For some reason this chain stopped updating on my system months ago (no connections and/or the two or three peers found do not transmit updated blocks).  I'm running Ubuntu 18.04 currently.  I'm missing the Flappy/Flapx-experience and would like to remedy this in some manner someday.  That is, I would like to have an excuse to run a full-node again.

While describing a hoped-for scenario, I figure I might as well float a trial balloon about somewhat similar-themed [and amusing] projects that either don't exist (the first example listed) or are wilting on the vine such as: a "GrooCoin" -- based on the Groo the Wanderer character [*sort of* a Conan the Barbarian spoof... but with a world unto itself... I'd suggest "cheese dip" as the unit-of-account (if one is familiar with one of Groo's main motivations, the rationale will be obvious)] -- maybe with some proportion of stakes+mining [20-30% ?? a hybrid coin??]  paid to an address set aside for the creator Sergio Aragones, Dobbscoin, or some of the Blazr2/HagbardCeline coins like 23 Skidoo [CHAO], Cthulhu Offerings [OFF], Flaxscript [FLAX], or Melange [SPICE].  ^_^ (nudge nudge)  [ EDIT: After writing the original draft of this message a couple days ago, I found out that Dobbscoin has been rebooted as a PoS-chain with *wince* masternodes and is being tinkered with some more [albeit implemented with an older version of the Boost libraries. ]

BTW, this is probably another long-term goal, but it would be worthwhile to modernize the openssl for Flapx.   Like many (most?) altcoins, it seems to be reliant/built upon the cryptographic handshaking protocols of older versions than the 1.1.1 long-term support version (see https://www.openssl.org/source/ ).

Finally, it wouldn't hurt to scrutinize Bisq as an exchange option [decentralized exchange running over Tor ... https://bisq.network/vision/  ]  The steps to list an asset seem straightforward  [ https://docs.bisq.network/exchange/howto/list-asset.html ] Some experience with git and looking at how unit-tests are implemented in Java seem to be the only hurdles.

Sorry to be pointing out problems or promoting challenging projects without offering much help **at present** (I've been focusing on other areas of programming not real germane to this -- assembly [Intel, gnu/gas], Lisp, Smalltalk, shell-scripting, Perl, some other stuff... not really C++, autotools, make, version contron [git, mercurial, or other] at the moment).

Hmm... I haven't logged into Yoshit for a couple months.  Is the CROC wallet there still in maintenance?

As mentioned in response to a private-message here (stemming from this thread), a couple months back
I realized to my enormous chagrin that I've locked myself out of my former phone (a Samsung S7 with
a gibberish/secure password that I never suspected I'd forget and thus never wrote down anywhere). *

To deal with that situation, I found this set of sites:
https://givemeanthony.wordpress.com/2015/01/21/android-key-crack/
https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/cracking-android-passwords-a-how-to/
https://samsclass.info/128/128_S15.shtml

... and was working on relearning Java (more than the basic/limited exposure I had to it in university... after C++ and assembly
) -- to that end.   The first link there -- in particular -- had a couple topics regarding signatures, Android's adb framework, and SQLlite.

As a side-benefit to that, increasing proficiency in Java and working through some of the Packt Github stuff will/should facilitate
a decentralized exchange listing:
https://docs.bisq.network/exchange/howto/list-asset.html .

In the more immediate term I've been working on some of the Linux/BSD shell scripting stuff (including awk, sed, and ed
[ https://www.amazon.com/Ed-Mastery-Standard-Unix-Editor/dp/1642350036/ ] for getting my crap together on related stuff.

A lot of those tools were forerunners for scripting languages like Perl and Python (as opposed to system languages like C, Java, Go, or Rust),
but this is sort of where I'm at (because it's what I should be focusing on at the moment).  One of the scripts I'm trying to work on
in my free time is a sort-of rudimentary block explorer that's interacting with the command-line interface of the BTC-derived coins and invoking
the dead-simple awk utility.

BTW has anyone had a look at the information or whitepapers related to Grin/Mimblewimble https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5090427.0 ?
It's a pretty interesting method of not having an enormous blockchain... and one of the few such as byteball that is doing something novel or insightful
enough that it should have its place with core texts such as those listed at https://nakamotoinstitute.org/literature/ .  I'm sort of throwing the idea out
there as there *should* be some sort of way to incorporate something along
that line into a Proof-of-Stake. ... it's something to work and give some thought toward anyhow.

* I tried tens-if-not-hundreds of variations that were all probably pretty close but unsuccessful.
and thus have been locked out of numerous exchanges and Discord -- Yobit among them) <sigh>.
I've already dialogued with some site support to reset my 2-factor authentication on one exchange but am more interested
 in seeing if I can bypass my password instead of trying to brute-force as the phone is only letting me attempt it once an hour.

Apologies for the nested quotes... For security reasons it's probably better to leave the sudo's out of these steps for Linux or Unix-based stuff.   If you unnecessarily escalate to root/admin privilege instead of your regular user account you're hard-wiring the privileges in that directory to admin when only your user-domain should have read/write/execute privileges for the application.  A deeper dive into this it can probably be found here: https://www.tiltedwindmillpress.com/product/sudo-mastery-user-access-control-for-everyone/ .  (This guy writes some pretty interesting and funny tech stuff... somewhat like this link where he makes a pretty good case for OpenBSD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXPV3vJF99k ).

I haven't posted in awhile; I still want to make CROC (or a derivative) a lighter [but probably more built-from-the-ground-up] chain (but am working on precursors and other stuff [shell, networking, assembly, stuff like awk and sed, more prosaic stuff] right now).  I'm definitely very interested in seeing how stuff is done in some other C++ codebases too.   Also picked up a couple of the Packt books on Git which will - in due course - prove useful too .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qtWlvu1YoA&t=3s

Your prediction might not necessarily be the case and I'd recommend some skepticism/suspended-judgement for all.  From a laissez-faire/free market point-of-view, price is nothing objective or more abstract than what people are willing to pay to improve their situation based on their perspective/scale-of-values at a given moment... trading one thing they possess -- such as fiat, Bitcoin, or whatever for another thing (in this instance, a larger share of the CROC-universe).

If Cryptohub is handed-off, there are at least two groups of people involved: 1) those who believe the site was not really hacked but it was only something that was pretended (an exit-scam or some sort of fraud).   On the other hand, there are: 2) those who believe (*** as I do *** ) that the site had an exploited security vulnerability and there may remain a problem with the SSH interfacing with a derivative (Mint??) of Ubuntu 16.  Moreover, there might not be a patch in place when or if the site goes live again.   The latest Ubuntu is 18.04 and 18.10 and maybe the problem is potentially no more... but the price pre-hack and the projected view of a price on an exchange post-hack cannot or should not be the same.  I'm not trying to insinuate in any way that startsts is a "no-good shit" or somesuch.  In the long run I think we should look to have a trading option which also includes a decentralized exchange such as bisq (https://bisq.network/philosophy/) or Cryptobridge (https://wallet.crypto-bridge.org/) -- where the exchange is not a honeypot or target for thieves or subject to heavyhanded statist, rent-seeking KYC/AML...  Decentralized exchanges facilitate people controlling their own wallets instead of unnecessarily delegating responsibility.

I recognize that Gizzard and some others early in this original CROC thread were active in Mozzi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1974294.0 ) and that chain seemed to die or fall to relative life-support because it found no exchange (hence the relief when CROC got listed on two exchanges).  However, in the long run, I think we really want the optionality of having two or three exchanges -- and at least one being a peer-to-peer / decentralized one.

We'll see... start the counter.

For my part, I'm getting heavily into assembly programming because I find it interesting (and it has points of overlap/interplay with Linux/Unix and C/C++).  I had a few courses in college and university using C++ (and it was the first programming language I learned ... but only moderately in-depth at that point -- also learned/used some Java, VHDL, assembly for Motorola processors, and SQL and related stuff on data structures, databases, graphics, search algorithms, number theory, etc  ).  I recognize that higher-level languages like Python, Ruby, and TCL are useful because they make building stuff less of a chore (e.g., websites using frameworks or Ruby on Rails) but I kind of dig the first-principles and rigorous kind of stuff.  Just to indicate context, most bitcoin-derived cryptos are written in C++.


The only one who ever called his-or-herself a developer for CROC was Gizzard and he's MIA.  Others are interested parties only.  I am very interested in CROC but maybe you should consider it to be hibernating.  Croc's have a fossil-record of being around for last 55 million years; hopefully, you won't need to be so patient. 

It'll take awhile to sync (more than a day if you're starting from scratch) but nodes/ports that have been active today include:

68.225.203.78:39437
78.107.6.152:39437
96.48.161.18:39437
99.245.242.241:39437
109.194.51.160:39437
144.217.116.50:39437
162.211.173.18:39437
187.74.243.56:39437
188.24.205.161:39437

If you look back at the start of this thread, CROC had use cases and interest before it was being used to list coins at Cryptohub.  I understand (looking at your brief message history) that you're part of the crowd with pitchforks after startsts.  Perhaps CROC has rejoined the alts that seem to be vaporware and futureless; nevertheless, it's still being mined and staked and remains trading at Yobit.   I am looking at working on stuff pertaining to this chain and I could care less if you dismiss it or try to paint it with a big, fat broad brush as solely a vehicle for Cryptohub or startsts.

I'm not an "original holder" ... having began mining Solaris at Cryptohub in approximately August or September and subsequently becoming interested in CROC after it was airdropped (roughly sometime in September -- my records are behind but I'm trying to catch up).  I actually missed the DPOS-phase but I guess I am an early holder (and have benefited from "basking") nevertheless -- as can be seen from my own comments throughout CROC's two threads.

This is somewhat off-topic but I found one aspect of the pillorying of Support/startsts in the thread linked here ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2371412.140 ) -- which you also doggypiled onto -- to be sort of a straw man or ad hominem, and/or hardly relevant.  Specifically, if he drinks JD or not it's totally his right to be a teetotaler, a casual-drinker, or a complete lush -- the choice, quantity, and consequences are largely his alone and not necc. anyone else's business.  The exchange was a one man show, and as some have pointed out, it did seem to take a lot of work to get it to where it was.  Consider how frequently even large companies with dedicated security teams also get hacked or miss a stitch somewhere..  Some of what I see is perhaps communication problems between the parties involved in the arguments as well as people's pride, emotions, and personas leading to the situations we've become caught up in with the exchange and the fallout.

Heh, not dumping.  What's your agenda exactly?

Reposting this here (just posted in the other thread):

It's unfortunate that Cryptohub is closing; it offered a unique interface incorporating mining/exchange/pooled-staking and many other features.

Obviously the closure does alter the landscape for CROC (although Croc-cash still has an exchange available with Yobit).  However, I still like the overall specs of this coin (annual percentage stake, current coin supply, network hash rate) as noted in previous messages... even if CROC sometimes seems like the losing combatant in this (scene from the 60s movie _Cool Hand Luke_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trDsXlDJIbM ).

From Cryptohub's closure message I was personally affected in the thefts as I was starting to build an ETH balance to participate in Seasteading's partner-blockchain (Varyon  
    https://www.blue-frontiers.com/en/ ,
    https://medium.com/@bluefrontiers/varyon-buying-staking-referenda-for-seasteads-seazones-97c47e197fff
    https://www.seasteading.org/ ) and that small-but-intended-to-grow ETH balance seems to be gone and I was probably affected/pilfered-from/raided in a couple other mainstream coins.

The parasitical, scum-of-the-earth who make (or supplement) a living through theft/stealing-OPP are the enemies of civilization/civil-society and I wish more people worldwide would grok some of the arguments of these two books:
    https://www.amazon.com/Ethics-Liberty-Murray-N-Rothbard/dp/0814775594/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1537640957&sr=8-1&keywords=ethics+of+liberty ,
    https://mises.org/library/rise-and-fall-society -- nearly everyone would be better off.

The hack also seems to have taken out the only evident active mining pool.  It's too bad many mining pool operators seem to be so fickle... I had mined at one a week or so back, stopped mining when my spreadsheet showed it became profitable to rent a miner vs the support-bid price, later found the pool wasn't hosting CROC at the point when it became profitable to mine as opposed to purchase again.

Anyhow, both getting some mining pools and a block explorer existing again would seem to be the things needed most at this juncture.  I do have some pretty severe time-demands but hope to move or see stuff in that direction eventually.

Also, as a further status quo/state-of-things aside I saw a link to the following "All the World's Money" infographic (I remember the original one from 2015 ... it was actually one of things that got me to consider crypto back then):
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-how-much-money-exists-in-the-entire-world-in-one-chart-2015-12-18
    http://money.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-money-markets-one-visualization-2017/

While that chart is dated to October 2017 (before the December-January mania), it's obvious there's room for greater participation of digital currencies in general.

It's unfortunate that Cryptohub is closing; it offered a unique interface incorporating mining/exchange/pooled-staking and many other features.

Obviously the closure does alter the landscape for CROC (although Croc-cash still has an exchange available with Yobit).  However, I still like the overall specs of this coin (annual percentage stake, current coin supply, network hash rate) as noted in previous messages... even if CROC sometimes seems like the losing combatant in this (scene from the 60s movie _Cool Hand Luke_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trDsXlDJIbM ).

From Cryptohub's closure message I was personally affected in the thefts as I was starting to build an ETH balance to participate in Seasteading's partner-blockchain (Varyon 
    https://www.blue-frontiers.com/en/ ,
    https://medium.com/@bluefrontiers/varyon-buying-staking-referenda-for-seasteads-seazones-97c47e197fff
    https://www.seasteading.org/ ) and that small-but-intended-to-grow ETH balance seems to be gone and I was probably affected/pilfered-from/raided in a couple other mainstream coins.

The parasitical, scum-of-the-earth who make (or supplement) a living through theft/stealing-OPP are the enemies of civilization/civil-society and I wish more people worldwide would grok some of the arguments of these two books:
    https://www.amazon.com/Ethics-Liberty-Murray-N-Rothbard/dp/0814775594/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1537640957&sr=8-1&keywords=ethics+of+liberty ,
    https://mises.org/library/rise-and-fall-society -- nearly everyone would be better off.

The hack also seems to have taken out the only evident active mining pool.  It's too bad many mining pool operators seem to be so fickle... I had mined at one a week or so back, stopped mining when my spreadsheet showed it became profitable to rent a miner vs the support-bid price, later found the pool wasn't hosting CROC at the point when it became profitable to mine as opposed to purchase again.

Anyhow, both getting some mining pools and a block explorer existing again would seem to be the things needed most at this juncture.  I do have some pretty severe time-demands but hope to move or see stuff in that direction eventually.

Also, as a further status quo/state-of-things aside I saw a link to the following "All the World's Money" infographic (I remember the original one from 2015 ... it was actually one of things that got me to consider crypto back then):
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-how-much-money-exists-in-the-entire-world-in-one-chart-2015-12-18
    http://money.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-money-markets-one-visualization-2017/

While that chart is dated to October 2017 (before the December-January mania), it's obvious there's room for greater participation of digital currencies in general.

That's awesome; it's very cool to see that CROC's got a Discord group set up.   I'm working out of town at the moment (in Atlanta Georgia for a recertification/training)... didn't bring my Discord pwd along.  Stilll, my excitement level is pretty much similar to seven seconds into the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AocUTnpLO2E .   

How is Honey "mining too slow"?  That was quite vague... do you mean:

1) The hash rate is too low and it should higher (in other words, among the chains that people might decide to mine they should focus on Honey)?

1b) You're concerned about a 50% attack because the hash rate is too low.

or

2) The block times are too infrequent?

or

3) It takes too long for you to personally mine blocks because of the pesky stakers and the other people mining Honey?

I'm presuming you meant the first situation.  If so, this would seem to be to your benefit as you can mine or rent hash and get the lion's share of the honey that can be mined.

Moreover, and importantly (IMO), because the reward is usually 2 for the staker and 1 for the miner/pool there's an assymetric reward structure that benefits the staker over the miner.   An argument for this characteristic is that a staker is more likely to hold their coins (if they're being smart they'll only sell their stakes and leave the principal alone) whereas the miner is more likely to sell his or her's to recoup energy costs.

I'm actually looking forward to block 500,000 when this chain becomes PoS only.   One of the things I like about this chain is there's not a lot of coins (678,394 only as I write this).  The inflation from mined coins as it has been is just fine in my opinion.

@ KingN

Thank you for the explanation and the assertion that you and your team are trying to keep the chain functioning through distributed staking.  As a positive, I do notice that several (3 to 5) nodes connect quite quickly when syncing the wallet.  I also recognize the situation where one doesn't stake for a few days and how that can significantly increase the network stake-weight once connected to the network again.

By the way, which PoS version does WOKE use (haven't really poked around at the code)?   There's a pretty in-depth article that goes into some of the techicalities here: http://earlz.net/view/2017/07/27/1904/the-missing-explanation-of-proof-of-stake-version (which I'm posting here simply because it is an informative, though technical, article).

CROC has no masternodes.  You're welcome to set up a node/wallet, but the mining reward and the staking are distinct (mining is 1-CROC-per-block reward, while the staking reward fluctuates in value -- sometimes more than 1 per block but usually somewhat under).

Hmm...  apparently Gizzard's site was only hosted for a year.  Anyway, hyperjacked has the domain name croccash.com though and has sent along the login info for the site (so that's kind of waiting in the wings to be realized in some form or another ... we don't want to rush into these things  ).

Made a few updates to the coinwiki entry (updated pools and the sites posted here in the last few days) -- https://altcoinwiki.org/en/CrocodileCash .  Regards to those involved for including CROC in your sites.  

Whoever is the whale [my guess is it can only be the dev] that likes to drastically manipulate or throttle up the inflation periodically should really lay off (or at least moderate / use the "reserve balance" when) staking their hoard.

Over the course of the past month, I've seen two occasions when the net-stake-weight jumps from the usual 1000 to 2000 or so to as high as 60 or 70-thousand -- he or she seems to have been at it again today.

Specifically, it can be seen in those wretched orange spikes at the block explorer's inflation chart: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/woke/#@inflation .   For instance, from this chart's timestamp of 7:26:12 today the coin supply was 103,774 WOKE and then at 17:51:12 it was 103,885 ... that is, 111 new WOKE were generated in 10.5 hours time.  When he or she isn't putting the pedal to the floor on the WOKE machine it has been otherwise increasing the WOKE-supply by approximately two per day.  Presumably the whale/dev can do this at the slightest whim and every other holder of the chain is subject to... for example... 462% inflation at the peak today (obviously this is a disincentive to everyone but the whale/dev -- unless he then turns and dumps the new largesse on the market to distribute it [artificially goosing the volume and generating income for the whale/dev but further diminishing the scarcity which would be a positive feature]).

One of the things this chain has going for it is it's presumably like a staking Unobtanium; that is, a low-numbered coin  However, WOKE theoretically will not find its footing and generate any kind of sustainable trading volume if is perceptible as only a cash-cow for the dev.  I recognize that he was probably concerned because there was the low trade-volume warning at the exchange... or maybe he needed some spare cash or something but there's also the potential for exit-scam risk or the dev dreaming of a lambo and taking it out on all other holders through massive inflation (Zimbabwe, Weimar-republic or Venezuela-style].  

Just for comparison and for the dev to see the holder's perspective: typically, a few hundred WOKE can earn one between roughly 0.15 and 0.25 WOKE per day when the net-stake-weight is roughly 2000 (and basically nothing when the weight is off the charts).  The only recourse the holder has is to dump or not push the price up (because of the manipulation-via-inflation risk).

Hey,

So yesterday was CROC's birthday -- the reptile is just over one-year old.

For whatever reason I was reflecting on the _Watchmen_ comic series a few hours ago (and I'm about to characterize CROC as the Rorschach of crypto
[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorschach_(comics) ]) ... it's maybe not pretty or glamorous, it's underground, somewhat gritty but has its underdog strong points and utility.

Without trying to [over-]spin things or "sell the sizzle instead of the steak", I'm going to rehash things and why I think this chain has a promising future...

The pros for CROC (in my view) include the following:

* The mining hash rate is usually a steady net hash around 230 TH/s (fluctuating between [roughly] 150 and 350 TH/s).  From this, my assertion is that the barrier to entry for miners is somewhat high for the SHA-256 algorithm (it costs tangible hash or rental cost to mine new CROC).  This is somewhat a scarcity argument. In my view, miners should stake what they earn, but it's for them to decide what is best for their situation ultimately.

* The inflation-rate of 12% is somewhat high but not such that the two markets are inundated with coins generated through staking.

* CROC's currently trading on both Cryptohub and Yobit (which allows for the potential of arbitrage between the two exchanges).

* The daily market volume on Cryptohub seems to be about 0.04 - 0.07 BTC [with spikes as high as 1.15 and 0.43] and on Yobit the daily volume seems to average between 0.01 and 0.02 BTC.  Thus, if anyone builds a position and is smart enough to *just* sell his or her stakes (w/o touching the principal or taking support orders out entirely) this will/should generate a reliable income ... particularly in the medium to long term [as people figure out the over-inflating chains won't always have enough buyers to support an ever-growing supply... particularly as there are many similar alternatives].
 
* The current supply is in the small-to-medium range --  (several years from now it'll reach 55 million -- but it's not very close to that at this point).

* Of those being offered for sale at prices higher than the current market price only 8.6% of the supply is available for sale (45,000 available for sale on Yobit and 252,000 on Cryptohub =  297,000 total [the CROC-universe as I write is 3,446,335].

* CROCcash still has its penny-stock aspects (the comparative cost of gaining a sizable proportion of... say... the stakes of Cardano is significant).

* I have probably left out other positives but I want to send this message off today ^_^ .

The negatives include:

* the chain isn't being worked on (right now -- maybe in the future once some proof-of-concept stuff has been adequately developed in related chains).

* the RAM and CPU use of the chain is sizable (part of which is attributable to the 30 second-block time, part to the relatively large size of the blocks themselves, and probably part because the codebase could use some refining or updating).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Finally, for overall backdrop themes...

My view of many crypto-charts (of course there are counter-examples to be found) is that most still are in a downtrend or trading sideways (despite the recent couple weeks).  Look for instance at  https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/monero/ or https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dash/ .

Staking chains at least provide an income source (comparable to dividend-paying stocks or bonds) ... but allowing people to opt out of the paradigm [somewhat] of corporations being treated like de facto persons legally in most countries worldwide (which presents ethical problems as they can lobby to change laws internationally in their favor... producing a corrupt corporatocratic mileu ... as opposed to an environment favoring the agency of actual thinking/acting/living persons).

One should, arguably, be in crypto for reasons beyond a potential-lambo (or even building/supporting-the-building Seasteads/future micro-nations ^_^, fiscal and political sovereignty without just the trappings, whitewashing, and make-believe, and selective/politicized support for democracy/free-speech/free-press/free-assembly).

Meanwhile, interest rates are slowly being pushed up worldwide as central bankers primary tool is monetary policy (which should make debt loads more difficult for people to handle that are playing too much with that particular fire).  My view is that fractional-reserve banking / finance-by-credit is one of the chief components of the boom-bust cycle.

I was watching something on the BBC earlier today about the Turkish Lira falling dramatically today because the POTUS-monkey was looking to do trade sanctions on Turkey because he's in some 1970's era trade-war headspace/fever so the political risk of fiat currencies as the various politicians squabble over their fiefdoms and interest-groups is relevant to people worldwide.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is just ancillary/unrelated stuff following...  mostly sharing some [obscure] theme music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUEQRaw85DA // sort of neo-hippie stuff from Seattle (some album from 1994)

a little more abrasive/anarchist/Hakim-Bey-influenced stuff (also from Seattle):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulDJzfn5BiI&list=RDEM2Pm-A0jo6BoVQ643Rn9CPA&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyOkHrD_XvA

Significantly more abrasive (New York stuff from about 1996 e.v. [Bill Laswell, Bootsy Collins, Yamatsuka Eye, Mitch Harris, Buckethead, and others] : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tG9sGHx6ug

The Swedish group Entombed's "Hollowman" album (not really suitable for everyone's taste... it is what it is : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFCxH_EdbKU&list=PL6_qhP3eWX5PzB-iDAJKnzzssemtQoisa )

Lastly, I am trying to expand my coding background and related skillsets to do some work which will ultimately benefit this chain (not looking to detract from this anyhow)... eventually there might/will be a spin-off coin in the bitcoin-cash manner relative to BTC (I have some ideas in mind and things I'm looking at doing in the little free-time that I have available).  Anyhow this shouldn't be seen as the primary motivation for anyone but just some potential icing for the cake.

Hey,

So yesterday was CROC's birthday -- the reptile is one-year old as of today yesterday.

For whatever reason I was reflecting on the _Watchmen_ comic series a few hours ago (and I'm about to characterize CROC as the Rorschach of crypto
[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorschach_(comics) ]) ... it's maybe not pretty or glamorous, it's underground, somewhat gritty but has its underdog strong points and utility.

Without trying to [over-]spin things or "sell the sizzle instead of the steak", I'm going to rehash things and why I think this chain has a promising future...

The pros for CROC (in my view) include the following:

* The mining hash rate is usually a steady net hash around 230 TH/s (fluctuating between [roughly] 150 and 350 TH/s).  From this, my assertion is that the barrier to entry for miners is somewhat high for the SHA-256 algorithm (it costs tangible hash or rental cost to mine new CROC).  This is somewhat a scarcity argument. In my view, miners should stake what they earn, but it's for them to decide what is best for their situation ultimately.

* The inflation-rate of 12% is somewhat high but not such that the two markets are inundated with coins generated through staking.

* CROC's currently trading on both Cryptohub and Yobit (which allows for the potential of arbitrage between the two exchanges).

* The daily market volume on Cryptohub seems to be about 0.04 - 0.07 BTC [with spikes as high as 1.15 and 0.43] and on Yobit the daily volume seems to average between 0.01 and 0.02 BTC.  Thus, if anyone builds a position and is smart enough to *just* sell his or her stakes (w/o touching the principal or taking support orders out entirely) this will/should generate a reliable income ... particularly in the medium to long term [as people figure out the over-inflating chains won't always have enough buyers to support an ever-growing supply... particularly as there are many similar alternatives].
 
* The current supply is in the small-to-medium range --  (several years from now it'll reach 55 million -- but it's not very close to that at this point).

* Of those being offered for sale at prices higher than the current market price only 8.6% of the supply is available for sale (45,000 available for sale on Yobit and 252,000 on Cryptohub =  297,000 total [the CROC-universe as I write is 3,446,335].

* CROCcash still has its penny-stock aspects (the comparative cost of gaining a sizable proportion of... say... the stakes of Cardano is significant).  

* I have probably left out other positives but I want to send this message off today ^_^ .

The negatives include:

* the chain isn't being worked on (right now -- maybe in the future once some proof-of-concept stuff has been adequately developed in related chains).

* the RAM and CPU use of the chain is sizable (part of which is attributable to the 30 second-block time, part to the relatively large size of the blocks themselves, and probably part because the codebase could use some refining or updating).

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Finally, for overall backdrop themes...

My view of many crypto-charts (of course there are counter-examples to be found) is that most still are in a downtrend or trading sideways (despite the recent couple weeks).  Look for instance at  https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/monero/ or https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dash/ .

Staking chains at least provide an income source (comparable to dividend-paying stocks or bonds) ... but allowing people to opt out of the paradigm [somewhat] of corporations being treated like de facto persons legally in most countries worldwide (which presents ethical problems as they can lobby to change laws internationally in their favor... producing a corrupt corporatocratic mileu ... as opposed to an environment favoring the agency of actual thinking/acting/living persons).  

One should, arguably, be in crypto for reasons beyond a potential-lambo (or even building/supporting-the-building Seasteads/future micro-nations ^_^, fiscal and political sovereignty without just the trappings, whitewashing, and make-believe, and selective/politicized support for democracy/free-speech/free-press/free-assembly).

Meanwhile, interest rates are slowly being pushed up worldwide as central bankers primary tool is monetary policy (which should make debt loads more difficult for people to handle that are playing too much with that particular fire).  My view is that fractional-reserve banking / finance-by-credit is one of the chief components of the boom-bust cycle.

I was watching something on the BBC earlier today about the Turkish Lira falling dramatically today because the POTUS-monkey was looking to do trade sanctions on Turkey because he's in some 1970's era trade-war headspace/fever so the political risk of fiat currencies as the various politicians squabble over their fiefdoms and interest-groups is relevant to people worldwide.

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This is just ancillary/unrelated stuff following...  mostly sharing some [obscure] theme music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUEQRaw85DA // sort of neo-hippie stuff from Seattle (some album from 1994)

a little more abrasive/anarchist/Hakim-Bey-influenced stuff (also from Seattle):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulDJzfn5BiI&list=RDEM2Pm-A0jo6BoVQ643Rn9CPA&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyOkHrD_XvA

Significantly more abrasive (New York stuff from about 1996 e.v. [Bill Laswell, Bootsy Collins, Yamatsuka Eye, Mitch Harris, Buckethead, and others] : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tG9sGHx6ug

The Swedish group Entombed's "Hollowman" album (not really suitable for everyone's taste... it is what it is : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFCxH_EdbKU&list=PL6_qhP3eWX5PzB-iDAJKnzzssemtQoisa )

Lastly, I am trying to expand my coding background and related skillsets to do some work which will ultimately benefit this chain (not looking to detract from this anyhow)... eventually there might/will be a spin-off coin in the bitcoin-cash manner relative to BTC (I have some ideas in mind and things I'm looking at doing in the little free-time that I have available).  Anyhow this shouldn't be seen as the primary motivation for anyone but just some potential icing for the cake.

I'm pretty sure there is no Telegram or Discord active for CROC.  Someone in the original thread was asking about this a few day ago also: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2076948.msg41521666#msg41521666 .

CROC is in its community's hands.  Obviously there's interest in a Discord or Telegram (there is a Slack and a couple websites behind-the-scenes too); anyone is free to set up one of these platforms and help build out the ecosystem.

I'll be responding to your private message in a moment.

BTW it's good to see some support in Africa.