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1  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wallet Hack on 4/25 on: April 29, 2013, 01:30:01 AM
Update - after speaking some more with my affected customer I am no longer convinced his password was indeed strong enough.

Maybe passwords were brute-forced after all? silvereagle - just how strong was your password?

Will be happy to hear about any progress in figuring this out.

Alias was very short so may have been hackable.  Password was 15 characters long but made up of multiple words that may have been found in dictionary.  Possible but permutations to put that many words together would still be extremely high.
2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hack at 6:22pm EST on: April 27, 2013, 11:23:58 PM

so you seem to think they are getting passwords and usernames and alot of people use the same on diff sites...!



that wouldn't be the case with me though Jubalix - I used a unique alias and unique password on blockchain.info - couldn't have pulled it from anywhere else.
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wallet Hack on 4/25 on: April 27, 2013, 02:27:44 PM
So, interesting development this morning.  I shut down the wallet I had with blockchain.info yesterday after it was potentially compromised and decided to just start with a fresh new wallet hosted there.  Very strong password, different identifier.  Java not installed on my machine and scanned for malware.

Received this this morning -- from blockchain.info notification:

Authorize log-in attempt
An attempt to login to your blockchain.info wallet was made from an unknown browser. Please confirm the following details are correct:
Time: 2013-04-27 07:17:42
IP Address: 77.109.138.42 (Switzerland)
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.Cool Gecko/20051111 Firefox/1.5
If the above details are correct please use the following login link:
https://blockchain.info/wallet/[blocked out for obvious reasons]
If this login attempt was made by you this email can be safely ignored however you may wish to change your wallet alias.

and this...

An attempt to login to your blockchain.info wallet was made from an unknown browser. Please confirm the following details are correct:
Time: 2013-04-27 08:38:09
IP Address: 5.9.121.38 (Germany)
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.Cool Gecko/20051111 Firefox/1.5
If the above details are correct please use the following login link:
https://blockchain.info/wallet/[blocked out for obvious reasons]
If this login attempt was made by you this email can be safely ignored however you may wish to change your wallet alias.

Apparently there is still some sort of malware out there attempting to hack the blockchain.info service.  Machine was clean when I set this new wallet up, only way I think they could've possibly found the address is through scanning potential aliases.  Admittedly, my alias is a plain word so possible they could've just tried brute force finding an alias that would lead them to identifier and tried to log in from there.  Otherwise, can't imagine how they would've gotten it.  Just a lead for PIUK to follow if he's interested in trying to button up security on the site.


4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wallet Hack on 4/25 on: April 27, 2013, 02:40:06 AM
I read a thread like this and it just blows my mind that anyone thinks that Bitcoin will ever move away from a fringe casino hobby.

I would side with you at times on this Shinobi, but then you need to really step back and realize the lack of understanding of most things that people engage with on a daily basis.  You use VISA and pay your bill at the end of every month, but very very very few people understand the mechanics behind credit card transactions, payments via the ACH rails or anything else involved with day to day financial life in 2013.  Yet there are trillions of dollars spent each year by people typing in their passwords to online bank accounts and pull pieces of plastic out of their wallet that is representative of fiat money (which is a whole other rabbit hole altogether). 

I think there is something behind this, otherwise I wouldn't be wasting my time here. What will happen (and you can see it starting slowly) is that VC money, independent development and ingenuity with start to develop tools that will isolate the average end user from the complexity while still giving them the benefit fo the technology.  It has already begun with services like blockchain.info aggregating wallets and providing cloud based services.  It will eventually progress to hardware based tools (similar to the RSA key fob many people used to have at offices) and move on from there.  Long BTC public addresses will be replaced by alias services (how? I'm not sure, but they will) and people will slowly become accustomed to using this a method of money transport.  I could certainly be mistaken but it has attracted enough interest and has engaged enough people's aspirations that even if the current instance of BTC doesn't make it to prime-time, something similar will.

I once read that all it takes is for 10% of the population to be extremely excited about something (whether it be a fashion, technology, fad, etc) and it will become mainstream (given the average persons indifference and apathy).  While I don't think we're at the tipping point yet, the ideals behind this project is resonant enough with a population in turmoil to energize that portion of the population and turn this truly into a movement.
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wallet Hack on 4/25 on: April 26, 2013, 08:01:30 PM
OP, might make sense for a thread like this to be called "blockchain.info hack" instead of "bitcoin hack". The latter is somewhat misleading.

Yeah, can I change it after the fact?  Realized that after I did it and it's definitely misleading.  Nothing wrong with the protocol or bitcoin in general - more apropot would be wallet hack.

I think you can just edit your original post (at the top of this thread), and change the subject.

Tried to change original post.  Dont' want to single out blockchain.info as source in fairness to piuk as it could've easily been a java exploit - don't think we've gotten to bottom of it yet.
6  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hack at 6:22pm EST on: April 26, 2013, 07:52:04 PM
For 0.78 BTC you just got a very inexpensive lesson in security.  Don't let those coins be spent for naught.

Agree.  Already had cold storage so was trying to be diligent, just hadn't moved since withdrawing from BTC-e.  Definitely have learned a lesson.  Keep hot balances low and only access bitcoin-qt from clean/sandboxed computer that I don't do my daily surfing on to avoid any type of java/javascript exploits.  Recommend the same for others.

I also just uninstalled java from my machine.
7  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hack at 6:22pm EST on: April 26, 2013, 07:49:47 PM
OP, might make sense for a thread like this to be called "blockchain.info hack" instead of "bitcoin hack". The latter is somewhat misleading.

Yeah, can I change it after the fact?  Realized that after I did it and it's definitely misleading.  Nothing wrong with the protocol or bitcoin in general - more apropot would be wallet hack.
8  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hack at 6:22pm EST on: April 26, 2013, 07:48:23 PM
For 0.78 BTC you just got a very inexpensive lesson in security.  Don't let those coins be spent for naught.

Agree.  Already had cold storage so was trying to be diligent, just hadn't moved since withdrawing from BTC-e.  Definitely have learned a lesson.  Keep hot balances low and only access bitcoin-qt from clean/sandboxed computer that I don't do my daily surfing on to avoid any type of java/javascript exploits.  Recommend the same for others.
9  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hack at 6:22pm EST on: April 26, 2013, 01:18:37 PM
Looks like someone had a busy day yesterday.  Traced where some of my funds went and over 2500 BTC got dumped into this account all yesterday after being routed bunch of different places.

https://blockchain.info/address/16WcStW5Mef1KrmyC9pMBKzKdp5RFsFxjo
10  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hack at 6:22pm EST on: April 26, 2013, 10:31:15 AM
When you say "hot wallet" do you just mean one linked to the Internet? Online wallet? What are the limitations of an offline wallet?

By 'hot' i mean one connected to the network that can be used to send and receive.  'Cold' storage usually means setting up a key you can store things then printing out a paper wallet or something similar and not having the private key/wallet accessible by any means on your computer.
11  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hack at 6:22pm EST on: April 26, 2013, 01:53:32 AM
Actually been on here for just about a year - just never had any reason or desire to post until recently.
12  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Blockchain.info Unauthorized Withdraw on: April 26, 2013, 01:51:38 AM
silvereagle

elrodvoss

have both of you contacted PIUK (the guy behind blockchain.info) he might be able to help you out more
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17928

also is there any other places that you BOTH imported your private keys into.

maybe you both downloaded a rogue program that keylogged you both and decided today was the day to take some funds.
as the transaction reveals that someone somewhere has both of your private keys in one wallet. so check with each other if you both use any other mobile app wallets or other things, even check where you both downloaded your miners or qt clients from.

i think silvereagle said in another thread he had his email hacked and had his blockchain compromised ages ago before this loss, has elrodvoss had previous losses?

seems strange 2 "noobs" have had losses due to this same attack and no key/long established member's have claimed losses.(yet)


Just interacted with PIUK on the other thread we've been discussing this in - the one I started.  Ideally just looking to determine which apps I can trust again.
13  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hack at 6:22pm EST on: April 26, 2013, 01:49:54 AM
re: casascius -- you are correct, I didn't lose 500+ coins.  I only lost 0.78, still stings given I haven't been at this for long and don't have a ton, but you were right to think that through versus jumping to conclusion like SgtSpike did.  Signed a message for him proving him wrong and never heard back.

re: Piuk --  I'm PM'd the other user to see if we were sharing any apps.  Would be difficult to go through everything or what we've downloaded to ensure no keyloggers, but...

    Do you have a bitcoin app on your android phone?  Yes - BitcoinSpinner
    Do you have a blockchain.info wallet holding the address in question?  Yes.
    If you have a blockchain wallet do you use a public alias the same as your bitcointalk, bitcoin-otc or irc username?  No. Separate name and separate password.
    Do you have accounts on one of the following sites: BTC-e, bitcoin-central or mining.bitcoin.cz? Account on BTC-e
    Do you reuse the same wallet password on different websites (specifically the above sites)?  Different passwords
    Do you read the BTC-e chat box?  Can't say I "read" it but messages are flashing up all the time while I'm on the site.
    Does your browser have Java enabled? http://isjavaenabled.com  -- Tough call on this one.  I've been running noscript for a week or so on Firefox on a fresh install, so should be protected there, but have had that address for a while and know I was on btc-e prior to installing noscript, so all depends when person would gotten my privkey.


14  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hack at 6:22pm EST on: April 26, 2013, 12:32:32 AM
Well, i learned my lesson.  Having access on phone is nice so i can transfer when I'm not in front of my machine at home, but agree that's only good for limited amounts.  Fortunately, I've lurked here long enough to learn about cold storage and how to set that up disconnected from network so I'm safe.  I PM'd the other guy that got hacked in the same transaction but haven't hear back yet.  Right now it would appear blockchain.info is the common factor, but if he was running same program on phone I'd probably consider that another possible weak link.

New wallet, one location. 
15  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Blockchain.info Unauthorized Withdraw on: April 25, 2013, 11:44:17 PM
That's the same address mine went to.
16  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hack at 6:22pm EST on: April 25, 2013, 11:35:39 PM
have the bitcoin-qt client (behind firewall and encrypted wallet), blockchain.info (pretty tough password) and also have the address on my phone using bitcoinspinner for android (could be weak link).
17  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hack at 6:22pm EST on: April 25, 2013, 11:21:10 PM
Address in question is 1HHwDwxpeq4ZxRDE3TDNVfhT6jyj6Cx6nE

I don't have nearly 500 BTC.  That's what is screwed up.  Only one of the accounts on that list is from me which seems very odd given not sure how transfers from multiple separate accounts could be under one transaction. 

SgtSpike - Just went back and re-read my original post.  Don't recall asking for handouts.  Just trying to do public service.  Don't jump down my throat.

GyFo+kcxewu+KG51xxXHI+JFOhnpXX0oSr08QzWV22im9mnD1ksVAKxxq7VYkyXR+7tqHczO8DZS94PK7UPJ30w=
18  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hack at 6:22pm EST on: April 25, 2013, 11:06:53 PM
Understated given I never keep more than .5 BTC in a hot account.  Pissed, yes.  Extremely. But could've been a whole lot worse.  I have the address both locally on a bitcoin client and on blockchain.info.  Can't rule out either it was a hack on my system, but i keep everything pretty tied down.
19  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Wallet Hack on 4/25 on: April 25, 2013, 10:53:26 PM
Just finished dinner and checked to find one of my hot accounts had been cleared of Bitcoin in a transaction at 6:22.  Block just had first confirmation 30 minutes later, must not have paid a fee on it.  Not sure if this is blockchain.info related or not, but here's the address:

https://blockchain.info/address/1JKJdYSZNrWSca1b9ajejdmjuqooE7TLFr

Sucks, but my guess is this is all gone.  Anyway of getting back?  From my understanding, no, but huge score for whoever pulled this off.  Jerk off.
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