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Looks like they are not deleting post now since they went poof. Glad I was able to get out when they started acting funky.
Anyone check out payprocoin? I think they are the same boat..maybe even same team.
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A question: the add NXT-B5T3-ZTUQ-NWGM-BL3B8 buy and sell ORA stake on the AE all the time(at very close price).Is he manipulating the market or something?I wish he is not in the ORA team...
Sorry my mistake , he just keep buying
There are many "ora millionaires" that keeps buying all the time as far as i know. And i am not sure about market price manipulation, we are not into that if you would notice. What is ora millionaires? A fake one?has nothing to do with ORA plan? ORAMillion the asset is a club of ORA millionaires. Not meant to be sold or bought. You get one for free if you have 1 mil ora. Will be more details in the future once the 775million left to distribute is a bit more dispersed. This club is not related in any way to the devs of this coin. Will be giving all ORA Millionares a present for Kwanza this year. |
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are we all working together now for then next pro pump and dump scam.... to many people got hurt with this coin only 1 month ago... and I have not seen anything to change my mind... buyers beware
You don't know what you're talking about... first of all the PRO team has been extended with some marketing people and a extra dev that will add some nice innovation to the coin. What happened in the past, is the past. PRO coin from 1 month ago is totally different then PRO coin today. But you don't have to join the party. People at Ethancoin didn't wait for the party too, and i'm pretty sure that a few of them are not sleeping well anymore after they sold a few millions to me at 3 sats. So don't buy PRO, sell it all to me, and we will talk in a few weeks  Sounds good, we have a strong team and community All power to us wondering that 1BTC sell order at 60 is that just to keep the coin price down and then pump it like crazy (same happened with Ethan, btw) or is it just someone that want to sell? Sorry that was me. ;-) Came to my conclusion on this one with risk vs reward. |
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ha ha ha Paypro is One of the biggest scaming in Crypto's world. How can you recommend any garbage for entering the SuperNET.   this is SuperNET , this isn't SuperSitNET. I don't just think PayPro is just a normal crypto scam. Look at the amount of personal information they are asking for the PayPro debit card. https://www.payprocoin.com/visa/apply.phpAll they need to do now is ask for credit card payments for shipping the card and they will have fullz on everyone that applies. Exactly, they will combine the provided details by the unsuspecting buyer with their payment details. If the buyer pays with credit card or PayPal he will get scammed bigtime. Yup..you have a valid point. Took me a bit to catch up on their thread, this is why I have been ignoring the alt space of late. Best I go back to lurking. Thanks for the insight. I apologize for taking us off-topic. |
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Just my humble opinion....
Took a peek at the visa fees..you might want to get those a bit lower. Even if you are absorbing the cost of the initial 100 bucks to get it, the monthly maintenance fee is shit. Do you have any justification for that specific vendor?
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@dev
##payprocoin Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
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Has there been any discussion on adding this coin to the SuperNetwork with teleport?
There was a suggestion about a week ago. Any chance of a link and a brief description / benefits PRO? Darren Here is the main thread for it. Key benefit once it is done is an lib that you can add to your coin that gives you all the features of the other coins in the SuperNet. Think of a network between block-chains. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762346.0I am almost caught up in this thread, I seem to have missed most of the fud. :-) Looking at the visa card to see if it is worth it. I am guessing you are still seeing a lot of folks dumping to try to recover the cost of mining gear. Not sure how I feel about this coin. Seems to have some good aspects, jaded history in past. Now it seems to be active this week. So hard to 'spot the scam' these days. I miss the old days. :-) GL |
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Has there been any discussion on adding this coin to the SuperNetwork with teleport?
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re the bbr price since there are a few people here interested in it. From looking at the downward sales pressure here: https://bittrex.com/Market/?MarketName=BTC-BBRThere is a miner that is mining with autopay to the exchange and sell. They are selling the coins on the exchange on the sell side as soon as they mine them ~14-19 every 2 min or so. With 11k bbr per day is being mined into the market. So if you think it is a good coin, just pull your buy orders and let the dumpers dump. If we put at floor at a nice low spot or so they should just feed it without thinking. :-)~ Just my 2 cents. In order to sell that much, a miner would need to control almost 100% of the network hash. There is a new block about every 2 minutes and the current reward is a little over 16. More likely just someone trying to sell. Sorry my English failed me. I mean that 11k BBR are mined at the current reward every 24 hours. Not that this specific miner was mining/dumping 11k. Course no sail since 08/29/2014 01:15:24 PM SELL 0.00040104 15.13000000 0.00606773 But still 0.006 btc per block for a mining farm is a nice profit. |
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re the bbr price since there are a few people here interested in it. From looking at the downward sales pressure here: https://bittrex.com/Market/?MarketName=BTC-BBRThere is a miner that is mining with autopay to the exchange and sell. They are selling the coins on the exchange on the sell side as soon as they mine them ~14-19 every 2 min or so. With 11k bbr per day is being mined into the market. So if you think it is a good coin, just pull your buy orders and let the dumpers dump. If we put at floor at a nice low spot or so they should just feed it without thinking. :-)~ Just my 2 cents. |
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OraMillion.
If you are an Ora millionaire and have not received your OraMillion membership, please let me know.
Disclaimer: OraMillion is not affiliated with the ORA team or anything else. Just a group of large bag holders that will offer exclusive membership benefits to members.
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As amusing as the last 5 pages were...can we get some actual updates for all of us new folks that james brought over.
I have been ignoring most of the alts since there were so many scams and I did not have the effort to do due diligence.
What needs to be done with this coin, I have a little bit of free time. Are you more inclined to contribute BBR code or build projects on top of it? Besides large transaction auto-splitting we could use dice/poker, options (even binary would be a nice start), and a payment gateway of the form suggested here: Often this will not be visible in XMR because transactions are vastly more private, so proxy methods must be used to estimate their scale. I would very much like a payment gateway which enables me to transparently use XMR, to send to a BTC address, and to receive BTC in the form of XMR. It's a relatively simply thing to implement, and makes it more practical to save primarily in XMR. I am reviewing the source atm. |
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As amusing as the last 5 pages were...can we get some actual updates for all of us new folks that james brought over.
I have been ignoring most of the alts since there were so many scams and I did not have the effort to do due diligence.
What needs to be done with this coin, I have a little bit of free time.
We need pirate suits, first off. Then we need cables to connect the telepods. Then the mirrors in James' house all need cleaning. Already have the pirate suit :-)~ cables is a good analogy to the telepods as it is a closed network..imagine running cables to anon servers around the world and having your own distribution channel. But on a serious note...cause I am always serious.... Free beer on me to someone that post an honest answer to what needs to be done. On a programming front, there's one feature XMR implemented that I think BBR should consider copying: Auto-splitting of too-large transactions in the wallet. It's slightly tricky, and I haven't looked at how XMR did it, but it's a nice convenience feature for users and will reduce the number of posts about "why did I get a transaction too large?" error. Another one is looking at the wallet API from the perspective of someone trying to run a service (e.g., a store, or accepting payments in BBR, etc.) and thinking about what needs to be added. Some form of list_transactions function would be very useful. beer money sent. |
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As amusing as the last 5 pages were...can we get some actual updates for all of us new folks that james brought over.
I have been ignoring most of the alts since there were so many scams and I did not have the effort to do due diligence.
What needs to be done with this coin, I have a little bit of free time.
We need pirate suits, first off. Then we need cables to connect the telepods. Then the mirrors in James' house all need cleaning. Already have the pirate suit :-)~ cables is a good analogy to the telepods as it is a closed network..imagine running cables to anon servers around the world and having your own distribution channel. But on a serious note...cause I am always serious.... Free beer on me to someone that post an honest answer to what needs to be done. |
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As amusing as the last 5 pages were...can we get some actual updates for all of us new folks that james brought over.
I have been ignoring most of the alts since there were so many scams and I did not have the effort to do due diligence.
What needs to be done with this coin, I have a little bit of free time.
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re: paper for teleport
Read the paper and afaik I understand most of it. Please correct my mistakes.
An issue I see with the teleport and pods is that it relies on a few folks stepping up and being the front man if someone wants to cash out. So maybe if a few good money launders get into the business I can see this as a useful way to cash out to fiat.
If someone isn't interested to cash out and the anon card takes off, that changes things for the better, but the anon card still needs a front man.
Have you contacted the various mobs yet? I hear they like the profit margin of this type.
This is pretty much a tor network mixer using encrypted messages that is automated and built into the coin with incentive for random folks to run the teleport servers to keep the anon as high as possible. More servers better mixer. Keeping it all off tor using onion routing in a private network helps. I would suggest having the port change a bit as to keep the network fingerprinting down.
Am I missing anything?
cashout can also be handled by the telepod creator, which makes a closed loop. I am also working on automated tradebots to deal with some of the more dangerous parts, but not all these details are finished as the important part is the main network and I know there are several solutions for the entry/exit By using other anon coins to feed into the system, it allows for much more private seeding of the initial telepods and once we get multiple other anon coins combined with some realtime trading of them, the attacker wouldnt even know which coin network the telepod value ended up. I dont think there is much network fingerprinting possible due to the M of N fragmenting of each telepod. Using M of 40% of N (can be up to 254) and 85% probability to route, then for 4 hops you still end up with half the fragments getting to the destination, which is plenty to reconstruct. So I am envisioning some sort of constant white noise of the M of N fragments and since it is all encrypted not really a way to tell if it is a telepod being originated or rerouted or even if it is the destination since 15% of the destinations dont reroute! Was it the destination or was it the 15% random discard? I am also not sure if you realize that the receiver is the one that controls the timing of the blockchain event and that this is randomly delayed by up to a max delay specified by each user. So not possible to even know what set of cloning events are actually part of the anon set when trying to correlate it with the sender. The sending anon set is potentially much bigger due to the possibility of aging telepods for a long time and even a minimal amount of trusted teleports (no cloning) will allow a telepod to end up anywhere. So the anon set for the sender is close to all the cloning events since the telepod was cloned but of course this is only being correlated to a guess as to the potential receivers. With there being only txout/txin without any history other than all the clonings that just go back to telepod creator, the timing analysis is the best chance for correlations, but with each telepod resembling more a quantum wave function than a discrete particle, I think this is quite difficult I try to make big headache for attacker. How did I do? You are first to make such a good analysis, on a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate this? James Thank you for the info. Personally I give it a 7 or 8 since it simplifies the current method of, send alt/btc to random small exchange that won't be in business next week, pray they don't steal your funds, transfer to new wallet. I like that it is a closed system, I think there will be a good market for selling telepods of various standard denoms as this will add a nice anon level. As for fingerprinting, I was meaning more the fact that someone is running a teleport server on their isp. Guess you could route all traffic as https or wrap it so it looks live video traffic so it meets average traffic appearance. One of the things to consider. You have a neighborhood of 100,000 people all using the internet to go on facebook, youtube, skype and watch streaming movies. This is 99.9% of traffic and makes a nice graph if it is being monitored. The 4 people that are using tor, irc, ssh etc all stand out like a giant blip on the chart. So those people get the attention focused on them a bit more...hey..why is bob using tor...he must be a bad guy, so LE might say we should look at his life a little closer and see if we can charge him on one of the 100 laws he doesn't know he is breaking. Or in a fun world...your isp says..I am sorry your traffic meets certain patterns and we are not willing to subject our shareholders to potential liability. 10 years from now, the only thing you can do online is to go to 'approved' sites. Give me hookers, blow and free information to anything I might want to learn even if it doesn't conform to my socialite neighbors or give me death. So a way to prevent this type of fingerprinting of traffic is to encapsulate the traffic in a nice header from another type. Deep packet inspection is mean. Just my random thoughts on this. |
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re: paper for teleport
Read the paper and afaik I understand most of it. Please correct my mistakes.
An issue I see with the teleport and pods is that it relies on a few folks stepping up and being the front man if someone wants to cash out. So maybe if a few good money launders get into the business I can see this as a useful way to cash out to fiat.
If someone isn't interested to cash out and the anon card takes off, that changes things for the better, but the anon card still needs a front man.
Have you contacted the various mobs yet? I hear they like the profit margin of this type.
This is pretty much a tor network mixer using encrypted messages that is automated and built into the coin with incentive for random folks to run the teleport servers to keep the anon as high as possible. More servers better mixer. Keeping it all off tor using onion routing in a private network helps. I would suggest having the port change a bit as to keep the network fingerprinting down.
Am I missing anything?
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This was an enjoyable thread. Gotta love memory lane it has been an interesting year. Didn't see nuggets on the list. :-)~
/summon vlad for rant.
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A bit shocking to me - not much because NXT community is known for not being the brightest one - people opted for not helping Bter. Nothing would change except transaction
which moved coins from Bter to thief account and no one helped with that? Some really dumb people even compared proposal with bank bail-outs, where taxpayer money is used
without even asking for permission from taxpayers to rescue bank which might go bust. So even though people were not asked for any money nor money was taken from them
to bail-out Bter it is all still looked upon as a big no-no. "It is Bter fault, we don't wanna help them to return stolen coins and we don't care those coins are actualy ours and are
now sitting in thief's account ready to inflict massive damage on AE and other areas no one has control over!" - you are a bunch of halflings. "Rollback thing is going to fail" - well,
you will see how bad consequances of "your" stupid decision will be as soon as Bter resumes trading and Cryptsy deposits start working.
You had two choices and you have again "chosen" the worse one. Like a mindless herd, you were following advices of people who are just a bit less clueless than you are but you
are now pretending it was your choice - no, it was not. There was no community decision here. There was decision by badly informed few followed by a mindless herd which
proved you are actualy way worse than goverments, FEDs and others who you seemingly oppose and act upon as you are an improvement. What sort of a fucking improvement
you are when you refused to help - at no extra costs - someone who helped you all massively and instead rewarded someone who screwed both you and entity in question here?
The problem is making a fake public ledger is not in anyones best interest. Nxt passed a big test. It made the hard choice. I know you think it's ok to rewrite history if it looks like a good option. That is not the purpose of the public ledger. The public ledger is there to show what happened in REAL LIFE. If there is not a problem with the code. We stick with the correct code and the CORRECT public ledger. We can not just pick and choose what public ledger suits us best, or it loses all credibility. The Nxt public ledger is the correct one, the real one. The world has been shown that this will most likey continue to be the case, and this is a VERY GOOD THING for Nxt. GREAT JOB GUYS!!This. If we start allowing cryptos to rewrite the chain, what is the point of having anything more then paypal. I get that lots of people lost by storing their coins in a centralized location. I get that this will hurt people. But.... As a holder of a specific cryptocurrency I should know for certain that my funds are safe no matter what. If I kill small children, get a large government after me or even piss on satoshis' grave, I should be certain that my funds are my funds and no consensus of peers is able to take them away. Otherwise what is the point of all this shit we are working on. Our systems are not made to judge, just made to have a fully trustless public ledger that cannot be changed. We are making global, decentralized, De-governmentalized, free from emotion money. If I buy hookers and blow that is my choice, if I buy weapons to bioweapons that is my choice. The blockchain and the coin should have no impact on the fungibility of my coins. If you can not understand this...take your profit and go away. |
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