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41  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: May 26, 2013, 09:51:44 AM
18216    2013-05-25 21:32:11    0:26:24    3940018    3166    0.02050091
18218    2013-05-25 22:58:32    0:25:35    3754815    3140    0.01216632


18223    2013-05-26 09:16:33    1:24:44    12500488    10182    0.00016488
Current round duration:   0:29:34

18218 was fixed just right now, kudos to Slush for that.
I assume he will look at 18223 as well. I will start worrying later when the there will be less than 50 confirmations left for the block...

   T
42  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: May 24, 2013, 09:17:06 AM

Let's give it some time - yesterday it took over half an hour to get self-fixed. Mine is off too:
18176    2013-05-23 19:51:28    2:06:53    17624457    1650    0.00108921    none    237567    25.58627000    90 confirmations left

and earlier when I looked (at around 19:05 server time) my score had just reset and showed almost zero (a few microcoins).

Possibly but its been more than an hour and the # of shares looks normal when its updating the shares usually increases.  I also noticed 20 minutes prior to it ending the numbers reset.

It's now been several more hours and at least for me the rewards haven't been recalculated although miner was working non-stop.

18176   2013-05-23 19:51:28   2:06:53   17624457   1837   0.00130912   237567   25.58627000    36 confirmations left

I guess it's just a bout of bad luck. Well, can't complain, with overall good luck yesterday, it's still profitable.


By the way - does anyone else have any issues with this one - I'm quite a bit short on it too:
18179    2013-05-23 20:42:16    0:15:23    1329197    202    0.00287789    none    237575    25.35675211    44 confirmations left


A little short on that too if I calculate the reward per share.

Block 18176 is off for many of us. Have been waiting for the rewards to get recalculated, then sent a message to Slush at the time when there were only 12 confirmations left.
The block just got confirmed, no adjustments. Obviously, it would be chaotic and unmanagable if everyone cries about blocks, and there should be a proper way to escalate these issues and get them addressed on time. In many cases Slush is able to intervene, but on few occasions the issue does not get fixed.

What would be the preferred way of bringing attention to these issues - especially given that the spam-rate on this thread is rather high so Slush might not be able to notice/catch posts.

Cheers,
   T

PS: dear trolls, I am not complaining about the quality of service Slush provides, but seek a way how he could be notified of pool related issues is a smart way - without highly redundant communication -  in the future. This topic would have been the proper communication channel but given the white noise...
43  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: May 18, 2013, 11:01:40 AM
4:03:45    33732253    none    none    none
wtf?

I'm seeing the same thing, and I haven't turned off my computer tonight at all. The "my account" page has me constantly submitting shares, so I'm not sure what's up with that. Hopefully it gets corrected at some point, 4 hours and all
Here we go again (sigh).  All my miners were happily hashing away at full bore in this long round.  The rounds before it and the next one coming up (if rewarded correctly) would attest to that fact.

Same here :
18082    2013-05-18 07:45:28    4:03:45    33732253    none    none    none    236720    25.24790000    87 confirmations left

Hopefully it will get corrected. Also - at around 3hrs into the round my score got reset - it was almost 0 at 3:15 and by 3:45 it was recovering...
I wonder about the score resetting thing, isn't that part of the weighting system to counter pool hopping?  I notice all the time, my score will drop from the millions to nothing and then begin climbing back up

No, the reset is to prevent scores reaching very large numbers. It is thought that if anyone's score reaches +Inf, the universe will implode. So be grateful for the reset.

There is definitely a difference between reset and renormalization. While reset means zeroing out the scores, renormalization means scaling down the scored and modifying C accordingly. The first is simpler to implement and faster to execute while the second is mathematically more correct. Another options to protect against an arithmetic overflow would be using a logarithmic scale, but that is not how the exp scoring method is implemented.

BTW, I really liked reading http://organofcorti.blogspot.hu/2012/04/41-slushs-pool.html and http://organofcorti.blogspot.hu/2012/09/43-slushs-score-method-and-miner.html and suggest those articles to anyone with doubts and questions about how exp scoring works.

Cheers,
   T
44  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: May 17, 2013, 04:59:17 PM
Isn't it obvious what is happening? Our share of the Pie is shrinking: http://blockchain.info/pools

As the other pools increase in Hashing power, our Luck will get worse. Blocks will take longer to find. I suspect that the other pools are attracting more ASIC miners that ours. The way i see it, the only way to improve our returns is to increase our mining power.

oh, btw, does anyone know why are hash rate varies from about 9.6 Ths to 10. almost daily? People mining here only part of the day?

Based on statistics I collected, there is a daily, periodic fluctuation - my conclusion is that more than 20% of the miners only mine part of the day. Probably some are running it in the background during working hours (not dedicated mining rigs, but generic workstation with GPU), but the opposite (mining at night) might also make sense based on how they are charged for electricity, especially for dedicated beefy GPU rigs which eat a lot of power. In both cases, this will lead to a repeating pattern in total hashrate fluctuation.

   T
45  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: May 10, 2013, 08:32:32 AM
are we still talking about one block ? , really peoples, i haven't read everything, but come on, it could also have been an orphan, or an 8 hour long block, maybe i missed something but i guess it is still about the same block, ... just chill

You should really take some time and read a few more posts before commenting and writing things like "it could also have been an orphan, or an 8 hour long block". This could decrease the ever increasing rate of spam and FUD here.

Cheers,
   T
46  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: May 08, 2013, 06:19:15 PM
One question...

Why I have so small reward for this block ?



Normally should be around 0.00097 BTC ... minus the fee (I didn't extract the fee for easy calculus)

25.21 BTC / 11634278 = 2.16 x 10-6 x 452 = 9.79 x 10-4 = 0.000979 BTC



Did you at least try to read the last few posts before asking?

Cheers,
   T

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
47  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: May 08, 2013, 02:43:45 PM


Seems to be an issue here.  From my calculations, 1784 / 11634278 * 25.21733124 = 0.003866825163724, not .00000048

What's the deal?

Give it time....

Wait at least a half hour after a block before complaining about your reward please.

I see.  I thought it stayed in "Processing" until it was done, and then what you saw is what you got.  I don't mind being patient, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.  I saw an invalid block earlier, thought maybe this was some kind of adjustment.

Thanks for the quick response.

Many of us face the same situation with this block. This has happen quite a few times, most of the cases when the score reset is immediately before / very close to the end of the round. Slush has taken care of this, so on one side I agree - give it time, however, a timely notice will allow our pool master to take action in time, meaning before the block gets confirmed. He told that it is much harder to issue adjustments once the block is confirmed.

Cheers,
   T


48  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: May 04, 2013, 09:12:21 AM
Wanted to echo the request for an addition to the "My Account" page that displays your 24 hour income stats.

I miss that since moving off of BTC Guild.

Echoing the response: What is wrong with https://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/graphs/ "Your daily reward"? Why not use that? Is there any particular reason why you are interested in the last 24 hours as opposed to last day?
49  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: May 01, 2013, 09:56:34 AM
No - there is definitely something wrong here.  I'm not being paid for any blocks anymore

17774   2013-04-30 20:25:35   2:03:23   14233698   132   0.00000000
17775   2013-04-30 23:59:52   3:34:17   24772020   145   0.00000000
17776   2013-05-01 02:25:35   2:25:43   16453036    13   0.00000000

I have moved over to another pool, and I'm not having problems there with zero returns per block, even if my share counts are low.

41  DGM  0 PPS   0.00108057
136 DGM 0 PPS   0.00110942
464 DGM 0 PPS   0.00132832
6    DGM 0 PPS   0.00068256

I also discovered some very low payout on long blocks, and I moved over to other pool

I'm also seeing on average between 5% and 8% lower payment than what it should be (and rarely a 1-2% more than that).

It appears that miners with high GH/s machines are at an advantage here as they always have the very latest shares (which are paid more) than average miners (with just a few hundred MH/s). The average low-MH/s miner probably sends a share every 5-10sec, so even in the ideal case he's always towards the losing end as shares decay exponentially. The only way to get a "fair share" is if YOU are the one that found the block, and then everyone else who sent shares before you is on the losing end.

The main issue is that there is no grace period - like let's say the last 5min where all shares are equal, and then older shares start to decay and be paid less.

I don't know if there is any point in proposing a change in the payout scheme, so here are my 2 cents just in case : (I'll put it in a more descriptive way and not necessarily as a formula)
- Shares in the last X minutes (5-10) are all equal and do not decay (get 100% share value)
- Shares older than that decay until they hit the lower-limit (let's say a share's value should never be less than 25%)
- Very old shares (let's say more than 30min or 1hr) still keep 25% of their value and get some (lower) payment. That way even if you had some connectivity issues or a power outage your effort doesn't go to a complete waste. And we don't have the situation with 0.000000000 being paid.


I suggest you to check how DGM and other rewarding methods work. There are more sophisticated solutions than what you are suggesting. Just read up on the topic. A lot of useful links have been posted here recently, for example this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39497.0

Cheers,
   T
50  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: April 30, 2013, 10:23:22 AM

Probably shouldn't comment since I haven't had a chance to read those yet, but I did mention above about how I thought the system was outdated.
Judging by the hash rates in the top of those they aren't very recent.
If im wrong, please dont hang me! I'll apologise for my ignorance once I have had time to look at things properly.

4.2 and 4.3 are the important ones - 4.1 is just background. They are from last year, but the score method is the same now as it was then.

Very good read indeed. I wonder how many of the forum members will take the time to read & understand (!) it. I see a rather wide spectrum of skills and attitude and many reoccurring questions that makes me assume the majority will just skip anything longer than a few paragraphs. Anyway, congratulations, I really recognize the full worth of these quality articles.

Cheers,
   T
51  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: April 26, 2013, 01:01:25 AM
my total reward (unconfirmed + confirmed) on my account page just went from .18 to .13 in about 15 seconds
i have not made any withdrawls and were still on the same round..
im confused is slush adjusting payouts? i shouldnt be losing money rite?

If you take a closer look, you will see slush is fixing the earlier unconfirmed rewards for confirmed blocks.
You will see some fluctuation but keep waiting until he is done. I also see numbers going up and down, but I believe I see the way it is converging...
52  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: April 25, 2013, 04:22:13 PM
Well Slush has us all happy again.

Slush can i ask for 1 more thing, can you change our LUCK at finding blocks,

4 hour block, now, 5 hour block an hour before that and another 5 hour at the start of the day.

Not good for us

joolz


joolz, I am unsure if you are kidding or not...
53  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: April 25, 2013, 12:03:02 PM
I had the same problem, just clear your browser cache and viola.

Yes, looks like local dns caches (browser-side or ISP).

I would say that Uliss wanted to say something different, his uncorfirmed reward according to the account stats is0.62 but according to he stats from the pool should be much less. there are 6 blocks which are not confirmed and his reward should be somewhere around 0.12 + not 0.62. I have also on my account some issues. Before the pool attack I had nearly 1,2 total and now have only 1,3 which seeems to me much more less than expected.

As I interpret my observations, all rewards will stay unconfirmed even if the block itself is already confirmed. This is not the usual behavior, but is only to allow slush more time/flexibility in the current situation. He plans to get it sorted out in the afternoon his local time (UTC+2).

Hope this helps,
   T
54  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: April 24, 2013, 11:40:13 PM
so i just got home from work and see mining.bitcoin.cz is still down and has been now for about 24 hrs. I have had my miners going pretty much the whole time at about roughly 1 Ghash/s.
I guess my question is am i going to be compensated for the work I put in or should i just call the last 24 hrs a waste and start mining somewhere else?
also any update on or ETA on the website? i read a couple posts back that slush said should be up in a couple hours but that was last night...  Huh

everything is explained in the thread

all i got from the last couple pages are...

1. website was compromised
2. moving to new data center
3. mining is still working and we will be paid by slush per block instad of PPS
4. passwords where salt and peppered and possibly ketchuped
5. fight club mining link was talked about when it shouldnt have been

i apreciate the work done by slush to keep up his pool but all i want to know is if its worth to continue mining on his pool or switch wile he works out the kinks. thanks


I appreciate his efforts and this is why I decided to stay with him (his pool) even under suboptimal circumstances. I can mine without interruption, and I assume rewarding will be taken care of once things are back to normal. He will open up the front-end when he feels it is ok to do so. This is my personal opinion, based on what I have seen so far.

It is only him who can provide authoritative information - but I believe he has more urgent activities than focusing on communication. And I am ok with that.



55  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: litecoin-qt wallet encryption: is it safe? on: April 24, 2013, 10:49:10 PM
it uses the same base code as the bitcoin client, so it's just as secure as bitcoin. however, any keys created prior to the wallet's encryption may still be vulnerable.

Also note that your wallet comes with about 100 addresses preloaded, just not visible (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Securing_your_wallet). This means, there are more keys in your wallet than you can see.
Key creation might not happen when you would think it happens. Take this into consideration as well...

Hope this helps.
   T
56  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: April 24, 2013, 10:34:53 PM
I mentionned it, my bad.. tought it was announced here by slush.. Msg edited.. but traces left for sure.. sorry !

I believe Slush will just set up another one and distribute it as he sees fit. I am a bit curious but can live with it, np  Smiley

Cheers,
   T

PS: As far as I can see, all references have been masked/edited out by now.
57  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: April 24, 2013, 10:19:39 PM
And in all honesty, I did not even assume it was anything sensitive - as it was openly mentioned on the forum.
58  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: April 24, 2013, 10:06:28 PM
I also confirm mining still works without issues.
Now let's all be patient while slush fixes the database and the front-end is available again.

Although I'm only someone with little mining power and a few funds with Slush's pool, I had the following remarks:

  • On the frontpage of your site it says "api.bitcoin.cz:8332" is the main pool URL, although you announced at 10/3 that "stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333" is the default mining URL: "Default mining URL for Stratum is stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333. If you're still using api.bitcoin.cz, please fix your URL to prevent fallback to deprecated Getwork protocol." Why not change that as it doesn't seem to redirect?
  • Any consideration for a 2-step authentication? I know this has nothing todo with the recent intrusion, but I think this extra authentication will make your pool stand out (even more).
  • Any possibility someone at OVH could be responsible for the recent intrusion? I do not know much about hacking, but it looks obvious physical access was needed here.
  • Since the front-end is currently down and Google cache can be slow I can't tell which page exactly; but there is a page in Dutch that's only partially translated. If you need my help with any Dutch or French translation, feel free to ask.
  • Although it is logic you take care of your pool - since you created it and are making profit from it - I do really appreciate your transparancy and way of dealing with this situation. Thanks for that.
I know VIP means "Very Important Person", but what/who are considered VIP at Slush's pool?

Do they have a different address than stratum.bitcoin.cz?

Just venturing a guess, I would think that it's probably reserved for ASIC miners.

There is an address different than stratum*.bitcoin.cz indeed - but this one still points to an OVH IP.
Some received an email notification mentioning [].bitcoin.cz - might be ASIC or just based on some informal criteria.

[]

As a side note, I did not receive any email with this info, just follow the forum, and puzzled out based on some chatty posts. This means obviously I am just drawing conclusions based on info that might be right or wrong.
I assume that pointing the miners to EC2 is the preferred approach, even for VIPs.

Cheers,
   T

Please edit that address out, TiborB.

As you prefer, I edited it out, however note that is was publicly disclosed on this forum (by someone who got it via mail, not me), and whatever makes it to the internet, will stay there. Getting this info was really not rocket science, just paying attention & following the forum.

Reminds me a bit of Orwell's famous phrase "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".
And another famous one from here: http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/unix-koans/mcse.html
“A man who mistakes secrets for knowledge is like a man who, seeking light, hugs a candle so closely that he smothers it and burns his hand.”

While there might be legit reasons for some unpublished alternative service endpoints, providing unequal chances to connect to the pool under DDoS was surely not the original intention of Slush. Uberduber, are you aware of any details you are willing to share?
59  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: April 24, 2013, 09:30:21 PM
I also confirm mining still works without issues.
Now let's all be patient while slush fixes the database and the front-end is available again.

Although I'm only someone with little mining power and a few funds with Slush's pool, I had the following remarks:

  • On the frontpage of your site it says "api.bitcoin.cz:8332" is the main pool URL, although you announced at 10/3 that "stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333" is the default mining URL: "Default mining URL for Stratum is stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333. If you're still using api.bitcoin.cz, please fix your URL to prevent fallback to deprecated Getwork protocol." Why not change that as it doesn't seem to redirect?
  • Any consideration for a 2-step authentication? I know this has nothing todo with the recent intrusion, but I think this extra authentication will make your pool stand out (even more).
  • Any possibility someone at OVH could be responsible for the recent intrusion? I do not know much about hacking, but it looks obvious physical access was needed here.
  • Since the front-end is currently down and Google cache can be slow I can't tell which page exactly; but there is a page in Dutch that's only partially translated. If you need my help with any Dutch or French translation, feel free to ask.
  • Although it is logic you take care of your pool - since you created it and are making profit from it - I do really appreciate your transparancy and way of dealing with this situation. Thanks for that.
I know VIP means "Very Important Person", but what/who are considered VIP at Slush's pool?

Do they have a different address than stratum.bitcoin.cz?

Just venturing a guess, I would think that it's probably reserved for ASIC miners.

There is an address different than stratum*.bitcoin.cz indeed - but this one still points to an OVH IP.
Some received an email notification mentioning v??.bitcoin.cz - might be ASIC or just based on some informal criteria.

$ host v??.bitcoin.cz
v??.bitcoin.cz has address 94.23.174.94
$ host 94.23.174.94
94.174.23.94.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 94-23-174-94.ovh.net.

As a side note, I did not receive any email with this info, just follow the forum, and puzzled out based on some chatty posts. This means obviously I am just drawing conclusions based on info that might be right or wrong.
I assume that pointing the miners to EC2 is the preferred approach, even for VIPs.

Cheers,
   T
60  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [8500 GH/s] Slush's Pool (mining.bitcoin.cz); TX FEES + UserDiff; ASIC tested on: April 24, 2013, 07:35:08 PM
Thanks everyone, that explains. One more question - is there a way to check miner status/bitcoins amount mined etc? Maybe some json api is functional?

So, can anyone described what's going on and when it is supposed to be fixed?

Sure!!!
Here you go: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg1925445#msg1925445

Status quo in a nutshell:

* mining now happens on EC2 instances, DNS records for stratum.bitcoin.cz have been updated
* you might need to restart long running workers & make sure DNS changes propagated to you. Use netstat & nslookup, or just flush the dns cache and restart workers.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg1926436#msg1926436
* the website is not up at the moment, but mining is possible

Hope this helps,
   T



You can check the logs of your miners for status/avg hashrate, the json api for rewards & server side stats are also part of the website which is down at the moment, so AFAIK you will have to wait a bit for that.

Cheers,
   T
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