I need a list of non KYC debit cards we can get.

What do you guys recommend and have used with success?

1st Year -$696.64 USD / -69.664% Unrealised Loss

https://buyandhold100crypto.com/1st-year-696-64-usd-69-664-unrealised-loss/

I intend to file a complaint and have been in touch with the  Delaware Attorney Generals office and they refereed me to the Delaware investor protection agency which I got redirected to voicemail where I left my contact info to get the ball rolling.

There are many issues with Polo the last year but this one is the final straw. After sending out emails stating that they would be requiring KYC but the users would have a period to withdraw if unwilling or unable to provide KYC then they would be allowed to withdraw funds. Well to no ones surprise they have lied and have frozen accounts that do not comply to their demands of verification. Whether this is legal or not is not the basis for my complaint. although I am sure there is legal recourse in here as well.

My complaint, and where I believe Poloniex is liable, is in order to access your funds to withdraw and not use their service they are forcing their users to agree to waive their legal rights.

I am not a lawyer but as far as I understand that it is a form of extortion.

You must agree to their terms of service which states you waive the right to sue them in order to access your funds and withdraw. It also states that you also agree to waive your rights if you try to use their ticket support system as well which as far as I know is the only other way to remove funds.

So to all you lawyers out there is this Extortion or not?


I will keep this OP updated and all those that Poloniex is stealing funds from go ahead and post in this thread for future reference if this ends up in court.

Please do not clutter it up with worthless "polo sucks" posts.

Feel free to post any open tickets you have that they are ignoring and I will be posting a few tickets they closed on me in the past without addressing the issue nor even notifying me they had closed those tickets.

I am assuming this will end up being moved into the scam accusation section but for right now I am gathering information and advice with this post. As many of you are aware Poloniex is now owned by Circle which is backed by Goldman Sachs so it is now firmly in the grasp of the banking institutions. And will assuredly be firmly in the grasp of the judicial system as well as the regulatory system which is what I'm sure Goldman Sachs was waiting on to catch up before they made this move.

Direct Email: Hueristic_AT_protonmail.com

[HOW can this be made Trustless?]

As this chain copy will add a weakening of the main Monero chain should Monero whales and community Purchase the Airdrop coins from the smaller Monero holders that will be cashing in on this scam?

It would seem to me that it would be advantageous for them to do so before the snapshot. As a matter of fact there would be an enticement for everyone to take the guaranteed increase as opposed to gambling on what the scamcoin will be worth.

They of course could do this by just straight out buying coins to remove them from the market but this is not really a cost effective way of accumulating as many as possible as driving the price up 20% (or whatever) only to have it fall to pre pump levels is essentially taking a loss with no benefit.

What about setting up a system to buy Moneros (pre chain copy) with the expressed specific goal of returning those coins with a bonus to the individuals that do not want to participate but feel the economic need to?

IOW say I am flush and can afford to throw some of my stash at the community (to protect my investment) and offer that to anyone that wishes to accept that rather than participate in the MoneroV scam? Also lets say I decide I can afford 10% then I could offer that but consider that many could only afford 1% then how can they can pool their resources to achieve the pledged amount?

Now how we can do this without the people contributing the enticement actually having to place it all into escrow?
Is there a way that the originators can send their funds to a new address and then the reward of 10% is added and that wallet cannot be used until after the fork?


HOW can this be made Trustless?

Can contracts be setup for this to make it trustless or would it have to involve escrow?
Could we not setup an exchange where A sends coins to B and post Chain copy B returns A amount + 10% to A's new address after the chain grab?
Could we use a decentralized exchange for this? Would the newly integrated multisig help in this regard?

 I wish I understood the mechanics of all this better but I think this could work for both sides of this, the Eternal Holders and those that are riding the wave to grab the expected returns. By setting a specific return value that could entice those that don't want to but are going to cash in on the scam and also those that would rather accept the 10% guaranteed return as opposed to the who knows what if anything the new scam coin would be worth.

Note, I am only using 10% as a placeholder example in this post.

If anyone can think of a better way to do this then please share that.

BTW if I were to take coins on the copied chain and send them to a burn address would that cause the same loss of chain integrity as if using them would have or would the safest way just be to leave then where they lie?

ALSO should all Coins even those that you have no plans to convert be moved to a new Address Prior to this chain grab (did I just make that term up?) for the security of the chain? should all exchanges (well those that use single wallets still it should be easy for) move coins to new addresses before the snapshot?

I have another thought on how to mitigate these type attacks in the future, I we can all agree that this is indeed an attack on the integrity of the chain then as a community we should take action and not allow these type things to happen in the future just like we did with the ASIC threat.

[As the evidence has now come out that the trump administration was behind a plan to attack Bitcoin I have made adjustments to this OP to reflect as such.]

Edited:

As the evidence has now come out that the trump administration was behind a plan to attack Bitcoin I have made adjustments to this OP to reflect as such.



Added:

The Proof:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2730822.msg52847244#msg52847244

Trump Administration Popped 2017 Bitcoin Bubble, Ex-CFTC Chair Says

“One of the untold stories of the past few years is that the CFTC, the Treasury, the SEC and the [National Economic Council] director at the time, Gary Cohn, believed that the launch of bitcoin futures would have the impact of popping the bitcoin bubble. And it worked.”

Added as well:
Clarification for the reasoning behind creating this thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2730822.msg52875968#msg52875968

I was being overly crass with this thread just to make a point which i think was missed by the vast majority. Many times i will make a short post and expect that others can extrapolate my meaning from that and I am wrong more times than not in that regard.

The goal of this thread was to point out those in the system that are coming to get bitcoin, and as i warned they did indeed do exactly that and succeeded fairly well. They now have a position where they skim the cream off the top of this market cap with their futures and options without even having to participate in actually using , buying or holding of coins. It has been admitted by a trump whistle-blower that they intentionally allowed CME/CBOE to pop btc's run-up as a bubble. And I am absolutely certain that the mt.Gox coins as well as others were all used in conjunction in order to achieve that goal.

You must know your enemy in order to defeat him and these are the enemies of freedom, those that would control you through currencies are no less dangerous than a mugger on the street and are far more insidious.

Details to follow if I feel like it.

The amount of shills and trolls have become such a widespread problem I seem to be wasting most of my time reading them then ignoring them after finding nothing worth the read.

I used to spend alot of my time freely helping n00bs but the greatest influx is nothing more than fud and Shills with the very rare actual N00b that has amply resources to receive help.

So I would just like to have n00bs auto ignored and options for all levels should be just as easy to add in preferences although I don't know why people would want to ignore higher levels unless they were just shills and fudders playing off each other as I've noticed they just ignore the responses from more knowledgeable members and continue their shtick after quoiting on of the other n00d shill/fudder. accounts.

The ICO craze on ETH seems to have just blown this so out of proportion the board is becoming unmanageable in many threads, when your reading a thread and over half the posts are on your ignore list there is a problem with the system.

I thought of posting this in this thread after a search

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736525.0

But this really is a different request although I think both are valid.

How the hell is polo dictating the price to bitfinex? the volumes are not even close and the amount of sell orders on polo never changes from 75-76k so why is polo's falling knife being followed on Bitfinex when it's Market is so huge in comparison???

And why does that 420k buy wall even exist? It's been there forever and all it ever does is retreat with downward pressure. Only a fool would believe it's real support. I want to see it get dumped into just to see it gone!

Well it's finally here, the little pumps are nothing more than to keep the exiters price up. The ATH will never be hit again and I expect in 6 months for the price to be about 25% of what it is now.

The only question is where is this money going to flow too? Fiat? Doubtful as no-one wants to claim those gains!

Please Post you thoughts on where this money will go and why. I do expect a bit of it to goto ETC as with its immutability it should be safe for awhile and is capable of providing any service eth currently does. Also I think it will flow into my favorite coin which I won't name here as this is not a shilling post. BTW I hold no ETC.

[which may require an update from the ZEC team]

For the last few days this is posted in ZEC trading on polo.

ZEC is currently under maintenance or experiencing wallet/network issues. Deposits and withdrawals will remain disabled until a solution is found, which may require an update from the ZEC team. Any updates must be tested and audited before enabling.

Is this why the price is tanking?

When are the Devs going to address it?

Does this have anything to do with AB going down?

Shouldn't we get an email if someone adds a rating? I would think it would be this box I had checked "Receive forum announcements and important notifications by email.".

[I've made a lot of money manipulating stupid people into paying more for something than it's worth (I used to work in real estate where it's a normal practice).]

Quotes:

There's nothing wrong with a pump-n-dump scheme. Bitcoin has been used as a p-n-d many times. I've made a lot of money manipulating stupid people into paying more for something than it's worth (I used to work in real estate where it's a normal practice). Bob/Patrick/Steven or whatever took advantage of stupid people, so what? That's a normal day at Century 21 or CB Richard Ellis. People are supposed to be noble and honest because it's cryptocurrency? Oh, please. What screws most people is their own greed. A fool and his money are soon parted is the name of the game.

I never had to manipulate people in bitcoinland. There's so many people doing it here it's almost cliché. I did make a shit ton of coins shilling for BitSwift (Timeshare coin) under another nick but that doesn't count because I don't consider the altcoin crowd as real crypto people. Bitcoin people want to make a better world by screwing the establishment and big banking. Altcoin people just want to make a quick buck because they're butthurt over not being bitcoin early adopters. Altcoin "get rich quickers" get what they deserve.

Link To my quote.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896480.msg18522763#msg18522763

I and many others saw a chance for ETC when the ETH community stood up and said no, that immutability was core. But it is apparent that those from the original ETH scam hold far too much free ETC and have no goal other than to profit off of ETC. Those holders outnumber the true CypherPunks to an extent that they will take short sighted profits over the long term benefits that the ETC chain could have achieved. They laugh and dump on the Idealistic ETC holders and think in their small minded heads that they are winning when they are actually destroying the only chance the ETH platform ever had of becoming the vision of it's original goal (besides making it's insiders stinking rich with the premine).



It is no surprise that the vast majority of original eth holders are nothing more than fools who were trying for a quick money grab and have no ideals as the last few years that is all we have seen in practically the entire alt coin scene. I don't know but I believe that the DAO winner is ideologically adverse to the original ETH scam and call on him or her to take the reins of the chain they have dominated and take the responsibility of creating a roadmap for it's future. I also call on the so called "white hat hackers" to publicly allocate the funds in their possession to the development of the original chain or destroy those coins. Any other action is either creating another bailout which is not what this scene is about or theft which makes them on par with the original Dao winner (according to their own logic).


For those that have no clue.

A cypherpunk is any activist advocating widespread use of strong cryptography and privacy-enhancing technologies as a route to social and political change. Originally communicating through the Cypherpunks electronic mailing list, informal groups aimed to achieve privacy and security through proactive use of cryptography. Cypherpunks have been engaged in an active movement since the late 1980s.

Disclaimer: I hold 1 ETC (mined during fork) and zero ETH.

It's easy to game the fork by DDoSiNg the larger pools that will fork so If I was against it I would nail them while adding nodes for the pre fork versions.

What do you guys think?






Countdown:
https://slacknation.github.io/medium/11/11.html

Suddenly a large amount of threads are in my watchlist that do not have new posts in them?

Where is it?

3 days with nothing from support and I'm getting fed up.

Can someone explain to me why my payments fluctuate so often and why they are so low? My rejects stay about 10% and don't change much. I tried to add a longer list to show a better representation of the price changes but the board only allows 65,000 characters a post.

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How do I figure out what coin to mine? Are there 3 variables or 4?

From what I have been able to gather in the last month or so is that the price, difficulty and amount of coin in a block are the three main variables. But is your hash rate in there as well?

For instance I have 400 k/h and cannot decide between doge and EAC.

EAC
105 price
diff 30
block amt 10,971.00

Doge
price (for this I'm using 100)
diff 846 and rising
block amount  huge range (I'm using 481737.578 : avg of last 10 found on my pool)

all the other transactions were done long ago.

http://dogechain.info/tx/348958819ac7191089c7b750fb0599fea6d6c342f73fd512bc3b5979f0d828bf
and
http://dogechain.info/tx/902b014c3cfde4f0f1fef3e545e6d0937679b90cd2f7cde83319df89c7388ca9


How are you supposed to trade when you can't get a deposit?

Anyone want all my Moon?

31072.89369088

I'll give you 7 points if you think chargers can pull it off.


Edit: I gotta run, offer open until chargers score to within 3. Currently 0-0.