have very well have been a poor set of circumstances and that he might not have tried to scam us, but my opinion is totally opposed to that when he magically becomes healthy enough to post on the forums, something he was incapable of doing while he had control of over 50,000 dollars in hardware coming to him and had endless queries asking chip statuses. The only time he ever posted was when he was in serious risk of losing his chips

-just moved in to my house, that's why I was gone, relax
-death in the family, sorry Im still ok to do this
-therapist told me to separate myself from the internet, everything is still fine
-Oh there's a refund? ok, give me all my money back then...

Obviously he doesn't deserve the 1% so he's not going to argue for that, but he'll be damned if he comes out of this with less than what he put in after all the work he's gone through failing to scam us. I was ok with all of this so far, since I talked to prodigits a few times on skype. That was until raging said he gave the sample chips that were decidedly not his to prodigits7, a personal friend of his he wants to repay for doing damage control on his kncminer groupbuy. I'd value the chips at over 4 btc total since they were shipped months ago. So if raging feels like he can pay prodigits, why not pay the people doing damage control here? I honestly wouldn't really care if raging would just pay for the 1.5% escrow fee, but he's gonna try to profit on this failed groupbuy by double dipping in the chips and the full amount of the refund? screw that.

except for the sample chips... Can you pay for john k's escrow fee/ the people who took over since you kinda failed as a group buy organizer...

Can do.  However, should raging get his original 1%?  He fucking bounced.  I vote he gets jack shit.  John K deserves his cut, but raging just kind of left us holding the bag here.

I think the spreadsheet that I've posted contains all the pertinent information.  I understand that bitcoin was the measurement, and not chips (although why that was is beyond me; it's a lot easier to split bitcoin than chips).  This is why my sheet contains rounded information as well, since we couldn't feasibly split chips.  I can fancy it up and add exact btc amounts as well, to make sure everything adds up.

Cursory examination of the google doc on OP shows total chips to be 10851.83, or 10836 if all values are truncated.



This spreadsheet is a mess.  Note to all; colors in spreadsheets are not a good way to show data.  It doesn't always sort properly, and it makes it difficult to include cells in subsequent calculations.  For instance, a bunch of these rows are red.  Does that mean they aren't included?  

Ugh.  I've got my work cut out for me.

Edit: Evidently chip sales were represented at the end of the spreadsheet.  All's well.  I'm copying to a new spreadsheet to get rid of some of the crazy clutter.

Whew, I confirm that I've received the refund from Avalon to my address. Thank you everyone here for being patient and going through this - hopefully we can set this behind us in no time after I get a completed list and have time. Hopefully I can complete this before/on the weekends.

Hi OP - do you still have a link for this project?  I was an early user/donor and would like to try it out again.