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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Coin that motivate sellers on: February 19, 2018, 07:32:33 PM
this is a project a started developing in 2013, and it has a serval good reason why.

The growth and development of Crypto with time brought not only
a new technology to the world, but also various scams.

a supposedly legendary digital cash without chargeback became an ideal honeypot for scammers

you can't deal with all the problems but I was trying to do something with the most  of them
and it's not going to eliminate all the scams but at least it will motivate to do things more legit
and better faster service(including packing and shipping the product fast and good as possible)
and at least motivate people to use their crypto instead of holding (today it HODL) but yet it still gives the answer
and return the true property to cryptocurrency as digital cash as currency.


SCAM SITES
scam sites that present their self as a legit website, and that you buying something but you never receive it
and it's just another bogus trade transaction.





PHISHING SCAMS
pretending to be some other famous  website, that once again when you buying something you first send the money
and only then receive your goods but because it's a phishing site you losing your money and not receiving any of the goods.


MALICIOUS  JAVA CODE INJECTIONS
injecting java code that replacing coin address on the website and you just sending your coins to some scammers, without realizing that.


ESCROW SERVICES
people that supposed ESCROW you deal with the seller and to release your money to the vendor, was running away with your coins after receiving.


STRAIGHT FORWARD BUYING DEAL
Bob wants to sell computer for  X coins to Alice sending the coins
Bob said he shipped and give her tracking number Alice happy thinking that her new computer on her way
and happily giving Bob her Coins, but for her surprise, she received an empty envelope and not a package.


THE SOLUTION
chargeback, you can buy safer knowing that if you bought something over the net
and it didn't ship or fake shipped,  similar to PayPal or you sent to wrong address you can create a dispute case and claim your money back.


Although  this solved the majority of the problems, this is creating another problem
the decentralized become centralized and you need a third party involved and that is not good
and kinda defeats the whole point of cryptocurrency.


and also become sort of place for scammers, I sending Bob coins to buy other coins after receiving them I doing a chargeback
and Bob losing his coins and I remain.

so how can we use our CryptoCurrency and motivate the buyer to buy and the seller to ship or deliver what promise?


THE REAL SOLUTION

to motivate the sellers to ship  give buyer what he paid for and eliminate at least most of the scams

the solution that I start developing in 2013 was "one-way hold" that allows you to send a transaction from A to B
just like you do with all other cryptocurrency but with one exception that change everything:

you can put transaction amount on "hold" and release it after the seller shipped as promised or you receive the promise.

how does it work:

it's a littile bit more complicated than that but in short:
when  putting transaction with "hold" the sender entering passkey and it's added to transaction tx  additional data to block
to release from the hold that can be done only from the same wallet or same private key, after entering the passkey
and sent as subtransaction that miners validate after the validation the balance released from hold

because releasing from transaction it sort of the transaction to avoid spam and pay the miners
releasing and putting on hold have a fee

and this is for 2 manly reasons:

1) avoid spam on the blockchain
2) and since adding additional sha256 pass is additional bytes which
increase the block size to avoid people just sending holds for fun, or without any real use


I sorry for the quality of the video this is the only video I've got from 2013
i sending 15 test coins from wallet A to wallet B
and instead of regular transaction I put hold entering password for this "hold"
wallet B receving the transaction with status "received with hold"
and red lock, the wallet show that the 15 coins is on hold

then I going back to wallet A clicking on the transaction I sent
entering the password and un-hold it wallet B received notification
that the funds released from hold and now  the Status went from
"received with hold" to "received" and changed to green
now wallet B can use this coins




one-way hold  in real life usage:


Alice wants to buy From Bob ps4 Bob knowing the nature of crypto and Alice also
so Bob say first where is my guarantee that you will pay me after I ship?
and Alice say what our my if I paid what are my guarantee that you not going to disappear after the transaction?
so they both agree on soon as Bob see that Alice sent Bob Money
Bob will ship ps4 with tracking number.

Alice sent Bob coins and set that transaction with "one way  hold"
Bob Received coins and waited for 3 transaction confirmations to see it's legit and no double spending.

Bob see that he received coins and they confirmed, so now he knows that Alice send all money as promised

Allice after receiving the PS4  as promise release Bob's coins from hold and Bob able to use it.




The motivation for Seller

Why Scam or phishing?  even that you received your coins  you not able to use the coins until client release from hold after receiving everything as promised
and a motivation to pack it nicely and ship it as fast as he can to release from hold


The motivation for Buyers

upper hand when making a deal online or even offline, and since this is only one-way hold  he already sent the coins
the transaction irreversible even if Alice not going to release from hold her money is already sent she can't reverse the transaction it's only one way hold,  there is no point to not unhold,  unless the seller is a scammer, or she just want to screw him up but still she doesn't get her coins back doing so they are gone forever.

before you say something like: this is maybe a problem what if someone forgot his password what if he doesn't want to release the money
I'm aware of this but I also aware that till this day only one side is capable of doing this and it was always the one who received the coins and from here most of the scams
and those who sent the coins never had an upper hand.
but this time the coins are flipped and both sides have the motivation, to do things right.

I was thinking to implement expiration time i case someone forgot to release from hold
so if you forgot to release the funds after X period of time the hold will be released
but then if you put the hold and didn't release it Deliberately
so after X of time you will receive
a reminder inside your wallet "you didn't release the funds it's about to expires"

and if you choose to ignore than you probably just forgot to release and they will be released automatically
but if you not ignoring and clicking than it remain  with hold because you probably don't want that that person
receive the funds.


in 2013 I stopped  the development  because my hard drive died and because  later when I want to restore the development in 2014 VItalik
introduced the Ethereum and the smart contract concept and begin with crowdfunding theoretically with the smart contracts can eliminate the problems
that I tried to solve but after almost 5 years I still see there is not really a solution for that and even Ethereum
you have the smart contact but does the average consumer or user will able to program this smart contract and use this
and honestly how many people know how to program with Solidity hardcore.
Ethereum is super excellent platform, but it is a programming platform I want to make things easy for daily use.

and for buying and using crypto as currency digital cash over the internet and local shops.


Specifications

it was built upon Litecoin Scrypt and  to be released not pre-mine and fair
since in 2013 most of the coins price was based on trust, remember we talking about 2013
no ICOS' and tokens at that time. in order to give miners a motivation to mine and using this,  coins
I went and drove to other cities and went physically to local shops that are shipping worldwide.

explained the concept I wanted to create online mall for this coin where I put all vendors that agree to accept my coin

some of the vendors that agree

Business Printing- that offered printing solutions business cards flyers promotion products
Gift shop- cool gifts,t-shirts mugs and many other cool stuff
computer and hardware store

I actually contacted again a few days ago and they still willing a specially after hearing all the buzz about bitcoin on the news.
anyway I wanted to create interest  to give coin some value(no ICO and no tokens this is 2013 coin value is worth only with trust)


and the reason I choose scrypt in 2013 was that sha256 was facing already Asic problem
and most of the people can't really afford to invest in Asic
and as for Scrypt there wasn't yet solutions like Asic but you able to mine it with your CPU or GPU
i also was considering quark to restrict only with CPU but i went with Scrypt.

and that seems fair to me to spread that kind of coin that almost every one with a computer able to mine it.

I can tell you about the coin information

 algorithm maximum coins and all other good stuff
but since all my consideration was based on 2013 and the technology and need of that time in 2018 it's useless.

since scrypt is not that effective  and much more interesting algorithms released and people learned many other
things about the technology and uses such the problem with bitcoin block size


so my only question is does the world need another cryptocurrency?
I will answer my self: maybe.

but does the word need cryptocurrency with this concept: definitely yes

so I asking the kind people in this forum

is this worthy to continue developing?
and if so

since almost 5 years past and scrypt is not really an option anymore

if the community say yes that I suggest this time let's create it together

since 5 years a lot have been changed and most of the work needed to be done from scratch to fit 2018 needs

so first we need to select:
the name of the coin
coin algorithm
maximum supply
difficulty
transaction confirmations

and all other essential components that the community wants and need.



and if such function available in another coin that I not familiar well, this why I created this post at least to know if I should continue with this.

and if you do think that this is worthy than I promise to create this in a most transparent way always updating writing blog posting videos on any tiny progress.
something that I till days see not many of coins do.
so please first let me know if it's worthy to continue to develop and to release and I would really like to hear your suggestion.


*update 02.28.2018
since I got my question  answered many people contacted me and in other forums asking to relive this project and to get more information
right now working on first prototype wallet a lot of change since 2013 and the new code is not SCRYPT and based on another algorithm,
also assembling a team, more detailed update will be soon.




2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / why I'm not believing in bitcoin as currency on: February 16, 2018, 11:17:09 AM
I in the crypto world since 2011-2012
and for me as a tech guy more interest in the blockchain technology a special when Namecoin
was released and actually utilized the blockchain for DNS chain, from that point it changes the way
I look at bitcoin and truly understood the power of Blockchain and Cryptocurrency and the future of Bitcoin as currency
and not only investing without understanding what are the benefits and how and why
this sweet digital currency set out to change global finance and the world.


 I think people that in bitcoin after 2016-2017 and maybe 2015 will not understand this post they
look at bitcoin as an only investment and nothing more.
 just started with bitcoin and another crypto because they how the price jumped out and how you can turn "500$ to 4M"youtube videos.
and the tv and media that talked about that.

and people like me before the ICO's and SMART CONTRACTS
and all the exchanges look differently at bitcoin.

we believed that in the futures more bitcoin jobs and people will get paid in bitcoin
and you able to travel around to world with one currency
and pay in local shops

and why did we belived in that?

bitcoin at that time wasn't real for most of the people and the only way to accept
something as a payment or is to put some trust to this
without it, bitcoin is just software on a computer

remember that time most of the people

"what is bitcoin"


so with that believes with time people were willing to accept bitcoin
and invest in this "future money"


for us, bitcoin is  "Bitcoin is peer to peer payment network digital currency "
that will change global finance and the world.

and we going to be part of this huge thing(it's not only about money and investment that time more important was to raise the awareness about bitcoin)

but do bitcoin really doing this in 2018?
are people really using this as currency
are more and more local shops accepting bitcoin(physical store not over the internet)
do we get more job places and people got paid with bitcoins?
do new people look at bitcoin that way or only as a momentum to invest, and make 500$ to 4M?

and this is few of the things we believed at that time

no taxes
since no regulation, it's a coin for the people and minted by the people

failed: more and more countries trying to control and regulate Bitcoin and implement taxes since nowadays you mostly buy bitcoin and not
mining using your pc, we had only 2 options
mine it or
Damn you Mt.gox
and no taxes because of bitcoin was mined by us the people and no ASIC  that time

and bitcoin for the government wasn't real
and it wasn't an investment but some "idiots solving mats stuff with their computer" and as a reward getting some
"crypto Coins" that have no real use and not real money!
it's only in past serval years they change their mind
I talking about 2011-2012, not 2018!

I am not talking about a tax for buying a product with bitcoin but for buying bitcoin, back their how can you pay tax for bitcoin if you mined it with your computer
now you can't you go to exchange and must pay taxes for something that several years ago:

"what is bitcoin"
"it's not real why should I accept it"

fast and instant
you can send even small amount as 1$ instantly to anyone in the world and pay a super ridiculous low fee

failed:

new or average bitcoin user who is holding a few dollars can’t actually use bitcoin as money because the fee is higher than the money they’re holding. (we talking about few dollars not thousands)
if you received your 1 dollar with 100 of small transaction you will pay for the bytes and most likely it will cost you more.


more and more local shops accepting bitcoin

I remember  the first coffee shop in my town accepted bitcoin as
a payment that was for me like buying something for the first time with
my own money, felt like this is the moment all bitcoin
users was waited for

more and more people using bitcoin for daily use in real life
as more shops  accepting bitcoin more users start using them

failed: as the bitcoin network became heavy
and the price of bitcoin went super crazy up
fewer people actually using Bitcoin in daily life
and holding it as casino chip waiting to cash out
as a result of this fewer shops accepting bitcoin
because no one uses them but just holding as an
Investment.

and besides who wants to accept currency
when you just want to buy a coffee and wait
30 minutes to 2 weeks for a transaction
approved depending how much fee you paid

sure if you buying a car you willing to wait 2 days or even weeks
but not when you buying a Fre@king coffee.


Bitcoin is not that fast anymore every one waiting in a queue and competing with a transaction fee
to be the first to validated and there is tons of other that waiting exactly like you.


North American Bitcoin Conference (TNABC) 2018, bitcoin announced they have stopped accepting bitcoin payments for conference tickets due to network fees and congestion.
https://news.bitcoin.com/miami-bitcoin-conference-stops-accepting-bitcoin-due-to-fees-and-congestion/

and the most important of all

One World, One Currency
The supply and minting of a global currency not regulated by a central banking but decentralized,
no age sex or geolocation discrimination Currency for the world people and   minted by the world  people,

it's supposed to be world currency you could travel anywhere on in the world and buy in local shops
and not only over the net.

imagine a world where you can go to your shopping mall and buy an ice cream or ticket to the movie
and then go out with your girlfriend to eat in a restaurant.


Big Epic Failed: do you understand that people no more creating(mining)
this Currency unless you got sh**load of money to buy your self ASIC, and honestly I will not be surprised if we find out that huge corporation  or even some countries owning the majority of huge "ming farms"



So people not using bitcoin the way it should be only as "casino chips"
and this the manly problem with ICO'S scam and any other investment in cryptocurrency.



but there is always a bright side:

with the time Light Network
 going to speed things up, lower the fee's, and  more shops will get back to accepted bitcoin as payment
and maybe in the future, we really going to see more job places that pay their workers with bitcoin.

 but it doesn't solve the problem that people just holding their bitcoins, as "casino chips" and in the right moment cash out.


instead to understand what is actually bitcoin, and how can you use it for your daily life, and of course why.


Bitcoin is blockchain technology that created to be decentralized for to all people around the world and to use &  utilized for their needs to serve a specific  purpose.

And Bitcoin is a  "peer 2 peer payment network" and not only "peer 2 peer Crypto Stock Exchange  network"

and that  applies to all cryptocurrencies
 

3  Local / עברית (Hebrew) / ביטקויין כהוצאה מוכרת on: February 12, 2018, 08:26:27 PM
שלום לכולם, אני הפכתי את האינטרנט דיברתי עם הנציגים של חלק מהחברות שעוסקות בזה כבר שנים בישראל
ולרוב קיבלתי תשובות שלא באמת עונות על השאלה

בשיחתי עם אחת הנציגות של החברה:

"החשבונית היא עבור העמלה והמע"מ"

א- אתם חייבים לגבות מע"מ וגם ככה להביא לי חשבונית על זה, זה לא משאלתי.

ב-רכשתי  ביטקויין בשווי 5000 ש"ח כדי  להשתמש בזה לצרכי העסק, לצורך הדוגמה אני יכול להצהיר על 5000 אלף כהוצעה מוכרת כן או לא?

ואפילו נתתי דוגמה:

אני: במידה ויש לי מאפייה

הנציגה: נו?

אני: אני צריך לאפות לחם נכון?

היא: כן נו יש לך מאפייה הגיוני

אני:  צריך להשתמש בקמח, בשביל להכין אותו, וחשמל ומים, נכון?

היא:כן

אני: ואז אני הולך עם זה לרואה חשבון יכול לדווח על זה כהוצעה מוכרת כי בזה השתמשתי בשביל להכין את הלחם, נכון?
היא כן:
אז  על ביטקויין אני יכול עם חשבונית או קבלה אלקטרונית  שלכם, להכיר כהוצעה מוכרת לצרכי העסק,  עם העסק שלי עוסק בזה?

והתשובה "הדהימה" אותי

"לא יודעת..."

לא אזכיר את שם החברה אבל זה מחיל ב BTC"

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