Also, while we're on the topic of the value, what is the full value of a loaded coin like the ones that BTCC offer?
Should you include the value of the Bitcoins on the coin? There is no Bitcoin on the coin, since Bitcoin is not a physical entity. The loaded value of the coin is nothing but letters on a piece of paper, does that mean that the 'value' of this paper should be marked? If so, what should it be marked as? If I stuck a piece of paper containing my bank details onto a piece of metal and shipped it, does that mean that I would have to declare the amount in my bank account as the value?
Let's assume that you do mark the Bitcoins as part of the value, what value would you mark it as? The value of the Bitcoin at the time you are sending it? If so, let's assume that between the UK and US borders the package gets lost for 3 months. In that 3 months, the price of 1 Bitcoin rises by $200. The person shipping that coin from the UK would then be committing tax evasion because the declared price is not the actual value of the coins loaded, correct?
Now let's get onto the metal. How would you value it? As far as spot price, the titanium on a BTCC coin would be worth a few dollars at absolute maximum. Do you include the workmanship put into the coin? If so, who's to value the workmanship put into that coin? BTCC values it at about 0.15BTC, which has the same problem as I mentioned previously with BTC. Also, what if I (or the person shipping it) thinks the workmanship is worth more/less?

Then don't; request for the full value to be listed on the package.

I don't know who finally edited my name out of that post, but thank you. Seattle420, if it was you, then let me know by PM and I will remove the negative rating I left you.

Bare in mind that I will check that it was actually you who did it by checking with the mods of this section, so don't attempt to lie to me.

BTCC are doing the same by not declaring the BTC value on the invoice. This is well known but yet you show interest in the coins. Aren't you being hypocritical by blaming Zepher for it?

As for your "getting in trouble for tax evasion", you would have had the choice of having them declared full value, or just the basic material value.

In the first case, you would be fully insured, and would likely have customs and import fees to pay. In the second, you would not be covered insurance wise, and the items would be declared at their basic metal value.

Why you felt the need to post my name in a public forum, is very annoying, and it breaks my privacy. I would appreciate that being edited out. As a result, I will be tagging you for doing that. You didn't NEED to post that - hell, you didn't need to post anything, because I told you I wasn't doing it anyway. I'll post the PM soon.

Edit 2: Also, what you wanted to buy was the coins I had personally listed for sale: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1786017.0

This has nothing to do with reshipping, nor am I breaking any laws by selling my own coins.

Edit 3: You posted this:


A newbie to this forum does not know how to do that with the I am not sure what you are trying to say? There is a button on every page to insert a hyperlink. It is not like this place is the only place that BB code is used. There are thousands of forums that utilize BB code.

Hey there,

I ship these as "Titanium Coins" or "Collectible Coins" or "Novelty Tokens" (you get the point!) with a value of $25 each. There is no mention of the word "Bitcoin". I must have shipped 100 packages containing loaded coins, and not one has ever been stopped. You won't have an issue.

So, to answer your questions, no, you won't have anything extra to pay apart from the 4.425 BTC as I don't declare Bitcoin value.

I will ship these on Monday via UPS Express 48hr, so you will have these by end of day on Wednesday. I'll actually pay that bit extra to guarantee delivery by 10:30am on Wednesday morning. So, you'll have these pretty quick

Check my feedback so you know you are dealing with a serious collector and trader, and someone who has competency in what they do. I am also part of the Default Trust (DT) on the forum under Blazed.

Hope that answers everything (and more haha).

Kind Regards,

B