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Simple strategies for spammers looking for the lowest-effort process to just barely edge over the borderline of passable posts. 1. Mention topic or keyword, even in passing. Prominent choices involve simple dis/agreements by quoting a recent post. You can easily rephrase exactly what they said - even if you do a shitty job, that's fine - as long as you add in statements about personal fallibility. If you have no knowledge of the topic, that's fine as long as you are equally generic and vague in your reply - make sweeping remarks as wide as your ignorance. Maybe it is possible that (the) [event] could [resultA/resultB] but I don't really know because it is a complicated thing and I think that maybe we might need to find a lot more information before coming to any conclusion. 2. Personal anecdotes, beliefs, and questions are excellent padding material. Posing vague or general questions that have already been previously asked dozens of times in the thread can add nearly half a line's worth of words if you entertain enough turns of phrase or perhaps pad the question with nearly every random word that happens to come to mind, if that is so much within your very desire? One special trick that works everywhere is to ask for additional clarification, even if you don't need it or even if it's irrelevant. In my opinion, I think/believe that [make something up, steal idea from thread] and personally we don't know what the future of [topic] looks like.
I am hearing that [thread opinion] and I am wondering if [thread opinion] is really true? Honestly, I am not sure [...]
I hope that [...]
Can you explain more about [thread keyword]? I don't think I understand/we can make a decision yet.
Do you have a source/link for what you are saying? 3. If you still have room before hitting that golden two/three-line mark of golden post quality, try to look for more opinions you can recycle. Especially important is finding key ideas that you can reuse in multiple posts: vague generalizations of volatility or predictability, phrase-slogans like "buy low sell high, it can be a lesson, DYOR, use the DCA strategy, nobody can predict the future". 4. Structuring your posts as if you were a child: typing along the multiple lines, adding new ones after every sentence or even partial phrases, and nearly breaking your ENTER key, these are ways to create the illusion of density. typing along the multiple lines, adding new ones after every sentence or even partial phrases, and nearly breaking your ENTER key, these are ways to create the illusion of quality. 5. Anywhere you can place an adjective, there should be one. If you cannot apply actionable adverbs to verbs, use probability-based (always, sometimes, maybe, possibly). Use articles in the unpredictable ways that you can abuse the articles, likely using the term of a 'the bitcoin'. With these five simple steps, you can continue posting with less than two minutes of thought between each of your posts. |
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If moderators can distinguish between regular gambling threads and investor-based game threads, then we should be able to report away those threads... right? Unless there are these highly active investor-based games that need to be protected from moderator discretion, which also don't belong in Securities, Services, etc. It is such a pity that we do not have the administrative capabilities to close the board: the spillover of active threads in that section into Gambling will be too much for staff. I think the success and efficiency of this board means that we can roll out the "Scams and Fraud" section too, so that we can redirect all scammer activity there.
Just curious. 
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Since the dawn of the Off-topic board, we have asked such philosophically immobilizing questions like, "what is your favorite movie?" and "What are you listening to RIGHT NOW?"
Because we have been captivated by these higher-level thoughts, I figure it would be better if we transfixed ourselves upon some more innocuous questions, like for example: "What does it mean for something to exist? What is existence or how may we define it?"
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While some of them might disagree with the results due to their political affiliations, just know that the researchers involved with this project are the some of the most qualified, reputable, and consistent scientists on our side.
Here is what Dr. Masyde Reisad had to say when it came to political affiliation:
"Over multiple weeks the research team has analyzed the projected outcome of various political choices. What we have discovered is that when the individuals in the study aligned themselves with our partisan option, we found a high degree of success in the establishment of positive policies. In fact, we found that as the rate of partisanship approaches 1, so too does the percentage of valuable, unbiased policies!
Strangely, there appears to be a linear relationship between partisanship and political success."
The facts are clear, people. Stop staying on the wrong side of history. For each person that joins the true, logical political party, we are one step closer to a perfect world.
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Random incoherent thoughts or remarks will be placed here. The opinions may not be that of the present but are true at the time of writing. No timestamps, to add a little bit of ch aos.
It is impossible to find anything worth discussing. The forum has slunk to a decrepit state of repugnant self-absorbed masturbation, wherein you have pointless power struggles and spam strewn across the forum. Pitiful. |
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Preface
There has been an itch that has been incongruous with my desires of the forum to which I have vocalized to a few individuals prior to the completion of this text. As once said, brevity is the soul of wit thus I shall concisely examine the renegade philosophy that has clashed against my previous actions. This is, of course, regarding the use of alternate accounts in campaigns, whether they are both within the same campaign or not. The status quo has been to prevent the registration of alternate accounts, however, I have reason to believe that this is merely a surface-level bandage rather than something that can be continued in a long-term setting.
Rationale
Why would I—an anti-spam advocate—suddenly twist zhopself inside-out and begin protesting against the current measures against spam? The intent behind the anti-alt rule is simple: to prevent spam induced by a user's division of labor through a higher frequency of posting.
If one follows the logic without question, then one would come to a similar conclusion only without considering any other factors. We are under this asinine presumption, wherein one expects a user to solely post without regard for their quality when they are using multiple accounts. We do, in fact, have an example of a user who participates in multiple campaigns with publicly-announced alternate accounts: hilariousandco, hilariousetc.
A sweeping generalization can be okay to begin with constructing an idea, though it means that you have the foundation built upon some unsteady scaffolds. Much like an Italian Jenga tower, it will start leaning until it cannot handle the weight of the task upon its unsteady roots.
If we simplify the equation of post quality into the following:
P := post quality
A := number of accounts enrolled
One will usually assume that P and A are inversely proportional. I will, in fact, agree with this metric. However, to use this as the reason for restricting entry is merely a form of fallacious argumentation. The underlying reason that someone is creating poor quality posts is simply that: they cannot create better-quality posts.
If you consider each account independent of the actual cryptographic identity (i.e. hilarious is a cryptographic identity, whereas they own multiple accounts) then you are able to isolate the post quality to each account. We should not be conflating the possibility of spam with the evidence of spam.
There is but a simple solution: abolish the rule.
If, in the event, an individual does enroll with multiple accounts but maintains stellar post quality, it is no different than if a separate cryptographic individual has enrolled with a single account. One may argue against this in lieu of active spam protection, but if spam is a problem then you should eliminate users because they are spamming, not because they might spam.
Moreover, this rule falls in the same way that most legislation does: adaptability. It is quite evident that there are clandestine alts, much like there are public alts. And, yes: they do get caught... but remember, if they were already spamming, then why were they still in the campaign?
TL;DR
Preventing alternate accounts from enrolling in campaigns is stupid. It does not prevent people who secretly use alts and it does not prevent spam. Preventing someone from joining because they have poor post quality is better than preventing someone from joining because they might have poor post quality because of the multiple accounts.
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Unhandled reports are considered "soft-bad". Okay, no issue there.
But could we have a separate bin for pending reports and unhandled reports? Sometimes, I have literally no idea if a post I reported was left alone intentionally or is just still hovering in the queue.
Not a high-priority issue but having massive chunks of unhandled reports tells me that either the posts are fine, or that the moderator assigned to the section has yet to review it. At that point, I have no option other than to wait a few days to see if those kinds of posts are considered fine before reporting similar posts.
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Thanks to Ddmr's post linking GLTR, I began my work as a devil's advocate and tried to find methods of breaking the detection. Wasn't hard. Take an example topic: thoughts on companies becoming too powerful?Take a snippet from the OP or title: "Companies become so big and they have enormous power over us, do you think companies like this should be broken up by the government or be allowed to reign supreme?" Use AI-generated text: Let's begin by giving an example. Google now has hundreds if not thousands of apps for Android and iOS. They now control Google search, YouTube, and YouTube's search feature. They now control the search advertising we see on our mobile devices. And they now own the entire YouTube network. In addition, they have built massive research and development centers in Silicon Valley to research, develop, and test their new technology.
If you thought "corporations" sounds like something out of a science fiction novel, think again. We now have Google's self-driving car, Amazon's cloud cloud hosting solutions, Google's mobile phone, Amazon's Web Services, and Google's YouTube, to name a few. Imagine if we did this with Apple's iTunes, Amazon's cloud storage, etc. These big companies own so much power and data that they are a "threat to the entire Internet." For obvious reasons I won't provide the direct link to how I generated the text but most people will find it easily enough. Now we plug this into GLTR one paragraph at a time. Lots of green, a few bits of red. We need to obfuscate. Add complexity with thesaurus flips: Let's commence by giving an example. Google now has hundreds if not thousands of apps for Android and iOS. They now control Google search, YouTube, and YouTube's search feature. They now control the search advertising we optically discern on our mobile devices. And they now own the entire YouTube network. In integration, they have built massive research and development centers in Silicon Valley to research, develop, and test their incipient technology. And simplify: Let's begin by giving an example. Google now has hundreds if not thousands of apps for Android and iOS. They now control Google search, YouTube, and YouTube's search feature. They now control the search advertising we optically see on our mobile devices. And they now own the whole YouTube network. In integration, they have built huge research and development centers in Silicon Valley to research, develop, and test their incipent technology. Full text after processes: Let's begin by giving an example. Google now has hundreds if not thousands of apps for Android and iOS. They now control Google search, YouTube, and YouTube's search feature. They now control the search advertising we optically see on our mobile devices. And they now own the whole YouTube network. In integration, they have built huge research and development centers in Silicon Valley to research, develop, and test their incipent technology and if you thought "corporations" sounds like something out of a science fiction novel, think again. We now have Google's self-driving car, Amazon's cloud hosting solutions, Google's mobile phone, Amazon's Web Services, and Google's YouTube, to select/name a few. Imagine if we did this with Apple's iTunes, Amazon's cloud storage, etc. These hugely huge companies own so much power and data that they are a "threat to the whole Internet." ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ By fractional percentage, it looks human-generated. Could you tell the difference? (results can be improved with grammar checkers or better obfuscation for a 'career spammer')
Even with tools like GLTR, advanced spam methods will be harder to detect. The question is: what should happen to these posts? |
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As you know, we have been plagued with the Forum Account Reproduction Movement constantly. For as long as I have been on the forum, this was one lucrative part that shady users couldn't dodge.
Question: How do we proactively suppress account farming and spammers? Answer: Reporting posts.
Reminder for those that have forgotten: activity requires at least one post per 2-week period in order to gain the potential (and subsequently true) activity. Erase all those posts... and poof, you've used maybe 5% of the amount of time that they have to rubberband them back to 0 for that period. If the post is not deleted... then that's good: the goal is to clear spam and disincentivize low-effort posts. If the end-result is achieved without restitution then we should be happy. To note, even before using any page-wide report buttons (i.e. reporting every single of the 20 replies) it takes me about 30 seconds to go through a page of one-liners. That's usually equal to at least a week or two of time. And if they create a single one-liner, it's likely they'll have many many more. Most of the offenders tend to stick to the low-hanging fruit type of threads and boards. These include: Trading/Bitcoin Discussion, Economics, Altcoin Discussion, etc. (you all know where)
Take the reins and rear the forum away from spam.
Addendum. Question: How to we more effectively suppress account farming? Answer: Delegate some work to combat it directly, using tools that have been available in the past (take a look at rizzlarolla's history) This is a more top-down solution.
Miscellaneous: Spam Board Patrol |
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Next time you can invest in smth
Do you mean different blockchain investing projects? Exactly, like investing in real estate or collectible assets I know only a couple of projects on real estate You can watch blockbattle and take a closer look to one project where you can invest in collectible cars Unfortunately I have no time for this, give me please a concrete example Curio Invest, they are finalists. And they have even game to win tokens Cool, got any link? Sure https://www.curioinvest.com/game. This is a link on game, it’s on their official website Ok Case 1: iziderox and HomortonNext time you can invest in smth
Do you mean different blockchain investing projects? Exactly, like investing in real estate or collectible assets Case 2: zaarariba and werokez
Same users exchanging these bland conversations... seems to be (attempted) clandestine account farming |
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It is important to mitigate spam, but when it comes to reports, you can track their accuracy and raise the buffer back to default values (or add some consequence) if they are abusing it.
The limit of 4 seconds per report means that for every page of spam that I have to report (nearly every page in Altcoin Discussion has 20/20 spam posts) it takes 5x longer to actually send the reports out than to check over the posts for quality.
Is it possible to, perhaps, for users that have [arbitraryNumber] good reports and an accuracy of [arbitraryPercentage], lower the wait time? Even a one-second change means 25% faster reporting. (it also gets in the way when I have 200+ queued reports and have to wait a whole ten minutes before posting anything... like right now) |
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My avatar and personal text are available for rent.
PM me offers or post via this thread.
I post around 30 to 60+ posts each week.
I may reject offers for any reason.
If your advertisement turns out to be a scam/shady/etc then it will be removed.
Escrow is available if you want: minerjones preferred.
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Most trusted members on Bitcointalk? I think not. This thread is not a joke! Minerjones and Lauda have gone rogue!After we secure enough merit sources, it will be easy to create a cycle without having it be obvious. All that is necessary is a 4 to 6 cycle loop between the major players, suchmoon and Lauda. Then, the distribution can get to the tail-end where we'll hit users like these. LoyceV can serve as an external member. They can act as a proxy by creating lots of analytics threads and redirect the merit to our accounts. The Russian local forum is quite lenient on account sales, so we can direct our approach there.
a joke it was, and how we laughed |
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