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Status quo in a nutshell: * mining now happens on EC2 instances, DNS records for stratum.bitcoin.cz have been updated * you might need to restart long running workers & make sure DNS changes propagated to you. Use netstat & nslookup, or just flush the dns cache and restart workers. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg1926436#msg1926436* the website is not up at the moment, but mining is possible Hope this helps, T
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So is it safe to keep mining on Stratum now? I don't want my mining power working for the profit of some hacker..
I just used netstat and reverse lookup to confirm where the existing stratum connections were going (they were still opened to ovh address 94.23.174.94 in my case). Restarted workers where it was needed to make sure they connect to EC, 54.214.x.x. Hope this helps. T
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Also, just as an FYI, i do network security in a completely different sector, but the attacks are usually the same. The "sneak forwarding" is a common targeted attack.
I cross-checked my mailbox setup and no forwarding is configured here. For now I fully blame OVH for this issue. Interesting analysis. Is it possible that the algo for the OTP is "known" ? So the attacker would simply have to know what the next OTP password is once it's been submitted? I'd guess he is using a vasco or rsa token with appropriate key size... Nothing so elaborate. You'd be amazed at the power that an administrator can wield. Your server security is only as strong as those that have physical access to them honoring their word. Occam's razor applies greatly when it comes to hacking. You are absolutely right. The point was merely there is no need to predict the next OTP. Especially with Trudy having physical access.
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Also, just as an FYI, i do network security in a completely different sector, but the attacks are usually the same. The "sneak forwarding" is a common targeted attack.
I cross-checked my mailbox setup and no forwarding is configured here. For now I fully blame OVH for this issue. Interesting analysis. Is it possible that the algo for the OTP is "known" ? So the attacker would simply have to know what the next OTP password is once it's been submitted? I'd guess he is using a vasco or rsa token with appropriate key size...
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Stratum is back, great job!
Cheers, T
Way to never read anything before making your post... keep living the dream. I know you will never read this Can you please shed some light on this comment? I doubt it If I agreed with you, we both would be wrong. Never mind, no offence taken on my side whatsoever.
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Stratum is back, great job!
Cheers, T
Way to never read anything before making your post... keep living the dream. I know you will never read this Can you please shed some light on this comment?
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Stratum is back, great job!
Cheers, T
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Also nice to see the stratum use go to 97%
Good and bad. NMC mining is getwork only... I like to get something exstra... Are you sure about NMC being getwork only? NMC is mined only vía getwork, but pays to everyone that have an NMC address. In the past days with stratum gone off and miners switched to GetWork, the NMC payouts increased significatly Ok, that is clear now. Thanks. Cheers, T
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I know slush has an ongoing project related to switching over to DGM. He has been working on it for quite a while now (in his spare time, lol), but I'm not sure how close he is to completing it.
I'm not saying that there aren't any good suggestions out there, but I'm guessing he will just finish that project before implementing any other changes to the scoring algorithm. And in my opinion, that would probably be the best for everyone. We could say goodbye to loosing 25% on rounds under 10 minutes...
Thanks for sharing this. For the reference of others readers, a description of Double Geometric Method can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39497.0I enjoyed reading it. Note points on periodic rescaling and logarithmic scale. Cheers, T
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Well, they do make a difference, as it had been pointed out before. My initial thought was to perform the following instead of the reset:
1) Divide by a big number & round everyones score to maintain the proportions but get rid of a lot of digits. 2) Adjust the constant C (currently always 300) according to the big number used for the division - logarithmic. (so at the end, the algorithm maintains the same curve, scaled down)
I do not want to raise a flame war, and note that I was not complaining either - but am open to any discussion on the maths behind this.
Cheers, T
I'm not quite sure what is it you think the reset does. Can you explain your thoughts on it, preferably with a link to Slush saying something similar? Unfortunately I did not see this reset documented when Slush explained the scoring calculation (to which I did include the link). We observed that score resets are happening periodically, I assume the reason is to prevent an arithmetic overflow. The cheapest way (in terms of both db performance and implementation effort) of performing a reset is zeroing out all the scores and simply carrying on the calculation without touching C or scaling back the round time (both of which would be the same). This would obviously not maintain the same characteristics, especially, if the round ends very close to the reset. What I have written is 'scaling down' rather then resetting existing scores, I hope the difference is clear - to maintain the proportions of the scores while also getting rid of digits. Again, I am drawing conclusions based on observations since I could not find info about how resets are performed - the conclusions might therefore be right or wrong, and I try to be correct/careful about the wording as well. Does anyone know more details of how exactly the scores are currently reset? Cheers, T
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I am happy with the score based calculation as well, re-introducing PPS would not be a good idea. Supporting multiple payout plans would just add unnecessary complexity and demand a lot of effort. Having said this, I do have some thoughts on the periodic resets: - I could not find the periodic reset documented at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg50002#msg50002 which is the "official description" of how rewards are calculated AFAIK.
- Theoretically, the exponential nature of the scoring algorithm without the resets would do a great job against hopping.
- In practice, for long running rounds, the scores might get very large, causing an arithmetic overflow. Maybe this is the only reason for the resets, but I am just guessing. If so, a mathematically correct fade out instead of the reset might be a viable option.
I might be missing something, so just correct me in case... Cheers, T The resets make no difference to the score. Your proportion is still the same. The only difference the resets make is that they mean Slush doesn't have to deal with numbers with 100 digits. Well, they do make a difference, as it had been pointed out before. My initial thought was to perform the following instead of the reset: 1) Divide by a big number & round everyones score to maintain the proportions but get rid of a lot of digits. 2) Adjust the constant C (currently always 300) according to the big number used for the division - logarithmic. (so at the end, the algorithm maintains the same curve, scaled down) I do not want to raise a flame war, and note that I was not complaining either - but am open to any discussion on the maths behind this. Cheers, T
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I am happy with the score based calculation as well, re-introducing PPS would not be a good idea. Supporting multiple payout plans would just add unnecessary complexity and demand a lot of effort. Having said this, I do have some thoughts on the periodic resets: - I could not find the periodic reset documented at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg50002#msg50002 which is the "official description" of how rewards are calculated AFAIK.
- Theoretically, the exponential nature of the scoring algorithm without the resets would do a great job against hopping.
- In practice, for long running rounds, the scores might get very large, causing an arithmetic overflow. Maybe this is the only reason for the resets, but I am just guessing. If so, a mathematically correct fade out instead of the reset might be a viable option.
I might be missing something, so just correct me in case... Cheers, T
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Thanks Slush for taking action on the weird block.
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Block 17605 me also
But my other question is that before the ddos and now i seem to have a reward of 30% less. My cards are the same and my hash rate has gone up by 2%.
joolz
# Block trouvé le Durée Total de shares Your shares Votre récompense en BTC Block # Block value Validité 17606 2013-04-21 17:36:44 0:30:55 4169985 453 0.00258628 232453 25.30960000 82 confirmations restantes 17605 2013-04-21 17:05:49 3:17:57 26808706 3062 0.00009756 232447 25.50522181 76 confirmations restantes 17604 2013-04-21 13:47:52 0:33:45 4652074 553 0.00314532 232426 25.27785001 55 confirmations restantes I confirm 17605 has something wrong. 3062/26808706 * 25.50522181 = 0.00291312 (since i did not stop my 3 GPUs) not any more, corrected as i speak joolz I confirm, corrected here as well. Cheers, T
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Do you know for a fact, that scores were reset just immediately before the end of the block?
Yeah, I happened to be watching - I was gutted. K. So what happens to all them nice BTC that are *LOST* joolz joolzg, here are the details of how the score based rewarding works: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg50002#msg50002This is to prevent pool hopping / protect "honest miners". Additionally, the scores are reset periodically, as Kruncha said - this reset has bitten us right now based on his observations. Cheers, T
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Several of us are wondering about why the payouts on block 17605 went down so low. Many of us are down 25x. :/
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Yes, that seems really strange to me as well. It might just be the side effect of the scoring algorithm, but this one block seems so much out of normal there might some other reason. In my case, the reward from block is 3% of my earning from the previous block, although all 3 of my miners were constantly hashing. Seems I am not the only one wondering... Does anybody have any idea/theory? Cheers, T The score resets at certain intervals. It reset just before the block was found meaning slower miners would be on a very low score. K. I have read the details of the reward calculation. Even without a periodic reset, the exponential nature of the calculation would be effective against pool hopping, correct? Do you know for a fact, that scores were reset just immediately before the end of the block? My fastest miner is around 800MHash/s, I know there are beefier rigs out there but 3% is really out of normal, isn't it? Cheers, T
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Several of us are wondering about why the payouts on block 17605 went down so low. Many of us are down 25x. :/
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Yes, that seems really strange to me as well. It might just be the side effect of the scoring algorithm, but this one block seems so much out of normal there might some other reason. In my case, the reward from block is 3% of my earning from the previous block, although all 3 of my miners were constantly hashing. Seems I am not the only one wondering... Does anybody have any idea/theory? Cheers, T
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Strange enough, but you can also get restricted again... I guess someone might have deleted a topic I responded , causing my # of posts to drop from 6 to 4 yesterday. Anyone else had similar experience? This should not happen IMHO.
Cheers, T
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It only takes 5 posts and 4 hours to get to "the next level".
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Before investing in hardware, let this site do the maths for you: https://bitclockers.com/calcOn the page, make sure you modify the Difficulty change from monthly 2% to something more realistic. Currently it is around 15% each other week. For your reference: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/Hope this helps, T
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