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1  Economy / Economics / Re: What is wrong with our society and what can each of us do about it? on: April 22, 2011, 05:58:22 AM
The modularity and anonymity of current money hides real things. So the ecology (system of things) is not well represented by the economy (system of names (of things)). Abstraction on abstraction, not evil, but evil made easy. I have been wondering if money has outgrown the individual, in the sense that the large pool of money, and the larger corporate scale essentially outclass the individual human in such a way that maybe it has just "transcended" utility in our scope. This would be a funny way for humanity to give up day-to-day money, let the corporates have it, as long as they are taking good care of certain human practicalities this would work well... less in my hair, and alot more efficiently, as we not need maintain a commodified overhead on every thing, thought, and handshake; who wants to log receipts anyway? The exposed transaction of BitCoinage makes it a better currency for this higher corporate purpose. So maybe we should work on that?
2  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: [RFC] Bitcoin Payment URI scheme on: April 21, 2011, 10:24:55 PM
Vladimirs scheme looks straightforwards and useful to me. Though I would add an action param to make this clear it was a "Send". (SEND/RECV)
The scheme needs actions, a way to do more than just send. I don't worry too much about the human readable part, but it is nice when all human legible parts are clustered together. Also, To you guys, the bitcoin address probably jumps out as such, but to most, it looks like scrambled eggs. So I would probably put the amount after the address. It does seem good to have some sort of version number in there, essentially making clear what url format is in use.  Easy to move forwards by revving the version, easy to handle old requests as they come in tagged.
3  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Desktop App needs "Add Bitcoins" Command on: April 21, 2011, 07:03:41 PM
That is a much better place to send people, sort of. Definitly much more what I was asking for.

In one of my apps, we had a folder full of xml files, each was a pointer to a resource.
These were loaded at run-time into the help menu, and made it easy to add web based resources and features without rewriting app code. Maybe something like that would help here.

Add Coins with CoinPal http://coinpal.ndrix.com/
Getting Started with Bitcoin http://www.weusecoins.com/getting-started.php

IMHO, Even better would be to embed something _like_ the coinpal interface in the client
(10% convenience fee is ridiculous and unworkable. If I ask to be paid in bitcoins it is going to cost me or client extra 10%. Why not just have him deposit into my paypal...)
4  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Desktop App needs "Add Bitcoins" Command on: April 21, 2011, 05:36:46 PM
So pls walk me thru this, helping to document the steps, then we can collapse the chain and add the feature right into the app.
I am 100% sure there are errors in the below. Please copy, correct, and repost whole sequence.

1. Follow link (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade#Currency_exchange) to see grid of exchanges. (App could show this list directly)
2. Follow link to one that has currency I use. (No other avail info is shown. App could show the bitcoin exchange rates with my local currency (w/ exchange API))
3. Open new account on the exchange of my choice. (Steps not shown. Are these services using OpenID?, maybe could skim logins with OpenID or exchange API.)
4. Exchange Cash from my bank account into Bitcoins in my exchange account. (Now I have two places to keep my bitcoins?!?)
5. Send those bitcoins to my bitcoin address. (Again from the exchange UI, unless there is a way for app to gain exchange credentials.)
6. Now I have bitcoins to spend from my local client.

This is pretty complex, a lot of hurdles making a real barrier to entry and widespread adoption by naive end-userz who read a wired article.
Having a choice of exchanges makes sense from a big money perspective, but none whatsoever as an end user.
It took my brain a good WTF minute to figure out what that grid was, let alone the implied steps I need to take next.

So how to add exchange services in the app?
If there is a "best" broker that can exchange most first world currencies for you, then integrate them directly into your client asap and give them some props. (Skip steps 1,2,3, go directly to bank)
You can generalize it later -- if there is not already a good api that can be used with all exchanges to simply present their dialogs in the app.

As long as the system is dependant on multiple UI's to use it (client and exchange) it will be useful only to a skilled class of users. (I would end up using the exchange interface actually, and skip the local client. Keep my bitcoins in the cloud.) Regular people need simple well organized interfaces made to do the things they want to do and not much more, as iOS apps have demonstrated well. Bitcoins, is there an App for that?

I should add here, that I am a UI-UX Developer/Designer  just waltzing into Bitcoin. So thanks for listening to my "out-of-your-box" perspective. I appreciate the insane amount of low-level details that need to be handled to even get to having a grid of exchanges that is too complex for me to have an immediate and clear basis of choice. Good Going!


5  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Desktop App needs "Add Bitcoins" Command on: April 21, 2011, 05:25:28 AM
Bytecoin gets it...
Since new users often miss obvious things, it's important to make features clear and simple.

Currently, in the app there no way to, nor help on, converting my funds into usable bitcoins.

There must be some current best way to do that, what is it?
If the app can do it, it should, otherwise do the next best thing, or at least give me, mr. clueless, a clue how to go do it.
As I said, toss me to a web page, or a directory of bitcoin conversion services or whatever you are using now.

And I certainly am not asking what card validation service works best with the bitcoin api. New users won't be writing their own clients.

Presumably, the current bitcoin client I have been running is there to provide me some sort of bitcoin utility, maybe that is my mistake...
If I can't put cash in, then probably no one else can. Eventually someone may send me another nickel, and then I might give someone a dime.
Possibly they could accrue into a large usable pile before monetary inflation and hard drive failures evaporate them...

6  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Desktop App needs "Add Bitcoins" Command on: April 21, 2011, 01:45:41 AM
Sorry if this is a noob question, but it still seems valid, as a UI-UX App design question...

As a new user wanting/expecting a single point of entry for all this, there is nowhere in the desktop App to "Add Bitcoins" to my account, so assuming I owe someone money, and they have a bitcoin address I can transcribe, where do I add money to send them? Right now I all I have is my .05 from the nice robot.

And even if the function is not in the app, the app can still throw to the website or where ever makes sense to get convert $ into bitcoins.

Thanks for listening.
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